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And yet the old 'Air Parks' site next to Handforth Dean still remains derelict.
I always thought it odd that all the computer-generated images of 'Airport City' show no staff parking provision. Now we know why.
I always thought it odd that all the computer-generated images of 'Airport City' show no staff parking provision. Now we know why.
Shed - if they are taking all of that area that will be some car park. Your right, not the way to make friends.
And the Tatton used to be such a nice place to watch the planes go by...
And the Tatton used to be such a nice place to watch the planes go by...
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Have you flown into MAN recently ? Any perceptions that there was a desire to keep green space on the airfield boundary was blown away years ago, just look at the car park on the old joes field site as an example(opposite the Airport pub).
I have spent many a pleasant hour watching aircraft & scabby looking sheep eating Jet A1 contaminated grass at this new car park location, yes its quaint but hardly a green lung in the area.
If it helps to keep cars off the west apron in the future then it gets my vote as well.
Have you flown into MAN recently ? Any perceptions that there was a desire to keep green space on the airfield boundary was blown away years ago, just look at the car park on the old joes field site as an example(opposite the Airport pub).
I have spent many a pleasant hour watching aircraft & scabby looking sheep eating Jet A1 contaminated grass at this new car park location, yes its quaint but hardly a green lung in the area.
If it helps to keep cars off the west apron in the future then it gets my vote as well.
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Another transatlantic route likely to be announced for 2014.
Unsure exactly when it will be announced but October 2014 will be the start date. The carrier in question has operated this route before but now has the resources to make the route work better this time.
Unsure exactly when it will be announced but October 2014 will be the start date. The carrier in question has operated this route before but now has the resources to make the route work better this time.
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MAN777 - A centrally located multi-storey built as part of Airport City would also keep cars off the West Apron. That is the plan which gets my vote. And yes, the South Side car park is not a favourite with nearby residents, but it is only one-third the size of the new one just approved. BTW, those sheep look pretty fattened and contented to me. Not a scabby one amongst them!
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Given the launch date and it having been operated before, it can only be AA to Miami. Frequency may the debating point as I remember it pitching in as a daily service but in the last season of operation, it was operating 3 weekly. Perhaps 5 weekly could the initial call, but I don't think it will be a year-round operation.
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Do you know in more detail where this would be? My first reaction is that having a multi-storey in those fields might cause issues with obstacle clearance as the approach for 23R passes just over there (if I am thinking of the right fields).
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Clarification: The residents proposed a multi-storey car park option integral to the Airport City project which is located to the North of the Terminal One complex. There is no suggestion of constructing a multi-storey underneath the flightpath. That would surely be in breach of safety regulations.
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Ah, that makes more sense. Well I can't deny the place obviously needs more parking (considering they even too away stands to use as parking lots). I suppose though I can now look forward to having even more roadworks to pass on my way to work once the tram is done. But I suppose that's life...
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Sadly I think there was a certain inevitability about expanding East.
It does allow the car park in front of a Bewleys to be turned in to an apron allowing parking around the back of a T3 as per original plans.
Also heard staff west is moving to the new staff east. Does this mean that the apron could then be extended West?
Is it possible that with the go ahead of airport city there's a realisation that you need a fully functioning airport as the catalyst !
Staff east is 9000 cars how does that compare to the two current locations.
It does allow the car park in front of a Bewleys to be turned in to an apron allowing parking around the back of a T3 as per original plans.
Also heard staff west is moving to the new staff east. Does this mean that the apron could then be extended West?
Is it possible that with the go ahead of airport city there's a realisation that you need a fully functioning airport as the catalyst !
Staff east is 9000 cars how does that compare to the two current locations.
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The airport spokesperson at the planning hearing confirmed that the new 9000 space car park would be used for long-stay car parking. This issue was a hot topic throughout the planning process, as it was argued that cars staying for afew hours only generate far more road congestion and environmental impact than those parking up for a week at a time. MAG also argued that they were trying to encourage customers to park up their own vehicles for the duration of their trips because drop-offs / pick-ups generate twice as many car journeys on the road. If it turns out that the car park is utilised for something other than long-stay, questions will be asked.
