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Most of the Sheikhs have their horses trained/bred in Ireland, hence the DXB-SNN route. Quite a common occurence to have live horses in from that part of the world to DUB/SNN
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Back to the November growth. I prefer to look at the changes in terminal passengers for obvious reasons and the main reason is that you are not dependent on what two Indian sub-continent airlines do or don't do (using MAN for transits to the US). The terminal passenger growth was 1.4% and certainly it's a growth but also it's the month with the lowest percentage growth in 2013. But before I continue, let's look at two graphs showing what has happened in 2013.
Let me first start by explaining the use of colours. Blue columns represent the Winter season and obviously the green for the Summer season. I've also converted the monthy passenger numbers to daily passenger numbers that will make it easier compare the different months.
If we start with the first graph, the columns form a curve that is very similar to what happened in 2010 at MAN (except for April and May - 2010 has the Icelandic ash), and this curve is pointier than what happened in both 2011 and 2012. Why it's pointier you clearly see if look at the second graph. The ratio between daily passengers in the Summer season compared with the Winter season has this year been 1.6:1, while the same ration for growth has been 2.8:1. Had it not been for the move of the Easter from 2012 in April to 2013 in March, this ration difference for growth had been much larger. But then we also have two events in 2012 that 2013 didn't have: The Queen's Diamond Jubilee and the London Olympics. This may explain the May and August 2013 extra growth compared with 2012. If we only look at the difference between the October and November growth the November growth equals to 2 daily Ryanair return flights (with their usual cabin factor) while the October growth equals to 12 daily Ryanair return flights.
All in all, it looks like two speed operation between Winter and Summer at MAN has been more accentuated this year. And this may also continue in to December with a low growth number?
Let me first start by explaining the use of colours. Blue columns represent the Winter season and obviously the green for the Summer season. I've also converted the monthy passenger numbers to daily passenger numbers that will make it easier compare the different months.
If we start with the first graph, the columns form a curve that is very similar to what happened in 2010 at MAN (except for April and May - 2010 has the Icelandic ash), and this curve is pointier than what happened in both 2011 and 2012. Why it's pointier you clearly see if look at the second graph. The ratio between daily passengers in the Summer season compared with the Winter season has this year been 1.6:1, while the same ration for growth has been 2.8:1. Had it not been for the move of the Easter from 2012 in April to 2013 in March, this ration difference for growth had been much larger. But then we also have two events in 2012 that 2013 didn't have: The Queen's Diamond Jubilee and the London Olympics. This may explain the May and August 2013 extra growth compared with 2012. If we only look at the difference between the October and November growth the November growth equals to 2 daily Ryanair return flights (with their usual cabin factor) while the October growth equals to 12 daily Ryanair return flights.
All in all, it looks like two speed operation between Winter and Summer at MAN has been more accentuated this year. And this may also continue in to December with a low growth number?
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Misleading headline of the day award goes to....
The UK hasn't had a new runway in 60 years - that could soon change - Telegraph
''The UK hasn't had a new runway in 60 years''.
The UK hasn't had a new runway in 60 years - that could soon change - Telegraph
''The UK hasn't had a new runway in 60 years''.
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Couple of aircraft upgrades it seems tomorrow - United operating a 767-400 to Newark and American a 767-300 to Chicago. Heavy bookings or forecast strong headwinds?
Also had the 1st visit of Lufthansa 777F today... delayed arrival into daylight hours = happy photographers.
Also appeared to be a few more Santa charters than yesterday and today than there normally is. Perhaps the December passengers numbers may be a little bit better than we may expect?
Also had the 1st visit of Lufthansa 777F today... delayed arrival into daylight hours = happy photographers.
Also appeared to be a few more Santa charters than yesterday and today than there normally is. Perhaps the December passengers numbers may be a little bit better than we may expect?
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The aircraft upgrades are due to increased loads on both decks (cargo and passengers).
Seems to be a slightly higher than usual number of pre-Christmas travellers this year. Lufthansa, Air France and Swiss operating a fair few A321's on FRA/MUC/CDG/ZRH, Brussels Airlines seem to have sent quite a few A319/A320 in and apparently tomorrow is not the last time we will see some extra USA widebodies.
