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Old 30th Aug 2013, 21:52
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Egyptair MAN - Cairo - Amman - Cairo - MAN

Earlier in the thread I stated I would report back on my experience on these recent flights.

Business in Amman last week required reasonable timed flights coupled with cost. Egyptair came back as the cheapest and quickest. So bit of a no brainer really.

MAN Check in and security check less than 15 minutes and access to Servisair business lounge, not quite Emirates but OK with great views of the airport.

Egyptair newish B737-800, 20 Business seats and one business pax (me) with the back appearing almost full.

Business in flight service not bad but again not EK standards, dry so no beer or wine. Only option was Salmon which I cannot stand, instead credit must be given to creativeness of the flight attendant who offered one of the flight deck meals (very nice chicken Captain !!) hope you enjoyed my salmon.

4 hrs 50 on the ground at Cairo, quick airside bus transfer to the terminal and 15 minutes later inside the Egyptair lounge (1 of 4) which was very busy and on the small side, snack selection OK. 2 hrs later after another slick bus transfer airborne to Amman.

Reverse routing was much the same but in daylight, 2nd transfer at Cairo (8 am) was much busier, the terminal was heaving with pax with little seating available, business lounge full but better than outside.

Incidentely, there was absolutely no sign of any unrest or increased security inline with the city itself.

Flight to MAN had 10 Business PAX this time and the back again appeared pretty full.

Arrived back at T1 MAN and whizzed past the border control line by using biometric passport, only to be delayed in the baggage hall because our flight was put on the small carousel 6 which quickly became gridlocked by unclaimed bags (owners stuck upstairs) the auto feed wouldnt release any more bags as there was no room, so frustrated pax started to empty it to get things moving.

If you are still with me at this point, to summarise the Egyptair flight will be considered again for my future travel plans as it offers a credible, well timed and economical option to the near / middle east.

Long may it continue.
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Old 30th Aug 2013, 21:58
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Dual-runway trial

The trial is not for ATC to practice what they already know. It is to assess the effect upon on-time-performance, the measure which is so important to airlines these days. Recent traffic growth at MAN has put pressure on 'Slot 2' which occurs in the early afternoon when the airport has been running on a single runway. Delays have built up in this time, as discussed on this forum. early indications are that dual-runways during Slot 2 make a big difference- reducing delays and holding. The trial has been extended to mid-October, 7 days a week, to allow a more extensive assessment of the benefit. Occasionally ATC staffing availability may mean it can't be achieved.

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Old 30th Aug 2013, 22:20
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Makes you wonder what happened to the bags that were removed from the baggage belt? I wouldn't be happy waiting for a long period to clear customs to then find my bags are no longer there because somebody off another flight was so impatient.

And how often dose this happen at MAN? I know I will get a reaction.

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Old 30th Aug 2013, 23:32
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to then find my bags are no longer there because somebody off another flight was so impatient.
I don't think MAN777 is saying that. I understand he/she is saying that the belt was clogged with passengers bags from the same flight but who had yet to clear immigration. In that case the removed bags would simply be on the floor by the side of the carousel. I don't see a problem.
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Old 31st Aug 2013, 10:29
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TSR 2

Correct

They were just put on the floor.

Belt 6 is in a side hall and used for Belfast flights normally but can be opened up to International arrivals, its obviously not big enough to take the contents of a B737-800
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Old 31st Aug 2013, 11:23
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It is to assess the effect upon on-time-performance, the measure which is so important to airlines these days. Recent traffic growth at MAN has put pressure on 'Slot 2' which occurs in the early afternoon when the airport has been running on a single runway.
Wasn't the entire premise of the multi-million investment, the lengthy planning permissions process etc etc to allow MAN to cope with "traffic growth". It seems ironic that 10 years after opening, a trial is needed to see whether it has any impact upon on-time performance
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Old 31st Aug 2013, 11:45
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It seems ironic that 10 years after opening, a trial is needed to see whether it has any impact upon on-time performance
Times have changed in 10 years notably the arrival at MAN of low cost operators as an example.
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How does that have any baring on runway utilisation ?
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Old 31st Aug 2013, 13:15
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MAN 777 Re Egypt Air

Crikey 1 seat taken out of 20 in Business class is pretty poor, although you had plenty of room.Ten on the way back is more like it, if only we had access to the routes overall yield.

Hope it continues and its a good sign that winter is now on sale and they look as it should be in next year too.

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Old 31st Aug 2013, 14:21
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Egyptair is always full in the back but business loads tend to be fairly poor. When there are business pax, they're usually upgrades due to trim purposes. Hard to trim a 738 when everyone is at the back
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How does that have any baring on runway utilisation ?
More movements at times that used to be off-peak.
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Old 31st Aug 2013, 17:54
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Egyptair trim

I am amazed that little old me in business class could trim out the whole of the aircraft
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Old 1st Sep 2013, 20:25
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Originally Posted by Warrington-lad
Any chance of VIR using B787-9's ('s is being optimistic) at MAN they're due to start arriving late 2014 and could fit nicely on MAN-LAS
I can't see them being used on any MAN ops initially because I believe the initial plan is to replace some of the A340s, all of which operate out of LHR. Time will tell whether VS plan to shuffle aircraft around once all have been delivered.
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Cool

they've just extended the leases on the 744's (2018 I believe), which will be x2 daily from MAN this winter.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 09:04
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x2 daily

Is this correct?
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 09:30
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116D

Virgin answered the question really last week, when they announced they are to shed the A340s but keep the 747s well into the 2020s.

So expect MAN will probably stay double 747 from next year which I think is a good thing, a great plane.

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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 18:58
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CX at Man

"CX also operated a 343 via ZRH"

If memory serves me right, CX also used to go via CDG and AMS and would do seats to these airports , for airport staff, for £25.
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Originally Posted by nigel osborne
116D

Virgin answered the question really last week, when they announced they are to shed the A340s but keep the 747s well into the 2020s.

So expect MAN will probably stay double 747 from next year which I think is a good thing, a great plane.

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starts in Oct/Nov when the 330's go back to LGW for 3 class refit.
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Originally Posted by Ioniser
"CX also operated a 343 via ZRH"

If memory serves me right, CX also used to go via CDG and AMS and would do seats to these airports , for airport staff, for £25.
yes I know, also did FRA for a while, the response was to a post that CX only operated the 744, when in fact they also operated the 340 2 or 3 times a week one summer Via ZRH.
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Old 2nd Sep 2013, 21:15
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Manchester Meet & Greet Parking - be careful please

I'm hoping that this will be read by some of the drivers that Manchester employs to move passengers' cars from near the terminals to remote carparks, some of which are close to Staff West.

You are driving someone's pride and joy and they have entrusted you with its safekeeping. These cars are often exotic and maybe you never get the chance to drive one outside work, but this doesn't mean that you have to give them a full performance and roadholding roadtest!

Whoever was driving that Jaguar at 0315 this morning, you are letting down the whole team by driving so outrageously. From the Staff West bus stop we can see the likes of you all the time, speeding along the narrow lanes. It's nothing to be proud of.
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