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Long-stay, short-stay or staff, whatever. The plan to store more than 250,000 litres of mixed petrol/diesel in a 'public safety zone', (i.e. the 05L clearway) is not a good scheme. If anything were to hit this site, (e.g. an item detached during a gear-retraction sequence), the resulting chain-reaction would probably be spectacular and un-stoppable.
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The plan to store more than 250,000 litres of mixed petrol/diesel in a 'public safety zone', (i.e. the 05L clearway) is not a good scheme. If anything were to hit this site, (e.g. an item detached during a gear-retraction sequence), the resulting chain-reaction would probably be spectacular and un-stoppable
Why should MAN present such an issue ahead of other airports.
Such car parks right under the flightpath in 'clearways' exist at Heathrow (27R) and a petrol station under 27L (lets not forget the captain of BA38 who thought he would hit hatton cross).
Gatwick has a car park under 26L, and probably plenty of other cases around the world.
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The RESA for the 05L runway end is within the airport boundary, any aircraft in difficulty has a railway cutting to cross, a row of terrace houses and dozens of landing light supports to get through before it got anywhere near the car park.
Everything an airport does has to be risk assessed so I am pretty sure its been passed as acceptable. Also within 1/2 a mile it becomes a densely populated suburb of Stockport. To my knowledge there has never been any incidents of aircraft or parts ending up in this area (apart from the Viscount which hit the houses on Shadow Moss Road years ago. So how many thousands of movements is that ?
Absolutely minimal risk.
Everything an airport does has to be risk assessed so I am pretty sure its been passed as acceptable. Also within 1/2 a mile it becomes a densely populated suburb of Stockport. To my knowledge there has never been any incidents of aircraft or parts ending up in this area (apart from the Viscount which hit the houses on Shadow Moss Road years ago. So how many thousands of movements is that ?
Absolutely minimal risk.
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and a petrol station under 27L
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MAN777 -
"there has never been any incidents ... apart from the Viscount"
Well that is alright then. That Viscount crash killed all 15 passengers, all 5 crew and two local residents on the ground (Mrs Wilding and her son). Don't you think it is rather tasteless to glibly dismiss this tragedy? And the densely populated suburbs of Stockport which you refer to have an even larger tragedy of their own to reminisce about (the BMA crash).
Absolutely minimal risk? Come and say that face-to-face with some of the older residents who experienced the Shadow Moss crash first hand. A little more sensitivity, please.
And let's not accept complacency just because those two crashes occurred many years ago. In more recent times we have seen serious accidents close to the runways of at least three major UK airports: BMA B734 at EMA, Korean Cargo B747 at STN, BAW B772 at LHR. Plenty more examples of less serious incidents too. Accidents can and do happen; we must not be dismissive of the possibility. [I have not referenced the British Airtours MAN crash here because its circumstances render it unsuitable for the purposes of this comparison].
By the way, there is no row of houses between the end of 05L and the proposed car park site. There used to be, but they were demolished some years ago to comply with ICAO requirements. They had been built before the airport as we recognise it today was a consideration. Meanwhile, approach lighting supports are specifically designed to be frangible. They do not constitute a meaningful physical barrier to an aircraft in motion.
"there has never been any incidents ... apart from the Viscount"
Well that is alright then. That Viscount crash killed all 15 passengers, all 5 crew and two local residents on the ground (Mrs Wilding and her son). Don't you think it is rather tasteless to glibly dismiss this tragedy? And the densely populated suburbs of Stockport which you refer to have an even larger tragedy of their own to reminisce about (the BMA crash).
Absolutely minimal risk? Come and say that face-to-face with some of the older residents who experienced the Shadow Moss crash first hand. A little more sensitivity, please.
And let's not accept complacency just because those two crashes occurred many years ago. In more recent times we have seen serious accidents close to the runways of at least three major UK airports: BMA B734 at EMA, Korean Cargo B747 at STN, BAW B772 at LHR. Plenty more examples of less serious incidents too. Accidents can and do happen; we must not be dismissive of the possibility. [I have not referenced the British Airtours MAN crash here because its circumstances render it unsuitable for the purposes of this comparison].
By the way, there is no row of houses between the end of 05L and the proposed car park site. There used to be, but they were demolished some years ago to comply with ICAO requirements. They had been built before the airport as we recognise it today was a consideration. Meanwhile, approach lighting supports are specifically designed to be frangible. They do not constitute a meaningful physical barrier to an aircraft in motion.
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