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Nice pics , thanks for the update.
I am still wondering how they are going to police all this when its finished.
In your photo the return road to the drop off area has space for one car only so worse case scenario the drop off area becomes really congested and more than one car can't find a space so decides to try and return into the first lane.
Gridlock ensues , to ease congestion they go straight out onto the ring road and into short term.
So they than have two tickets.As the exit from the short term is dedicated only to short term parking I wonder if the machines will accept the drop off ticket if inserted and priced accordingly or I can see lots of complaints.
Same applies if they go to the multi storey.I am curious how they will price all this, especially the drop off area
Also they have to tell everybody arriving by the Holiday Inn hotel that the road in to the CTA is a toll.Drivers will then probably cause chaos trying to find alternatives to paying and end up trying to stop there.
Do we have any figures on the number of cars the new drop off area can accommodate compared to today?
Interesting times ahead!!!
Nice pics , thanks for the update.
I am still wondering how they are going to police all this when its finished.
In your photo the return road to the drop off area has space for one car only so worse case scenario the drop off area becomes really congested and more than one car can't find a space so decides to try and return into the first lane.
Gridlock ensues , to ease congestion they go straight out onto the ring road and into short term.
So they than have two tickets.As the exit from the short term is dedicated only to short term parking I wonder if the machines will accept the drop off ticket if inserted and priced accordingly or I can see lots of complaints.
Same applies if they go to the multi storey.I am curious how they will price all this, especially the drop off area
Also they have to tell everybody arriving by the Holiday Inn hotel that the road in to the CTA is a toll.Drivers will then probably cause chaos trying to find alternatives to paying and end up trying to stop there.
Do we have any figures on the number of cars the new drop off area can accommodate compared to today?
Interesting times ahead!!!
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This is how I see things will pan out.
Like now if they call in at the drop off area first they won't collect a ticket but the time will be recorded. If they then exit one of the 5 drop off barriers located by the multistory car park they will pay the appropriate charge.
If they call in at the drop off area first but then enter the short or multistory car park they will now collect an entry ticket and exit via dedicated exit barriers that will require an exit ticket. As they are now in different exit lanes the time spent in the drop off area won't count.
Now what would happen if a car spent 30 minutes in the drop off area thus picking up a massive charge and then entered the short term car park for say just 10 minutes brings up an interesting scenario.
There is also a couple of short sections that look single lane so not a good place to break down.
Like now if they call in at the drop off area first they won't collect a ticket but the time will be recorded. If they then exit one of the 5 drop off barriers located by the multistory car park they will pay the appropriate charge.
If they call in at the drop off area first but then enter the short or multistory car park they will now collect an entry ticket and exit via dedicated exit barriers that will require an exit ticket. As they are now in different exit lanes the time spent in the drop off area won't count.
Now what would happen if a car spent 30 minutes in the drop off area thus picking up a massive charge and then entered the short term car park for say just 10 minutes brings up an interesting scenario.
There is also a couple of short sections that look single lane so not a good place to break down.
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Another point to note is that if someone gets dropped off on the south side of the new drop off area they can't walk around the edge of the drop off area as there is no pavement on the horseshoe but a raised embankment of grass. There is already minor traffic holdups as people cross the drop off lanes but this will get worse as passenger numbers increase.
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Ok yeah that makes more sense, timed from the moment you enter the CTA via camera.
They will just have to police the drop off area accordingly to prevent the 30min stayers and your scenario happening!
There is a lane at the bottom of the short stay car park parallel to the south stands presumably for pre payment of your ticket before leaving the short stay.
Visitors to Easy or deliveries must get a card or number to enter when leaving?
Ok yeah that makes more sense, timed from the moment you enter the CTA via camera.
They will just have to police the drop off area accordingly to prevent the 30min stayers and your scenario happening!
There is a lane at the bottom of the short stay car park parallel to the south stands presumably for pre payment of your ticket before leaving the short stay.
Visitors to Easy or deliveries must get a card or number to enter when leaving?
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Unlikely. I don't think I ever flew on the IOM to STN route on a plane more than a 3rd full, despite what are usually the cheapest seats to London at the moment. There are a number of reasons for that:
The Manx economy is ok but it doesn't support the level of business travellers pre-2008. The Financial Services industry (and no I don't specifically mean the newspaper-villan "bankers") is still in a position of tightening costs. The supposed space industry appears to consist of a 30 brass company names on 4 room run down office buildings with 30 registered company names (slight exageration). The gaming industry is extremely profitable, but relatively low on need for travellers. Many, of what affluent business travellers there are, want to fly to City but there are barely enough to warrant that flight, even with hard fought underwriting from a local business.
