DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT - 6
Doubt any of those will happen..for a start you need to employ ATC amongst others..what comes first? Does PEEL employ more airport staff first or wait for the contracts to roll in?
Wonder what kind of employer PEEL is and what the locals really think!!
It's obviously being run on a shoestring..unfortunately,understandably?
To coin a couple of well worn phrases,
Speculate to accumulate and build it,they will come!!
Wonder what kind of employer PEEL is and what the locals really think!!
It's obviously being run on a shoestring..unfortunately,understandably?
To coin a couple of well worn phrases,
Speculate to accumulate and build it,they will come!!
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Hardly a spotters dream... One 737 supporting a market that is there, but is leaking onto the exact same 737's out of LBA and NCL.
MME's immediate catchment is not far short of a million, and the airport has previously supported flights to almost all of the destinations I've mentioned, as well as more city routes.
Over your standard summer season, March-October, about 30 weeks. 148 seats on a 737 300, x2 flights a day.
Daily: 592 seats
Weekly: 4,144 seats
Seasonally: 124,320 seats
Although realistically, schedules wouldn't ramp up properly until May, and would start winding down in September, so realistically you're talking 100,000 or less. This would be huge for MME, it would double passenger numbers, but is by no means undoable, and hopefully would bring in other carriers. Thomson (ALC/PMI/TFS), Balkan (BOJ) and Ryanair (DUB) might want back in if Jet2 taps the demand and makes the operation sustainable.
And I think this can be done with little to no effect on existing operations at MME, NCL or LBA
EDIT: Too much time on my hands, I wanted to try and do this properly to see the numbers stack up
737 300: 148 seats each way = 296 per route
* donates potential year round flights
Alicante*: 26/03-28/10, (x3wk 02/05-26/09)
-- 84 flights - (296*84) = 24,864
Palma: 29/03-28/10, (x3wk 05/05-29/09)
-- 84 flights - (296*84) = 24,864
Malaga*: 26/03-26/10
-- 62 flights - (296*62) = 18,352
Faro: 27/03-23/10 (x2wk 05/05-29/09)
-- 53 flights - (296*53) = 15,688
Tenerife*: 30/03-26/10 (x2wk 01/05-25/09)
-- 53 flights - (296*53) = 15,688
Lanzarote*: 29/03-25/10
-- 31 flights - (296*31) = 9,176
Rhodes: 02/05-26/09
-- 22 flights - (296*22) = 6,512
This rather generous and optimistic schedule would all result in an annual total of 115,144 seats. Based roughly on Jet2's average 90.8% load factor, we could assume an additional 104,551 passengers would pass through MME.
Doing crude calculations, this would mean a 78.98% increase in passenger numbers and up to £313,650 in development fees. All from 1 737...
MME's immediate catchment is not far short of a million, and the airport has previously supported flights to almost all of the destinations I've mentioned, as well as more city routes.
Over your standard summer season, March-October, about 30 weeks. 148 seats on a 737 300, x2 flights a day.
Daily: 592 seats
Weekly: 4,144 seats
Seasonally: 124,320 seats
Although realistically, schedules wouldn't ramp up properly until May, and would start winding down in September, so realistically you're talking 100,000 or less. This would be huge for MME, it would double passenger numbers, but is by no means undoable, and hopefully would bring in other carriers. Thomson (ALC/PMI/TFS), Balkan (BOJ) and Ryanair (DUB) might want back in if Jet2 taps the demand and makes the operation sustainable.
