MANCHESTER - 9

[GavinC]

For what it's worth I think that the new 9,000 space car park is very sensible planning by MAG. It simultaneously allows for the closure of the temporary car parks on Airport City and, if required, the closure and re-location of current parking on the T2 apron and on what will become (hopefully) the T3 apron. This means that the airport has felxibility in terms of growth of air movements which is what we all want.

Whilst I understand people pointing to Airport City as a location for long-term parking in the form of a mulit-story, I think the lead-in time is simply too long. Any car park here would be at the back of the development, allowing for higher end uses to be closer to the airport buildings. As such, it would be accessed via the new 'loop' road which is yet to start construction and would require the closure of the existing car parking on Airport City to even start. Going down this route could therefore put more pressure on available parking spaces when we want the apron clear of them.

In terms of how this fits in with the overall parking 'vision' for the airport, I know that MAG are looking are extending all of the Terminals directly linked parking via new multi-story car parks. At T2 this would be an obvious extension of the existing car park, at T3 an extension to the north and at T1 and new carpark in the area between the existing car park and The Station. This will presumably allow for the existing car park to be redeveloped either as a new car park or, more likely, as additional terminal facilities.

At Airport City i'm sure we will see multi-story's to support that development but I really do think this planned and approved 9,000 space car park is the right way to go.

[All names taken]

I tend to agree with you Gavin.
Although the last I heard (from someone who should know), the huge space between the current T1 and the railway station was a contender for relocating T1 when the time comes rather than just a car park.
Thinking about it, that makes sense too.
They could build most of the new T1 whilst keeping the existing T1 operational for much of the build period.

[nigel osborne]

Thanks everyone I think I know everything about surface car parks in Manchester now .

Any news on actual airport terminal developments, extensions to piers that sort of thing, as MAN is growing so well at present don't they need these soon ?

Nigel

[chaps2011]

Hi Nigel
In my opion I would say yes as T3 is very full at times and T3 likewise
T2 is funny in that at times it is full and then nothing at at all.
Parking over the wintertime is interesting to say the least as the useage of aircraft
comes down dramatically with Jet2, Thomson, Thomas Cook and Monarch
having several aircraft each not flying.

chaps

[MKY661]

Any news on actual airport terminal developments, extensions to piers that sort of thing, as MAN is growing so well at present don't they need these soon ?

I remember back in the day there were plans for a Satellite Pier For T2 but not sure if this will go ahead. I also think MAN Needs more space as MAN on my FSX Is Full Capacity at the moment excluding Remote Stands >D

I highly doubt it but do any of you think that in the future there will be a fourth terminal at the airport?

[All names taken]

T3 easterly extension already has plans drawn up
T2 westerly extension was always envisaged in the original build - the easiest of all the extensions but hasn't happened - this would be a long way from the runways.
T1 re-build (it's half a century old now) inefficient layout, bad design causes airfield / taxiway issues.

Been told by someone who knows but either he was being coy or decisions on timing / sequencing have not been taken yet.

If I was a betting man I would say the T3 extension first but current plans require the closing of what's left of the old Ringway Road as it approaches the eastern end of T3. In order to do that a new distributor road would need to be built from near the Airport Hotel pub to the existing roundabout near the on-site hotels between T1 and T3. It would cut through and remove existing surface car parking as would the additional aircraft apron.
If the management use Cost Benefit Analysis I would reckon this would be a development that works sooner rather than later.

Whatever happens this 9000 space car park provides the breathing space to enable further activity in and around the terminals..

[MKY661]

I Believe This Was also Part of the Final Plan:

[nigel osborne]

All names taken, chap2011, mky661

Thanks all for your thoughts and info, it looks very bright for the future at MAN at present.

We just have the runway extension and huge new MAEL hangar which opens next week to talk about at BHX at the moment.

Best wishes

Nigel

[SWBKCB]

Thread drift - Ringway history

bit of a spat on the Prestwick thread about how long PIK has been desribed as Glasgow Prestwick, and a link has been posted to a 1958 BOAC timetable which refers to it as Glasgow (Prestwick)

http://www.timetableimages.com/ttima...58/ba58-03.jpg

So what goes up the cry, but it is interesting (and new to me) that the Transatlantic service came from Manchester/Liverpool and departed temporarily from Burtonwood Airport(!). Check-in was at either the Manchester Air Terminal or the Patten Arms Hotel, Bank Quay Station, Warrington.

Not heard of this before (admittedly it was before I was born), but what was all that about?

[chaps2011]

I think it was to do with runway length but when the new generation of prop aicraft came out in 50`s the then Ringway had not been extended ( I think 1957
when runway was extended to 7000ft) i:e DC-7 and Stratocruiser and the various
versions of Connies
Have a look at a copy of First and Foremost the first 50years by RA Schofield
published in 1978. Just checked you can still get it on Amazon a very good read if you are into airfield history

Chaps

[Suzeman]

[quote]Quote:
To be fair the residents of Mobberley and Knutsford have the single nuisance of aircraft......

If you live near the Tatton,

you have the planes

the train,

the new A6 relief road which will be a dual carrieway......

the metrolink

and now a 24 hour car park

...I think I would move !

.....and HS2 if Boy George gets his way, and it's his constituency![/QUOTE]



FDF

Please get a grip of the airport layout before posting things like this

HS2 will go nowhere near the Tatton (which is about 1 mile EAST of the Terminal area) whilst HS will be about 1 mile WEST of the main terminal area

MKY 661

I Believe This Was also Part of the Final Plan:

Which part of what final plan please?

[Ringwayman]

chaps, it was only BOAC that forsook Manchester in favour of Burtonwood in wintertime. Sabena carried on as normal. The problem BOAC determined was braking on a wet runway.

[chaps2011]

Ringwayman
Yes you have reminded me about that, bit before my time to be honest

Chaps

[MKY661]

Which part of what final plan please?

I thought they were supposed to Rebuild Pier B and Put two Levels in Pier C in the Long Term

[Shed-on-a-Pole]

Suzeman - Fairdealfrank's slip-up is quite understandable if he is not local to the area. George Osborne's constituency is called "Tatton"; what our postings refer to as "(The) Tatton" relates to the pub of that name in the location you state. HS2 is planned to transit the Tatton Constituency as opposed to the vicinity of the Tatton Arms PH. Whilst your clarification of the facts for the benefit of non-locals is a good idea, the wording of your rebuke to FDF [Location: Middlesex] appears harsh.

[GavinC]

I think there are actually pictures and pdf's out there somewhere for the T2 extension, Pier B (as above) and T3 Pier extension which also illustrates the changes to the road network.

Some of the Airport City images show the T3 extension if I remember rightly and also a link between T1 and T2 although I've never seen a 'proper' drawing of this.

My view is that we will see the 9,000 space car park lead to the T3 apron expansion car park going then the apron expansion and then the pier expansion hopefully all in quick succession.

[AldiAl]

FLY NONSTOP

One new service we won't be seeing after all. They've just filed for bankruptcy!

AldiAl.

[LAX_LHR]

Ah well cant win them all.

The route was a strange one anyway. The flight was 2 weekly but you could only book the inbound on one flight and only the outbound on another.

[MKY661]

I thought the Route Was Selling Well too

[LAX_LHR]

Have the loads on the Brussels Airlines flights shot up lately? Notice an A319 is being used on a lot of flights (including tonight) and an A320 just arrived now. Certainly a step up from the usual Dash-8/Avro combination.