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Old 15th Jul 2013, 12:45
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Ref 899. Very foggy this morning, RVR down to 175m at times. An inbound TOM 738 from Tenerife diverted to Liverpool in the small hours.
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"Typical blinkered approach from south of Watford. Stick to something you know about 'arry"

but they don't come by air................... that is the point - if they go it's part of a tour
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wow LJLA is doing fab over four and a half million paps outbound inbounds empty
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Old 15th Jul 2013, 18:58
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CAA statistics show that Liverpool has a slightly higher proportion of non-UK residents than MAN. Data for 2010 (most recent survey covering both airports) shows that 20.8% of LPL's pax were non-UK residents, compared with 18.0% at MAN.
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Old 15th Jul 2013, 19:54
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A rather meaningless statistic though.

MAN: 20mppa x 18% = 3.6m non UK residents

LPL only handles 4.5mppa total, 20% of which is 900k
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All names taken, The figures will have to take into account the 2010 pax figures but still the point you make remains valid.

However, the latest pax figures point to another thing, whilst they are the latest available figures from the CAA, they are already 3 years out of date, a lot of things have changed, such as MAN growing, LPL shrinking, the economy gaining a little and many new routes to bring in more overseas pax to MAN, such as Egyptair, TAP and the very Norwegian Air Shuttle currently being discussed (and I mention NAX not only for that, but a case point given the primary current market ex MAN (and LPL) for them is Scandinavia-UK).
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Old 15th Jul 2013, 21:47
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Guys, this is a Manchester thread. Can you discuss Liverpool statistics on the Liverpool thread. On both threads can we desist from a MAN v LPL pointless discussions. Thanks. Stick to route & airport news.
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Old 15th Jul 2013, 22:12
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On both threads can we desist from a MAN v LPL pointless discussions
Well LPL v MAN cannot be helped as it goes pretty much all the way to the top. From MAN stating 'it wants its passengers back' to LPL stating about NAX 'we can do it better than MAN', it seems the topic is hard to escape.

Also, when you have 2 airports very close together vying for similar flights, it would be very naïve not to expect some element of one vs the other, just the way it is.
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Old 16th Jul 2013, 08:30
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LAX_LHR, the Garuda charter you mentioned earlier for LFC is actually operating from Liverpool, A333 PK-GPA, outbound to Abu Dhabi
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Old 16th Jul 2013, 14:41
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It's flight GIA991 en route LPL-CGK (Jakarta), currently over North Sea headed direction Amsterdam.

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Old 16th Jul 2013, 19:10
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LAX_LHR, the Garuda charter you mentioned earlier for LFC is actually
operating from Liverpool, A333 PK-GPA, outbound to Abu Dhabi
Yes the flightplan were swapped to LPL, and makes more sense given who it was carrying.

In other news, Egyptair have uploaded MAN into the winter timetable, still at 5 weekly. Still not in any GDS systems yet to book however.
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Old 16th Jul 2013, 20:24
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speaking of Egyptair, they seem to have averaged just under 82 passengers per flight in June.
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Old 16th Jul 2013, 20:37
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speaking of Egyptair, they seem to have averaged just under 82 passengers per flight in June.
Well, considering the situation over there right now, id say average of 82 for a capacity of 142 is quite good!
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Old 16th Jul 2013, 20:57
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I'd say it is remarkable. I wonder how much of the traffic has been clawed away from BA/AF/KL/LH and how much is down to the previously pent-up demand for this service.

The EK juggernaut notched up another 60,000 passenger month which my abacus tells me equates to around 80% loads.
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Old 16th Jul 2013, 21:33
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The protests in Egypt didn't really start to gather momentum until 28/June - they had little impact on the June traffic figures.
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Old 17th Jul 2013, 12:17
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Manchester finally has a link to Vienna!

Before anyone gets excited, its only a 1-off on 29th November out and 1st December back!

LS4061 MAN 0735 VIE 1110
LS5062 VIE 1720 MAN 1855

B737-800
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Old 17th Jul 2013, 18:28
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The Condor base for next summer has had a slight shuffle around.

Fuerteventura moves from Tuesday to Saturday:

DE2014 departs MAN 1345
DE2015 arrives MAN 2335

Palma days are altered slightly, but so far the timings don't make much sense.

GDS has the flight departing MAN at 0600 Mon-Fri, arriving PMI at 0935. However, it is stating the return from PMI leaves PMI at 0755 arriving back at MAN 0935?

Rhodes remains on Wednesday:

DE2072 departs MAN 1345
DE2073 arrives MAN 2335

Ibiza goes on Saturday:

DE2008 departs MAN 0600
DE2009 arrives MAN 1230

Kos seems to have gone.

So, gaps on Mon, Tue, Thu, Fri and Sun evening, as well as Sun morning. The summer 2014 offering does not seem to be complete, as all of Turkey, a few Greece and some Spanish flights left to be loaded, so, there may be more flying released soon.
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Old 17th Jul 2013, 19:46
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..or maybe its w-patterns and not a base ?
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Old 17th Jul 2013, 20:08
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Or maybe an aircraft change en route

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Old 18th Jul 2013, 11:09
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or maybe its w-patterns and not a base ?
The timings for the other flights suggest a base, its just the Palma ones that do not fit. It was originally intended that the aircraft would swap in Frankfurt with a MAN-KGS-FRA-KGS-MAN routing, so either the PMI flight does swap aircraft on all 5 days or the times will be changed.
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