And I think this can be done with little to no effect on existing operations at MME, NCL or LBA
EDIT: Too much time on my hands, I wanted to try and do this properly to see the numbers stack up
737 300: 148 seats each way = 296 per route
* donates potential year round flights
Alicante*: 26/03-28/10, (x3wk 02/05-26/09)
-- 84 flights - (296*84) = 24,864
Palma: 29/03-28/10, (x3wk 05/05-29/09)
-- 84 flights - (296*84) = 24,864
Malaga*: 26/03-26/10
-- 62 flights - (296*62) = 18,352
Faro: 27/03-23/10 (x2wk 05/05-29/09)
-- 53 flights - (296*53) = 15,688
Tenerife*: 30/03-26/10 (x2wk 01/05-25/09)
-- 53 flights - (296*53) = 15,688
Lanzarote*: 29/03-25/10
-- 31 flights - (296*31) = 9,176
Rhodes: 02/05-26/09
-- 22 flights - (296*22) = 6,512
This rather generous and optimistic schedule would all result in an annual total of 115,144 seats. Based roughly on Jet2's average 90.8% load factor, we could assume an additional 104,551 passengers would pass through MME.
Doing crude calculations, this would mean a 78.98% increase in passenger numbers and up to £313,650 in development fees. All from 1 737...
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Re the owners
Re the owners, they are more interested in other ventures at the moment.
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Teesside airport was bought for the land plain and simple.
The councillors on the airport board went along with the gifting of the airports 800 acres for £500k, for whatever reason.
Some say its all part of a funny handshake agreements and lodge meetings. It might explain why the councils or the airport won't reveal the sale agreement documents over ten years later! Whats to hide???
When the houses are being built the owners will show their true colours but they are in no rush. Word on the street is the new Mayor has been told he has no buying power but he's welcome to use the facilities
Leek
Utility Week ? Ancala Partners and Peel Group launch joint venture
Renewable energy
Peel Ports Group partners with A&P Group to serve booming offshore wind sector
Teesside airport was bought for the land plain and simple.
The councillors on the airport board went along with the gifting of the airports 800 acres for £500k, for whatever reason.
Some say its all part of a funny handshake agreements and lodge meetings. It might explain why the councils or the airport won't reveal the sale agreement documents over ten years later! Whats to hide???
When the houses are being built the owners will show their true colours but they are in no rush. Word on the street is the new Mayor has been told he has no buying power but he's welcome to use the facilities
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Seems everything is p
g me off today - are we really going to go over this again?!
This is your opinion, do not state it as fact.
Most on here do not need me to remind them that leisure flights are not profitable, something myself and others struggled to prove at first but thankfully is now widely accepted within the industry. You make profit from retail, car parking etc, but it takes mass volume to unlock this profit, volume that DTVA has never had. So yes, Peel's focus may be on other areas of aviation and non-aviation, but that does not mean they are purposely not looking for new routes, they are always talking to airlines.
As I said previously, DOs going 24H, fire about to go up to CAT6, and a terminal refurbishment, all things that they would not do if they did not want the airport to succeed.
Furthermore, I know a couple of people who have directly asked the CEO of Jet2 face-to-face if they would ever come here, and he has said no because it would be extra expense and they would only be poaching their existing passengers.
So Highwide, wynd your neck in, and Beafer quit with the spamful, largely off topic posts...who gives a monkeys what Peel choose to do away from DTVA?
g me off today - are we really going to go over this again?!
But you are missing the main point..the owners don't want flights..solution ,get new owners..obvious!!??
Most on here do not need me to remind them that leisure flights are not profitable, something myself and others struggled to prove at first but thankfully is now widely accepted within the industry. You make profit from retail, car parking etc, but it takes mass volume to unlock this profit, volume that DTVA has never had. So yes, Peel's focus may be on other areas of aviation and non-aviation, but that does not mean they are purposely not looking for new routes, they are always talking to airlines.
As I said previously, DOs going 24H, fire about to go up to CAT6, and a terminal refurbishment, all things that they would not do if they did not want the airport to succeed.
Furthermore, I know a couple of people who have directly asked the CEO of Jet2 face-to-face if they would ever come here, and he has said no because it would be extra expense and they would only be poaching their existing passengers.
So Highwide, wynd your neck in, and Beafer quit with the spamful, largely off topic posts...who gives a monkeys what Peel choose to do away from DTVA?