The tourism industry is minimal despite the best impression that the governments tourism board tries (and fails) to set. Theres little money in the government coffers so they even resorted to making a big deal out of "dark skies" tourism. Thats where the tourism board saw that it was free to nominate dark sky locations and did it enmasse before anyone in the UK. So government sponsored adverts/articles went into national newspapers suggesting to Britons that there are more dark skies than the whole of the UK put together. Actually they just got there first and the skies are no darker than the countryside in the UK. And, more importantly, how many people really go on holiday to somewhere based on their dark skies at night. Really, the countryside is oustanding but the towns/villages are generally unappealing compared to the UK and the weather poor - you may as well drive to countryside elsewhere in the UK for less effort and cost. Its not sunny and warm in the summer like Jersey. Its not sunny and warm like the south coast of England.
Realistically, Manchester is preferable to Gatwick for a large proportion of Manx residents. Thats for UK connections and connections to the rest of the world. For those people that do fly to London for connections, they're wanting alternative or cheaper connections to Manchester - Gatwick offers the best options and Luton wouldn't be better than Stansted.
Easyjet. Big name, big airport in London. A more comfortable flight on a jet than all the props Manx people are used to - FlyBe, those Let410's operated for CityWing etc. There are usually nearly full flights from Gatwick. The Luton flights on Aer Arran and FlyBe were never that full.
There have been many different UK routes tried to the island - the island just cannot sustain them. Flybe couldn't attract people to Stansted with very low fares. It would be much more convenient for me personally but I can't see there being the numbers to support a Luton flight. They can try but they're unlikely to succeed
The Manx economy is ok but it doesn't support the level of business travellers pre-2008. The Financial Services industry (and no I don't specifically mean the newspaper-villan "bankers") is still in a position of tightening costs. The supposed space industry appears to consist of a 30 brass company names on 4 room run down office buildings with 30 registered company names (slight exageration). The gaming industry is extremely profitable, but relatively low on need for travellers. Many, of what affluent business travellers there are, want to fly to City but there are barely enough to warrant that flight, even with hard fought underwriting from a local business.
The tourism industry is minimal despite the best impression that the governments tourism board tries (and fails) to set. Theres little money in the government coffers so they even resorted to making a big deal out of "dark skies" tourism. Thats where the tourism board saw that it was free to nominate dark sky locations and did it enmasse before anyone in the UK. So government sponsored adverts/articles went into national newspapers suggesting to Britons that there are more dark skies than the whole of the UK put together. Actually they just got there first and the skies are no darker than the countryside in the UK. And, more importantly, how many people really go on holiday to somewhere based on their dark skies at night. Really, the countryside is oustanding but the towns/villages are generally unappealing compared to the UK and the weather poor - you may as well drive to countryside elsewhere in the UK for less effort and cost. Its not sunny and warm in the summer like Jersey. Its not sunny and warm like the south coast of England.
Realistically, Manchester is preferable to Gatwick for a large proportion of Manx residents. Thats for UK connections and connections to the rest of the world. For those people that do fly to London for connections, they're wanting alternative or cheaper connections to Manchester - Gatwick offers the best options and Luton wouldn't be better than Stansted.
Easyjet. Big name, big airport in London. A more comfortable flight on a jet than all the props Manx people are used to - FlyBe, those Let410's operated for CityWing etc. There are usually nearly full flights from Gatwick. The Luton flights on Aer Arran and FlyBe were never that full.
There have been many different UK routes tried to the island - the island just cannot sustain them. Flybe couldn't attract people to Stansted with very low fares. It would be much more convenient for me personally but I can't see there being the numbers to support a Luton flight. They can try but they're unlikely to succeed
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This is brilliant news - I've long thought that there was room for a JER route from LTN again although I never thought EZY would return to it. I wish them well. I wonder if they'll have a go at IOM too?
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I worked at LTN for many years before moving across to LHR.
I really do hope the new bus stop will be easier and have clearer signs. The amount of people, especially from Eastern Europe, who would get confused as to which bus stop they should go to was a nightmare for many people I spoke to who worked in that industry.
I really do hope the new bus stop will be easier and have clearer signs. The amount of people, especially from Eastern Europe, who would get confused as to which bus stop they should go to was a nightmare for many people I spoke to who worked in that industry.
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Main Headline story in today's Luton News is that the planned heavy or light rail link to the station is at an advanced stage of planning despite many logistical issues in putting one in place. A date of 2018/19 was mentioned.
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Continued growth
For October LTN handled 1,149,972 PAX. (as per my previous prediction for the month of October) I was short by 13,000 passengers!
