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Old 6th Nov 2013, 06:56
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Getting another aircraft
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Old 6th Nov 2013, 07:37
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May be no cut backs or new aircraft. The EZY routes out of MAN are sometimes operated as a W pattern from other bases to free up based aircraft. These have included GVA & SXF using LPL aircraft.
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Old 8th Nov 2013, 13:24
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Ryanair have Nice for sale on 2 dates in March again for the property convention, just like last year.

I wonder if there could be an award for the lowest frequency route out of Manchester (twice yearly). Title previously held by Qantas for their yearly BKK/SYD flight which has not operated this year.
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Old 8th Nov 2013, 20:20
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The Cancun tourist board has stated that they are in final advance talks with Virgin Atlantic to open MAN-CUN.

This came at the travel trade fair where they also announced TCX will be serving DUB-CUN.
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Found online articles which give the idea of a 5 weekly service to Cancun with 300 seats?! Surely that would far too much capacity and an implication of an A330 being based when I thought they were pretty much to be located at LHR next year.
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Old 8th Nov 2013, 21:52
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I think the article means 5 weekly flights to all destinations (eg MAN 2 weekly, DUB 1 weekly etc).

However, the article you mention is quite interesting that it states:

Jesus Almaguer Salazar , director of the Convention and Visitors
Bureau (CVB ) , reported that after some negotiations with airlines such as
British Airways , Virgin Atlantic , Condor and Thomas Cook , achieved the
opening of five new weekly flights from Manchester , Finland, Sweden, Poland , Italy and Dublin to Cancun , from the first half of 2014 .
This to me looks like the route is confirmed? We know TCX is for DUB, Condor is likely a TCX tie up for UK/DUB routes, so that could mean Virgin MAN-CUN is a done deal? (unless it is just poor translation but DUB is confirmed after all).

Also the 2 based B747 are fully used in summer (11 weekly MCO, 1 weekly BGI and 2 weekly LAS, so either CUN comes at the expense of another flight, or a new part based aircraft (perhaps 2 weekly MAN-CUN, 2 weekly GLA-MCO and 3 new LGW flights on 1 aircraft?)

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Old 8th Nov 2013, 22:08
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I thought TCX were to concentrate long haul on FRA and MAN. Why are they doing DUB-CUN
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Old 8th Nov 2013, 22:09
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this is the article in Spanish

"Por lo que a mediados del año entrante, se estarían anunciando el inicio cinco vuelos nuevos directos a la semanal cada uno con capacidad para 300 personas aproximadamente"

which approximates to:

"As far as middle of next year, they would be announcing the start five new direct flights weekly to each with approximately 300 seats. "

With the "each" referring to the destinations you've quoted. Makes much better sense if talking of a combined 5 flights per week!
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Old 8th Nov 2013, 22:11
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I thought TCX were to concentrate long haul on FRA and MAN. Why are they
doing DUB-CUN
They opened a referral programme whereby airports could bid for flights and TCX/Condor would consider them as W patterns from existing long haul bases.

They are also apparently opening a new long haul base from Cologne so it seems the hub idea isn't quite as defined as they initially said.
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Old 8th Nov 2013, 22:19
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None of this seems to make sense to me.

TCX are doing 4x weekly to CUN next year already. It seems DUB is going to happen but what is the logic for this. As to VS I know this was muted some time back along with other flights from MAN but the reverse happened and there is/was a small cut back. Virgin holidays might want to open holidays to Mexico from MAN but it seems to be going against the current view of VS
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Old 8th Nov 2013, 22:26
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As to VS I know this was muted some time back along with other flights from
MAN but the reverse happened and there is/was a small cut back
Due to the seasonality of LAS from MAN, it could be that they will operate CUN in the winter in the place of LAS, as I cannot see another based aircraft.

It seems DUB is going to happen but what is the logic for this
Maybe due to the free airport fees, no travel tax and no flybe feed (which is how they are operating the MAN hub), it paid for them to open a direct route?
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Old 8th Nov 2013, 22:29
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At the moment I see no evidence of MAN being the centre of any long haul destination hub or whatever for TCX/DE. MCO was going to be 6 weekly even daily but is now only 3 per week.
Further the link up with BE seems not to have happened. Go to the TCX/DE websites and with one exception there are no connecting flights. In fact they seem to be pushing more MAN flights through FRA.

Yes we have Tobago from next winter but none of the promised long haul expansion ( at least for westbound flights) for next summer.
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Old 8th Nov 2013, 23:12
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I agree Viscount, the 'hub' plan has thus far been rather underwhelming.
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Old 8th Nov 2013, 23:25
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Maybe due to the free airport fees, no travel tax and no flybe feed (which is how they are operating the MAN hub), it paid for them to open a direct route?
DUB-CUN has being flagged since early 2013, 2012 had 15,000 passengers while passengers for early 2013 numbers were up over 22%. Can't see free fees for a holiday flight being given, reduced but not free. China and Russia are for benefits to Ireland unlike DUB-CUN would be.

TCX currently feed passengers via LGW.
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Old 9th Nov 2013, 08:32
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Cool

According to the VS station manager Cancun - NO!
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Old 9th Nov 2013, 09:54
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Depends if the station manager knows about the flight or allowed to say. When BA launched ICN we were not allowed to tell even BA staff until just before the press date.

All im saying is MAN-CUN is not beyond the realms of possibility and could be a way of keeping 2 based aircraft busy all year.
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Old 9th Nov 2013, 10:25
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Are there any ticketing portals which actually show

Inverness, Aberdeen, Belfast, Norwich with Flybe via Manchester to say the Caribbean.

...maybe the old plan died with the new Flybe management ?
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Are there any ticketing portals which actually show

Inverness, Aberdeen, Belfast, Norwich with Flybe via Manchester to say the Caribbean.
GDS shows some routings, however some have an overnight stay at MAN.

Ironicly, the routings suggested by the GDS systems give the VS flights from MAN a better flights duration on ABZ(BE)-MAN-MCO. (eg VS 13h 30 flight time, yet TCX routings are 24-29 hours long!)
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Old 9th Nov 2013, 11:10
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Just for reference this is the TCX long haul offering for the 2nd week of August:

Either a few routes still to be expanded or announced, or its actually a very quiet schedule with only Friday seeing all 4 based aircraft being used.

Monday:
TCX108 Montego Bay

Tuesday:
TCX148 Cancun
TCX414 Orlando International

Wednesday:
TCX174 Cayo Coco
TCX162 Cancun
TCX178 Orlando International

Thursday:
TCX816 Barbados via St. Lucia
TCX126 Orlando International

Friday:
TCX352 Varadero
TCX186 Cancun
TCX724 Las Vegas
TCX926 Orlando International

Saturday:
TCX152 Cancun
TCX386 Punta Cana
TCX472 Orlando International

Sunday:
TCX324 Cancun
TCX124 Las Vegas
TCX634 Orlando International
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Old 9th Nov 2013, 13:03
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When I was checking the TCX flights previously I was looking Mid July and it would seem there are a number of increases in August

Can I add TCX 244 to HOG on Monday which I think runs all summer.

For May June and part of July there are only three flights per week to MCO. In July it goes to four and in August to Six.

The Saturday CUN only seems to run from August.

Is TAB in GDS as it isn't on the TCX website yet from MAN
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