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If that's true that Mr Meeson has said he's not interested in MME then so be it, but I'd just like to point out that this was probable years ago. Jet2 has only really found it's feet in the last 2/3 years with Jet2holidays/Jet2citybreaks (and I just saw Jet2villas advertised on Facebook yesterday)
Are they not at a point now, where they are large enough to have more "marginal" operations to serve people at their doorstep through Jet2holidays?
When they were solely a scheduled carrier I can understand them not wanting to poach, but (correct me if I'm wrong) the way I see it is that if they set up shop at MME, Teessiders may be more likely to choose Jet2 from MME than TOM/TCX/EZY/FR and yes, indeed LS from NCL or LBA
OF course airport make more on ancillary items like car parking and duty free. But who do you think is paying more for that? Your business traveller off to Amsterdam or Aberdeen for a day or two, or a family heading to the Costas for a fortnight?
I'm probably being overly optimistic but I'd love to see more come out of MME. It'll never compete in the big leagues, but I'm confident it can support it's local market
Are they not at a point now, where they are large enough to have more "marginal" operations to serve people at their doorstep through Jet2holidays?
When they were solely a scheduled carrier I can understand them not wanting to poach, but (correct me if I'm wrong) the way I see it is that if they set up shop at MME, Teessiders may be more likely to choose Jet2 from MME than TOM/TCX/EZY/FR and yes, indeed LS from NCL or LBA
OF course airport make more on ancillary items like car parking and duty free. But who do you think is paying more for that? Your business traveller off to Amsterdam or Aberdeen for a day or two, or a family heading to the Costas for a fortnight?
I'm probably being overly optimistic but I'd love to see more come out of MME. It'll never compete in the big leagues, but I'm confident it can support it's local market
What has happened to the operators to most recently base units at MME?
How many flights a week did TOM operate out of MME before they were asked to leave?
What Duty Free shop?
Which region of England has the lowest level of disposable household income?
How far from MME are the two Jet2 bases of LBA and NCL?
As Beefer regular points out, Peel are successful large scale developers, so why haven't they done much at MME?
How many flights a week did TOM operate out of MME before they were asked to leave?
What Duty Free shop?
Which region of England has the lowest level of disposable household income?
How far from MME are the two Jet2 bases of LBA and NCL?
As Beefer regular points out, Peel are successful large scale developers, so why haven't they done much at MME?
TOM was one flight Alicante as they dropped Tenerife. It was ok when they had the based aircraft and extra Ws.
On the up side Monarch must be paying training fees for they're daily visits at the moment.
On the up side Monarch must be paying training fees for they're daily visits at the moment.
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Go easy their Beefer and High&wide... RR has thrown his toys out the pram ...so might leave again and come back under a different username as he's done three times now....
and as for the the RR quote...
.....As I said previously, DOs going 24H, fire about to go up to CAT6, and a terminal refurbishment, all things that they would not do if they did not want the airport to succeed..
My opinion...."10 years to late with the terminal etc".. they should have done all this when they had all the pax in 2006... and while we are on about Peel and this airport going places... another ATC shut down!! "shocking" for a International airport!! how long has this been going on for now?? must be well over a year??? FACT!
and as for the the RR quote...
.....As I said previously, DOs going 24H, fire about to go up to CAT6, and a terminal refurbishment, all things that they would not do if they did not want the airport to succeed..
My opinion...."10 years to late with the terminal etc".. they should have done all this when they had all the pax in 2006... and while we are on about Peel and this airport going places... another ATC shut down!! "shocking" for a International airport!! how long has this been going on for now?? must be well over a year??? FACT!
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TVCA questions
Touched a nerve there me thinks Its not just me and the locals wondering whats happening at the airport. The Tees Valley Combined Authority are asking as well.
Did the TVCA ever receive any answers from the large Peel organisation or are they being kept secret too?