Seems to be a slightly higher than usual number of pre-Christmas travellers this year. Lufthansa, Air France and Swiss operating a fair few A321's on FRA/MUC/CDG/ZRH, Brussels Airlines seem to have sent quite a few A319/A320 in and apparently tomorrow is not the last time we will see some extra USA widebodies.
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Just been informed the UA80/81 has been upgraded to the B767-400 tomorrow due to high BizFirst sales. Cargo and loads in the other cabins are also healthy.
B757-200 holds 16 in J, however 19 seats sold on tonight's EWR-MAN flight, and 23 booked in J for the MAN-EWR flight.
B757-200 holds 16 in J, however 19 seats sold on tonight's EWR-MAN flight, and 23 booked in J for the MAN-EWR flight.
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A lot will be down to brand awareness.
Easyjet is well known here, but maybe not so much for the Moscow-ites? The LGW route has the benefit of having a Transaero codeshare to boost awareness, Manchester does not. With the cost of visa's, and the fact there are some pretty affluent Russians now, I would hazard a guess that a lot of the route works on DME-MAN-DME rather than MAN-DME-MAN.
Maybe now easyjet have demonstrated a market, and the fact they now sponsor a well known sporting establishment, maybe one for Aeroflot to look into. They still hold rights to serve MAN after all!
Easyjet is well known here, but maybe not so much for the Moscow-ites? The LGW route has the benefit of having a Transaero codeshare to boost awareness, Manchester does not. With the cost of visa's, and the fact there are some pretty affluent Russians now, I would hazard a guess that a lot of the route works on DME-MAN-DME rather than MAN-DME-MAN.
Maybe now easyjet have demonstrated a market, and the fact they now sponsor a well known sporting establishment, maybe one for Aeroflot to look into. They still hold rights to serve MAN after all!
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Have to agree Suzeman, MAN has taken lots of steps forward for 2014 - AC Rouge and US Charlotte flights for a start plus the TCX/BE co-operation, VIE with Jet2 and others I am sure I've forgotten! And you are back through the 20 million barrier for the rolling 12 months. I bet you will get Moscow back in time.
Come down here to BHX if you want to see 1 step forward 2 back - an airport that opens a runway extension in 2014 but has of yet failed to attract a single carrier or destination as a result - unless Biman turn up........
Come down here to BHX if you want to see 1 step forward 2 back - an airport that opens a runway extension in 2014 but has of yet failed to attract a single carrier or destination as a result - unless Biman turn up........
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Can't be high prices that scare Mancunians from flying to Moscow - a return ticket with 20 kg checked in bag and best seats in house (exit row) you'll get from £113. I think it's more the hassle to get a visa to Russia that put people off, and it's much easier to take a trip to sunnier Spain.
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Could someone be a bit more specific please.
I thought MAN-DME was being reduced to 2 pw. The implication here is that it's being cut completely. Have I missed something?
Having been to Moscow on a number of occasions on business I fail to see the attraction as a tourist, in fact I would say it's a good place to avoid unless you have to go. Awful place. St.P on the other hand is much more interesting.
Anecdotal I know, but the trip I mentioned a few posts back.......stood by the belt at T1 watching the 'Domodedevo' flight's bags going round, the vast majority of punters 'appeared' to be young Russians with huge suitcases.
'British Suits', I reckon will still use the well trodden paths through AMS and FRA... for their FF points if nothing else.
I thought MAN-DME was being reduced to 2 pw. The implication here is that it's being cut completely. Have I missed something?
Having been to Moscow on a number of occasions on business I fail to see the attraction as a tourist, in fact I would say it's a good place to avoid unless you have to go. Awful place. St.P on the other hand is much more interesting.
Anecdotal I know, but the trip I mentioned a few posts back.......stood by the belt at T1 watching the 'Domodedevo' flight's bags going round, the vast majority of punters 'appeared' to be young Russians with huge suitcases.
'British Suits', I reckon will still use the well trodden paths through AMS and FRA... for their FF points if nothing else.
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I thought MAN-DME was being reduced to 2 pw. The implication here is that it's being cut completely. Have I missed something?
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For tourists LED would be far better than DME.
And yes someone here seems to to have got the wrong end of the stick. At the moment DME is showing twice per week all summer. There is however at least from my end a problem on the EZY booking engine in that in the three week view Sundays don't show and that is for all destinations
And yes someone here seems to to have got the wrong end of the stick. At the moment DME is showing twice per week all summer. There is however at least from my end a problem on the EZY booking engine in that in the three week view Sundays don't show and that is for all destinations
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C'mon Bagso; It's the season to be cheerful 
Now come on Suzeman you know my cup is always half empty.
