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Some routes are seasonal. Please note that the last flight from Tenerife (South) to Luton is on the 3rd of November this year.
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Some routes are seasonal. Please note that the last flight from Tenerife (South) to Luton is on the 3rd of November this year.
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"Interestingly... MAG have actually revealed today that STN in performing better than they expected"...
What MAG fail to mention publicly is that STN peaked at 23,779,697 passengers in 2007 so in effect is operating millions of passengers short of their best.
LTN however might be exceeding their highest peak of 2008 this year...?
What MAG fail to mention publicly is that STN peaked at 23,779,697 passengers in 2007 so in effect is operating millions of passengers short of their best.
LTN however might be exceeding their highest peak of 2008 this year...?
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PlanNet - Luton Borough Council This link does not work overnight.
Key points:
The first phase will now include:
a. Dualling of the Airport access road
b. Minor changes to the Holiday Inn Roundabout to accommodate the new
road
c. Remodelling of the Central Terminal Area (CTA) and the Drop-Off Zone and
Taxi Rank
d. Remodelling of the junction into the Mid-Term Car Park (MTCP)
e. Construction of the pedestrian bridge link across the CTA to the short term
car park
f. Construction of the link building between the old and new terminals
g. Extension of the baggage reclaim area
h. Construction of the walkway to Stand 9L
i. Infills to Pier A
j. Construction of new Pier B.
k. Extension of the South Apron
These works will take place over two years between January 2015 and January2017.
Provision of a temporary arrivals hall in the currently fallow area in the Old Terminal Building, changes in access to the building, demolition of the
current arrivals hall.
The works to the terminal building will commence with the construction of the
walkway to Stand 9L and the infills to Pier A. The extension of the baggage
reclaim area will follow. The main construction of the Link Building will
commence in summer 2015 when all of the internal reorganisation and the
provision of some additional internal capacity has been completed. The most
significant element of the construction is the new Pier B and link to it which will
commence towards the end of 2015 and take some sixteen months to
complete.
3.17 Completion of the terminal construction works and therefore Phase 1 is due in
early 2017.
Phase 2
Phase 2 includes the extension to the South Apron??? (also mentioned as part of phase 1) and the construction of
Taxiway Foxtrot.
These works are planned to commence in 2017 and be complete by 2019.
4.3 Phase 2 detailed drainage proposals will be submitted prior to the
commencement of the construction of these works.
Phase 3
Phase 3 will include the completion of the multi-storey car park, extension of the taxiway parallel to the runway and the provision of additional stands on the northern apron.
These works are planned to commence in 2015????? and be complete by 2025.
Key points:
The first phase will now include:
a. Dualling of the Airport access road
b. Minor changes to the Holiday Inn Roundabout to accommodate the new
road
c. Remodelling of the Central Terminal Area (CTA) and the Drop-Off Zone and
Taxi Rank
d. Remodelling of the junction into the Mid-Term Car Park (MTCP)
e. Construction of the pedestrian bridge link across the CTA to the short term
car park
f. Construction of the link building between the old and new terminals
g. Extension of the baggage reclaim area
h. Construction of the walkway to Stand 9L
i. Infills to Pier A
j. Construction of new Pier B.
k. Extension of the South Apron
These works will take place over two years between January 2015 and January2017.
Provision of a temporary arrivals hall in the currently fallow area in the Old Terminal Building, changes in access to the building, demolition of the
current arrivals hall.
The works to the terminal building will commence with the construction of the
walkway to Stand 9L and the infills to Pier A. The extension of the baggage
reclaim area will follow. The main construction of the Link Building will
commence in summer 2015 when all of the internal reorganisation and the
provision of some additional internal capacity has been completed. The most
significant element of the construction is the new Pier B and link to it which will
commence towards the end of 2015 and take some sixteen months to
complete.
3.17 Completion of the terminal construction works and therefore Phase 1 is due in
early 2017.
Phase 2
Phase 2 includes the extension to the South Apron??? (also mentioned as part of phase 1) and the construction of
Taxiway Foxtrot.
These works are planned to commence in 2017 and be complete by 2019.
4.3 Phase 2 detailed drainage proposals will be submitted prior to the
commencement of the construction of these works.
Phase 3
Phase 3 will include the completion of the multi-storey car park, extension of the taxiway parallel to the runway and the provision of additional stands on the northern apron.
These works are planned to commence in 2015????? and be complete by 2025.
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Plenty of flights from Essex International...
FR TFS Daily!
FR LPA x 4 weekly
FR ACE x 4 weekly
FR FUE x 4 weekly
+ Thomson to all the above and Thomas Cook start again in March
Not what you'd expect of such a poor airport
FR TFS Daily!
