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Could TOM start more flights to the Caribbean or even VS??
Could TOM start more flights to the Caribbean or even VS??
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What are the actual benefits of being sister airports when there is no direct air link between the two? And when there is come to that? Birmingham and Chicago have been twin cities for years but there hasn't been direct flights between the two for over ten years now so I'm struggling to understand the concept of it all. Funny that this comes to light just as MAN announces Condor are launching Trinidad next summer and AA soon to announce the re-launch of MAN-MIA with a strong emphasis on the Caribbean connections.
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China pattern,
Re BHX- Chicago twinning..it hasn't been "years" as you say in fact just over 12 months !
Although I agree that city tie ups do little to initiate new flights, it is a start I suppose.
Feel free to promote MANs new route to Tobago and possibly a restart to Miami,however to try and link these to BHX twinning efforts is a bit silly.
I would not be surprised if BHX does return to getting flights to Chicago in the next 12-18 months.
Justplanecrazy.
Would Virgin be interested in BHX. Well they did say that they would relook at BHX once the runway was extended, so Id never say never,and BHX is very short of Orlando capacity, do they have enough planes though ?
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Re BHX- Chicago twinning..it hasn't been "years" as you say in fact just over 12 months !
Although I agree that city tie ups do little to initiate new flights, it is a start I suppose.
Feel free to promote MANs new route to Tobago and possibly a restart to Miami,however to try and link these to BHX twinning efforts is a bit silly.
I would not be surprised if BHX does return to getting flights to Chicago in the next 12-18 months.
Justplanecrazy.
Would Virgin be interested in BHX. Well they did say that they would relook at BHX once the runway was extended, so Id never say never,and BHX is very short of Orlando capacity, do they have enough planes though ?
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Nigel who do you see operating? It could only realistically be United or American, although the B757s are being withdrawn at speed at AA.
City twinning is usually nothing more than a junket for the local "politicians" and mostly had nothing to do with commercial decisions.
City twinning is usually nothing more than a junket for the local "politicians" and mostly had nothing to do with commercial decisions.
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BHX- Chicago twinning..it hasn't been "years" as you say in fact just over 12
months !
months !
Feel free to promote MANs new route to Tobago and possibly a restart to Miami,however to try and link these to BHX twinning efforts is a bit silly.
I would not be surprised if BHX does return to getting flights to Chicago in the
next 12-18 months.
next 12-18 months.
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Nigel - Birmingham and Chicago have been twinned cities for decades, is it the tie up between the aiports you're referring to as just over 12 months ago?
The English town of Towcester is twinned with the French town of Breville....
The English town of Towcester is twinned with the French town of Breville....
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Nigel,
I thought the comparison between BHX's twinning and the new MAN route was valid.
BHX announces a twinning in the hope of getting a route to Tobago, yet MAN just gets out there and gets the route.
Same with ORD, BHX twins in the hope if a route, EDI just got out there and got the route.
Sometimes talk can be good, but then other times it can just be long winded when other airports just announce the route without all this 'negotiation/twinning' bluster.
I thought the comparison between BHX's twinning and the new MAN route was valid.
BHX announces a twinning in the hope of getting a route to Tobago, yet MAN just gets out there and gets the route.
Same with ORD, BHX twins in the hope if a route, EDI just got out there and got the route.
Sometimes talk can be good, but then other times it can just be long winded when other airports just announce the route without all this 'negotiation/twinning' bluster.
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The reason I posted it was because it mentions that the midlands has a large Caribbean diaspora which made me ask the question about the demand for more flights to the Caribbean from BHX and who would could/would start them.
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I agree that BHX-Caribbean is an underserved market; sadly though TOMs long haul programme has stagnated at BHX in recent years, TCX are focusing on MAN so unless Virgin reconsider their position the only other candidate as far as I can see would be....Caribbean Airlines???
LAX/LHR
Surprised we're not twinned with Beijing yet! 
I agree that BHX-Caribbean is an underserved market; sadly though TOMs long haul programme has stagnated at BHX in recent years, TCX are focusing on MAN so unless Virgin reconsider their position the only other candidate as far as I can see would be....Caribbean Airlines???
LAX/LHR
Sometimes talk can be good, but then other times it can just be long winded when other airports just announce the route without all this
'negotiation/twinning' bluster.