During the last 12 months the current PAX level has now achieved an astonishing 11,963,869 which equates to a 15.5% year on year growth.
The Waterford service handled an average of 29 Pax or 58% load factor during the month.
By end of 31st December I predict LTN will handle 12,265,000 PAX for 2015?
I see no reason for LTN not to achieve the 13 Million mark during next year with extra rotations on current schedules, various new routes and Easyjet basing yet another A/C- which I am sure they plan to do?
During the last 12 months the current PAX level has now achieved an astonishing 11,963,869 which equates to a 15.5% year on year growth.
The Waterford service handled an average of 29 Pax or 58% load factor during the month.
By end of 31st December I predict LTN will handle 12,265,000 PAX for 2015?
I see no reason for LTN not to achieve the 13 Million mark during next year with extra rotations on current schedules, various new routes and Easyjet basing yet another A/C- which I am sure they plan to do?
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For October LTN handled 1,149,972 PAX. (as per my previous prediction for the month of October) I was short by 13,000 passengers!
During the last 12 months the current PAX level has now achieved an astonishing 11,963,869 which equates to a 15.5% year on year growth.
The Waterford service handled an average of 29 Pax or 58% load factor during the month.
By end of 31st December I predict LTN will handle 12,265,000 PAX for 2015?
I see no reason for LTN not to achieve the 13 Million mark during next year with extra rotations on current schedules, various new routes and Easyjet basing yet another A/C- which I am sure they plan to do?
During the last 12 months the current PAX level has now achieved an astonishing 11,963,869 which equates to a 15.5% year on year growth.
The Waterford service handled an average of 29 Pax or 58% load factor during the month.
By end of 31st December I predict LTN will handle 12,265,000 PAX for 2015?
I see no reason for LTN not to achieve the 13 Million mark during next year with extra rotations on current schedules, various new routes and Easyjet basing yet another A/C- which I am sure they plan to do?
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Signature redevelopment update
Today's updates are split into two posts with Signature first.
Signature's new apron that will front their new FPO continues to receive concrete.
Using the red circle as a reference, which is gate 5 in this old aerial shot, it can be seen on the plans that their new apron extends to the wing tip markings of the centre line of the main apron.
The plan shows the new apron covering one of the former hangars, offices, rear car park and the airports old ground tower which will eventually be demolished.
Signature's new apron that will front their new FPO continues to receive concrete.
Using the red circle as a reference, which is gate 5 in this old aerial shot, it can be seen on the plans that their new apron extends to the wing tip markings of the centre line of the main apron.
The plan shows the new apron covering one of the former hangars, offices, rear car park and the airports old ground tower which will eventually be demolished.
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Airport weekly redevelopment update
The partially built new CTA roundabout has now been fully signposted and looks about to open.
The bus station also looks set to be partially opened with 3 bays opened up with access now available to passengers. In the maneuvering area 5 of the 9 completed bays are within a temporary fenced boundary. As can be seen no shelter has been provided.
As can be seen, lowered street lighting has also gone in this week that is low enough to fit under the canopy. This is one of the two temporary routes to the bus station, drop off area and short term car park. The other route follows the edge of the terminal.
Work has now started on the foundations of the multistory car park. Also a large section of the short term car park has been closed to allow work to continue on the multistory car park and on the ring road including a line of 11 exit barriers.
The bus station also looks set to be partially opened with 3 bays opened up with access now available to passengers. In the maneuvering area 5 of the 9 completed bays are within a temporary fenced boundary. As can be seen no shelter has been provided.
As can be seen, lowered street lighting has also gone in this week that is low enough to fit under the canopy. This is one of the two temporary routes to the bus station, drop off area and short term car park. The other route follows the edge of the terminal.
Work has now started on the foundations of the multistory car park. Also a large section of the short term car park has been closed to allow work to continue on the multistory car park and on the ring road including a line of 11 exit barriers.
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"Luton is still open despite the snow."
Yeah, it was heroic again. 2 mm of slush which melted earlier than you could get a de-icing truck from IDS (2 hrs).
Yeah, it was heroic again. 2 mm of slush which melted earlier than you could get a de-icing truck from IDS (2 hrs).
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Yes it didn't last long as the snow soon turned to rain but it was still a shock when I looked out of the window at 6:50 this morning. The airport was reporting 100% contamination and as we know it doesn't take much for Luton to close but the rain arrived just in time.
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Boeing737-8 Good that Wizz have started the A321 into Luton. That'll certainly help to increase capacity on the key routes. What other routes willA321's be used on?
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