FR LPA x 4 weekly
FR ACE x 4 weekly
FR FUE x 4 weekly
+ Thomson to all the above and Thomas Cook start again in March
Not what you'd expect of such a poor airport
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Looking at the PDF 2 posts back the original phase 1 plan to 2017 had a parallel taxiway being built at the 26 end while the western 08 end was in the last phase to 2026. Now both ends are in the last phase although it has been brought forward a year to 2025.
Surprised this work is in the last phase as congestion is often caused when the runway in use is 08, as more aircraft have to backtrack.
Looking at the pre-phase 1 plan the old spectators/ easyjet building plus Harrods old terminal will be knocked down for a new road and parking.
Also noted in phase 3 is mention of additional stands on the northern apron. Not sure where they would go as the apron is hemmed in on all sides.
Surprised this work is in the last phase as congestion is often caused when the runway in use is 08, as more aircraft have to backtrack.
Looking at the pre-phase 1 plan the old spectators/ easyjet building plus Harrods old terminal will be knocked down for a new road and parking.
Also noted in phase 3 is mention of additional stands on the northern apron. Not sure where they would go as the apron is hemmed in on all sides.
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A guess as to why the work to remove the backtrack is postponed: As I understand it, the land involved crosses boundaries and that has always caused the project to be shelved before. Could be they expect that again. It would certainly be logical to do that first but, if it had have been easy, it would have been done by now.
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Is the full length Taxiway really that urgently required?
I think on one hand it is a no brainer for an airport the size of Luton and the sheer amount of movements taking place.
But on the other hand, I am noticing more aircraft are not back-tracking as much now, taking off from the taxiway intersection when using Runway 26, which is obviously increasing capacity capabilities.
Where before Ryanair seemed to the be the only airline not back-tracking a few years back, I notice a number of easyJet A319's and a few Thomson 737-800's taking off from here too. There is also the occasional Wizz A320 doing this too.
Monarch pilots nearly always back track, but I suppose when the majority of flights are A321's and flying longer sectors this makes sense.
While I am all for safety, and have previously said I think it is better to have the opportunity to use the full runway length and provides more of a safety margin on the runway. You have to trust the pilots judgements and the aircrafts operating margins. The runway length from the intersection is around 6000ft, making it comparable to Bristol or Southend's runway.
I don't think the runway is currently at capacity, even at peak times... I read it was able to handle up to 15 take offs an hour and that is taking into consideration all aircraft back tracking. Where probably half of them are not doing this. So we are probably a couple of years away before the full taxiway becomes a requirement.
Does the airport or ATC encourage aircraft with the capability to take off from the intersection or is it purely the pilots decision? Also would ATC know before the aircraft enters the runway if they are back tracking or do they assume this for all flights?
I think on one hand it is a no brainer for an airport the size of Luton and the sheer amount of movements taking place.
But on the other hand, I am noticing more aircraft are not back-tracking as much now, taking off from the taxiway intersection when using Runway 26, which is obviously increasing capacity capabilities.
Where before Ryanair seemed to the be the only airline not back-tracking a few years back, I notice a number of easyJet A319's and a few Thomson 737-800's taking off from here too. There is also the occasional Wizz A320 doing this too.
Monarch pilots nearly always back track, but I suppose when the majority of flights are A321's and flying longer sectors this makes sense.
While I am all for safety, and have previously said I think it is better to have the opportunity to use the full runway length and provides more of a safety margin on the runway. You have to trust the pilots judgements and the aircrafts operating margins. The runway length from the intersection is around 6000ft, making it comparable to Bristol or Southend's runway.
I don't think the runway is currently at capacity, even at peak times... I read it was able to handle up to 15 take offs an hour and that is taking into consideration all aircraft back tracking. Where probably half of them are not doing this. So we are probably a couple of years away before the full taxiway becomes a requirement.
Does the airport or ATC encourage aircraft with the capability to take off from the intersection or is it purely the pilots decision? Also would ATC know before the aircraft enters the runway if they are back tracking or do they assume this for all flights?
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Thanks for posting the link.
Having had a quick look I am curious but how are the retail outlets going to get their supplies in the new plan?
Having had a quick look I am curious but how are the retail outlets going to get their supplies in the new plan?
A guess as to why the work to remove the backtrack is postponed: As I understand it, the land involved crosses boundaries and that has always caused the project to be shelved before. Could be they expect that again. It would certainly be logical to do that first but, if it had have been easy, it would have been done by now.
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I,m lead to believe from a very reliable source that the reason the taxiway was never originally extended to the end of runway 26 was that it is going to take a lot of earthworks to build up the ground level as the land falls away rather drastically after the current turning point and it was going to cost more than anyone was prepared to pay for the extra benefit of a full length taxiway.
It was pointed out that when the new dual road was put into the airport a couple of years ago, all that "muck" could have been dumped in the area of the "26" taxiway extension, but that was deemed to much of a good idea by the powers that be.