'negotiation/twinning' bluster.
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Surprised we're not twinned with Beijing yet
Twinned cities, Twinned airports mean diddly squat .
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Surprised we're not twinned with Beijing yet!
Unless twinned airports offer something like zero fees at both ends and a forecast of strong demand, I just don't see what it achieves.
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LAX-LHR.
I think BHX will take what it can get.Therefore its twinning was more of a PR thing, perhaps to justify padding out a bit of spare time during the trip
Always far easier for MAN to get Tobago anyway as they already have Virgin and TCX long haul !
I dismiss the importance of EDI flts, as the Scottish Govt throws so much money at it, always hard to see if there is an equal business case therefore.
Nigel
I think BHX will take what it can get.Therefore its twinning was more of a PR thing, perhaps to justify padding out a bit of spare time during the trip
Always far easier for MAN to get Tobago anyway as they already have Virgin and TCX long haul !
I dismiss the importance of EDI flts, as the Scottish Govt throws so much money at it, always hard to see if there is an equal business case therefore.
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I dismiss the importance of EDI flts, as the Scottish Govt throws so much
money at it, always hard to see if there is an equal business case therefore
money at it, always hard to see if there is an equal business case therefore
Scotland is still part of the UK, so therefore subject to similar rules of funding as BHX nd its councils, as far as Im aware.
Put it this way, with all the PR of this 'twin cities', the chance to offer zero/next to nothing fees at both ends, and this such obvious demand for a BHX-ORD flight, what exactly is stopping UA, who already operate to BHX, have the ideal aircraft (B757), opening the route?
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Skipness,
Yes good point ,I feel with the 757s being run down at ORD it would have to be a 763. American operated that type from BHX before for some time, after starting with 762s.
Also a bit tight range wise on a 757 westbound from BHX.
The route was problematic at timesin the summer, as temps over 70f lead to some freight being offloaded to make the plane light enough for the runway length.
The point I make here is with the runway extension I feel that a 763 would have to be packed with freight to make such a service viable again ,now fuel prices are so much higher.
However I think it will happen, BHX are confident, and they brought AI back when many doubted it.
Nigel
Yes good point ,I feel with the 757s being run down at ORD it would have to be a 763. American operated that type from BHX before for some time, after starting with 762s.
Also a bit tight range wise on a 757 westbound from BHX.
The route was problematic at timesin the summer, as temps over 70f lead to some freight being offloaded to make the plane light enough for the runway length.
The point I make here is with the runway extension I feel that a 763 would have to be packed with freight to make such a service viable again ,now fuel prices are so much higher.
However I think it will happen, BHX are confident, and they brought AI back when many doubted it.
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It's not that BHX brought Air India back, it's more that the magic drunken Indian dartboard of route planning alighted on the spot marked BHX. A US legacy needs to be a commercial proposition.
Air India bought a whole fleet of B777-237LRs then closed the routes they bought them for, reducing one to spares. They're like Kingfisher, only with a bigger subsidy. Now great to see AI B787s but be careful not to compare apples with pears. ORD would needs a United B752 or a B763 from American or UA. American are pretty unlikely as times have changed and the last time CO upped capacity it kicked the route into a loss.
Also I am keen to know what money the Scottish government is "throwing at" at EDI given the Route Development Fund is long gone. Can you assist?
Air India bought a whole fleet of B777-237LRs then closed the routes they bought them for, reducing one to spares. They're like Kingfisher, only with a bigger subsidy. Now great to see AI B787s but be careful not to compare apples with pears. ORD would needs a United B752 or a B763 from American or UA. American are pretty unlikely as times have changed and the last time CO upped capacity it kicked the route into a loss.
Also I am keen to know what money the Scottish government is "throwing at" at EDI given the Route Development Fund is long gone. Can you assist?
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Skipness,
You do really make me laugh please don't change very entertaining
In relation to your comments on Air India who cares the load factors are excellent from BHX
Nigel
You do really make me laugh please don't change very entertaining
In relation to your comments on Air India who cares the load factors are excellent from BHX
Nigel
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Biman DC10
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Possibly a stop off at MAN or BHX.
Possibly a stop off at MAN or BHX.