It as after all only 9 weeks since MAG issued a press releases suggesting that the Moscow route specifically was part of a "magnificent summer"!
If it WAS such a roaring success why is it being pulled ?
Given brand image if EZY cannot make it work I doubt anybody else could !
Rouge, SAUDIA brilliant but if the success of the route depends on a bit of solitary fanfare in the Manchester evening news, they will quickly follow this route down the pan !
The problem is that route development to places like Hong Kong, Tokyo show high leakage via other hubs making a direct route "appear" plausible in any presentation.
BUT how would potential passengers find these flights ?
If you simply put in say Low Cost airfare Manchester - Toronto, unless you are as savvy as the readers on here you will STILL end up be punted via Air France, Lufthansa, KLM etc AND those carriers will of course still be chasing passengers even if a directs service starts.
To compound the problem even DIRECT doesn't necessarily mean non stop on some portals.
I think MAN is in a difficult position, its not in the Heathrow, Gatwick league, both being the somewhat natural default exit/entry point for a fair % of long haul ex UK, but neither is it in the same position as places like Birmingham, Bristol, Newcastle etc where no long haul network exists.
Yes it does very well, my frustration is that it could do so much better BUT you do have to have other fundamentals in place that tell punters about what's on offer.
Little point having a generic message of Fly Manchester if the person booking the flight cannot find it.
Manchester's has unique ability to do the difficult bit and attract a wave of long haul airlines, only to then lose a few of them a year or two down the line, that HAS to change !
Going back to Moscow I had an email from Transaero when EZY started suggesting they recognised Manchester as thee most important City/gateway outside London but bilateral agreements prevented them from access to Manchester !
Now come on Suzeman you know my cup is always half empty.
It as after all only 9 weeks since MAG issued a press releases suggesting that the Moscow route specifically was part of a "magnificent summer"!
If it WAS such a roaring success why is it being pulled ?
Given brand image if EZY cannot make it work I doubt anybody else could !
Rouge, SAUDIA brilliant but if the success of the route depends on a bit of solitary fanfare in the Manchester evening news, they will quickly follow this route down the pan !
The problem is that route development to places like Hong Kong, Tokyo show high leakage via other hubs making a direct route "appear" plausible in any presentation.
BUT how would potential passengers find these flights ?
If you simply put in say Low Cost airfare Manchester - Toronto, unless you are as savvy as the readers on here you will STILL end up be punted via Air France, Lufthansa, KLM etc AND those carriers will of course still be chasing passengers even if a directs service starts.
To compound the problem even DIRECT doesn't necessarily mean non stop on some portals.
I think MAN is in a difficult position, its not in the Heathrow, Gatwick league, both being the somewhat natural default exit/entry point for a fair % of long haul ex UK, but neither is it in the same position as places like Birmingham, Bristol, Newcastle etc where no long haul network exists.
Yes it does very well, my frustration is that it could do so much better BUT you do have to have other fundamentals in place that tell punters about what's on offer.
Little point having a generic message of Fly Manchester if the person booking the flight cannot find it.
Manchester's has unique ability to do the difficult bit and attract a wave of long haul airlines, only to then lose a few of them a year or two down the line, that HAS to change !
Going back to Moscow I had an email from Transaero when EZY started suggesting they recognised Manchester as thee most important City/gateway outside London but bilateral agreements prevented them from access to Manchester !
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Look it was your post that convinced me that the route had been pulled ie no more MAN-DME.
However thanks to others here, I now know that it is not.
How many people skimming the site and read your post now mistakenly believe there is no more MAN-MOW???
There's no point you complaining about negative or poor marketing / publicity if you yourself go on a public open website to spread mis-truths about an airline pulling a route when they are not.
Can you not see the irony of your last post?
Look it was your post that convinced me that the route had been pulled ie no more MAN-DME.
However thanks to others here, I now know that it is not.
How many people skimming the site and read your post now mistakenly believe there is no more MAN-MOW???
There's no point you complaining about negative or poor marketing / publicity if you yourself go on a public open website to spread mis-truths about an airline pulling a route when they are not.
Can you not see the irony of your last post?