It was pointed out that when the new dual road was put into the airport a couple of years ago, all that "muck" could have been dumped in the area of the "26" taxiway extension, but that was deemed to much of a good idea by the powers that be.
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Atc will normally ask whether aircraft are intersection able. There is also the option to allow dep from the intersection whilst others backtrack. This is quite common, out of peak season you find most dep are from the intersections, a few years back I remember an onur air 321 departing from the alpha intersection to dalaman.
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I am noticing more aircraft are not back-tracking as much
Interestingly I have seen A300's and Boeing 767's taking off from the Bravo taxiway intersection!
Only last night I watched what I term my third 'scare' of a flight departing and then dipping from the turning circle which lead to a Boeing 737-800 flying very low over South Luton!
In response to your question is a full taxiway needed, trust me it is before lives are lost!
I am aware of another person equally concerned having witnessed his 'own scare'!
A 'certain' airline must be treating the runway as a STOL operation not knowing how lucky I am to have such a fantastic view of their rotation!
I have conveyed my concerns to the airport several times and once received an official reply from the 'very top' and trust me my family background are all flight engineers!
They need that extended taxiway with urgency before an accident occurs! Short cuts can lead to loss of lives!
Only last night I watched what I term my third 'scare' of a flight departing and then dipping from the turning circle which lead to a Boeing 737-800 flying very low over South Luton!
In response to your question is a full taxiway needed, trust me it is before lives are lost!
I am aware of another person equally concerned having witnessed his 'own scare'!
A 'certain' airline must be treating the runway as a STOL operation not knowing how lucky I am to have such a fantastic view of their rotation!
I have conveyed my concerns to the airport several times and once received an official reply from the 'very top' and trust me my family background are all flight engineers!
They need that extended taxiway with urgency before an accident occurs! Short cuts can lead to loss of lives!
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TORA distances (take off run available)
2160m 7086ft Runway 26
2160m 7086ft Runway 08
1765m 5790ft Intersection Alpha (26 end)
1685m 5528ft Intersection Bravo (08 end)
Southend
1739m 5705ft Runway 24
1739m 5705ft Runway 06
Take-off Distance Available (TODA)
Either the distance from the point on the surface of the aerodrome at which the aeroplane can commence its take-off run to the nearest obstacle in the direction of take-off projecting above the surface of the aerodrome and capable of affecting the safety of the aeroplane, or one and one half times the take-off run available, whichever is the less.
3240m runway 26
3240m runway 08
2527m Intersection Alpha (26 end)
2647m Interection Bravo (08 end)
Southend
1799m Runway 24
1799m Runway 06
2160m 7086ft Runway 26
2160m 7086ft Runway 08
1765m 5790ft Intersection Alpha (26 end)
1685m 5528ft Intersection Bravo (08 end)
Southend
1739m 5705ft Runway 24
1739m 5705ft Runway 06
Take-off Distance Available (TODA)
Either the distance from the point on the surface of the aerodrome at which the aeroplane can commence its take-off run to the nearest obstacle in the direction of take-off projecting above the surface of the aerodrome and capable of affecting the safety of the aeroplane, or one and one half times the take-off run available, whichever is the less.
3240m runway 26
3240m runway 08
2527m Intersection Alpha (26 end)
2647m Interection Bravo (08 end)
Southend
1799m Runway 24
1799m Runway 06
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How is this the airports direct problem?
ATC will always ask if any aircraft is happy to depart from intersection or require backtrack? Only the pilots will know the weight/fuel they have loaded and the conditions to make that call.
If it's a 738 you saw, it most likely was one of 3 airline regulars, I suspect one going to Lithuania...? If so drop the operator a message.
I do note there were some 'interesting' down-winds yesterday out to the northwest rather than via Barkway which ATC might be trailing?
How is this the airports direct problem?
ATC will always ask if any aircraft is happy to depart from intersection or require backtrack? Only the pilots will know the weight/fuel they have loaded and the conditions to make that call.
If it's a 738 you saw, it most likely was one of 3 airline regulars, I suspect one going to Lithuania...? If so drop the operator a message.
I do note there were some 'interesting' down-winds yesterday out to the northwest rather than via Barkway which ATC might be trailing?
Back in flight school when doing some PPL theory, my instructor (ex RAF obviously) told me to always, regardless of aircraft type or conditions to use the full length of the runway available, because you'll never know when you need it.
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I see Easyjet have added Rome for next winter using a Rome.
Atlasjet have already said that there will do a daily service to Antalya but Istanbul is not bookable after 28 march is this normal or there are stopping this.
Atlasjet have already said that there will do a daily service to Antalya but Istanbul is not bookable after 28 march is this normal or there are stopping this.
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