Peel should be 'held to account' for Teesside's loss-making airport says tough talking new body - Gazette Live
I think Peel just think the locals will accept anything they spout. It still makes me wonder why they started swapping partner companies like VAS to another internal part of their spiders web of companies?
Maybe just a way to make the following of shares a bit harder with contracts etc? or to muddy the waters. The public have a right to see the original sale documents. Whats to hide?????
Remember what Peel did to Thomsons. Not wanted... We are not wanted, says Thomson holidays as it announces flights from Durham Tees Valley Airport to be axed (From Darlington and Stockton Times)
Its not just me and the locals wondering whats happening at the airport. The Tees Valley Combined Authority are asking as well.Did the TVCA ever receive any answers from the large Peel organisation or are they being kept secret too?
Peel should be 'held to account' for Teesside's loss-making airport says tough talking new body - Gazette Live
I think Peel just think the locals will accept anything they spout. It still makes me wonder why they started swapping partner companies like VAS to another internal part of their spiders web of companies?
Maybe just a way to make the following of shares a bit harder with contracts etc? or to muddy the waters. The public have a right to see the original sale documents. Whats to hide?????
Remember what Peel did to Thomsons. Not wanted... We are not wanted, says Thomson holidays as it announces flights from Durham Tees Valley Airport to be axed (From Darlington and Stockton Times)
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Yes, you have touched a nerve Beafer, never in my 5 decades on this planet have I encountered someone who spouts so much false info!
Bishop, pipe down, 10 years late maybe but at least the actions are there to back up my words, which is a damn sight more than can be said for some users! As for ATC closures, bad customer service yes, but it also happens at several other airports, including Leeds and Newcastle believe it or not though much less frequently...not justifying it, just making it clear it's not just us. And for the umpteenth time, 1st and only account, don't know how many more times I have to say it!!
Bishop, pipe down, 10 years late maybe but at least the actions are there to back up my words, which is a damn sight more than can be said for some users! As for ATC closures, bad customer service yes, but it also happens at several other airports, including Leeds and Newcastle believe it or not though much less frequently...not justifying it, just making it clear it's not just us. And for the umpteenth time, 1st and only account, don't know how many more times I have to say it!!
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Funny how Mr Hough forgot to mention that it was Peel who turned away Thomson's from the airport. Some flights are better than no flights, the people from the area are desperate for more holiday flights. I guess that some passengers would rather fly from a smaller airport than one that is 'All singing and all dancing'.
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Remember what Peel did to Thomsons. Not wanted...
Oldart...see post#1678, specifically the 2nd sentence of the 1st paragraph
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Well let's open this up to the likes of people on here from leeds and newcastle airports having ATC shut downs then, as I've never heard of that.. 'maybe in the middle of the night but certainly not during normal opening hours' ..6am-11pm... "and not for upto 45 minutes at time" so would b nice to here about leeds and newcastle airport ATC shutdowns if anyone can come up with some facts...
These should have been sorted straight away, but as is the case here at DTV... "very slow progress"
And while on here
...I'd like ask people from Humberside Airport how they can manage one Thomson flight a week during the winter months.. so they can pass on how it should b done to the likes of peel and DTV...
These should have been sorted straight away, but as is the case here at DTV... "very slow progress"
And while on here
...I'd like ask people from Humberside Airport how they can manage one Thomson flight a week during the winter months.. so they can pass on how it should b done to the likes of peel and DTV...
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As I said it's much less frequent at those airports...the point is it is not something that is exclusive to DTVA. Again, I'm not saying it is right, like I agreed it's bad customer service.
Regarding Humberside, you've largely answered your own question by noting it's a winter flight...meaning they have year round services as opposed to solely summer charters. Either way there will be a good reason.
Regarding Humberside, you've largely answered your own question by noting it's a winter flight...meaning they have year round services as opposed to solely summer charters. Either way there will be a good reason.