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Old 16th Sep 2013, 12:24
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T1 pick up straight in, daughters in car exit in 4 minutes £ 2.80 bloody robbery.
wait for them to have their bags, drive to departures and get them from there at no cost. Increasing numbers of people are doing this and eventually it may mean that these extortionate costs to pick people up at arrivals are scrapped.
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Old 16th Sep 2013, 12:47
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I suspect it's more likely that they will introduce the drop off charge that many other airports have. Expect to see the queue up the T1 Departures ramp stretching back onto the M56 on the day they do that!
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Originally Posted by LN-KGL
A6-EHJ flew ETD21/22 today
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Old 16th Sep 2013, 14:08
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LAX-LHR

Unfortunately due to the 'offending' post being removed I cannot
comment on what you perceived as being offensive about my previous post.
I am not in favour of censorship.

I hope that your future posts will be more positive in outcome.

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Old 16th Sep 2013, 18:24
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Shed on a pole,

Can understand why slots applied for may be of interest, however happens so often, I agree with others might be better to wait until a service is announced.

Lost count how many slots applied for by carriers in the UK have not gone any further. Im from Brum and could right a long list of ours going the same way.

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Old 16th Sep 2013, 20:42
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Were there any issues this morning at Manchester (specific to T2 ?) noticed that the majority of the first wave of Monarch and Thomson departures were late, and these delays knocked on for the remainder of the day (also noted a Thomson Airways flight from Zante to Manchester diverted into East Midlands, not sure if this was related ?)
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Old 17th Sep 2013, 00:33
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Failure of LDCS (checkin system) which TOM and MON use, which affected the first wave departures for both airlines. The 0600-0700 flights weren't departing until 1000-1100 which then meant lack of available stands for the longhaul arrivals.


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Old 17th Sep 2013, 00:45
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Slot Applications

Nigel - I fully respect your point of view on the subject of publicising slot applications, and certainly most major airports can list many occasions on which slot applicants have not followed through to service launch. However, that is a normal feature of the airline business. A company may apply for slots at (for example) three potential destination airports in the full knowledge that only one will eventually be selected for the deployment of scarce resources. The advance slot allocation smooths the start-up process at destination once the final decision is made; slots elsewhere not required can easily be returned to the pool.

However, I respectfully disagree with your assertion that it is better not to know which carriers are showing interest in serving an airport. Why is ignorance preferable to knowledge? The airline which hands back unused slots this season could be the new operator of next season. It happens. Some enthusiasts may be disappointed when an airline they dreamed about fails to show up, and perhaps they would have preferred never to have entertained the possibility of the exotic new tail. However, for those who work in the industry a comprehensive knowledge of trends in the marketplace is a very valuable thing. It pays to be as fully informed as possible, and whilst this forum welcomes enthusiasts it ultimately strives to meet the needs of aviation professionals. News of slot applications has a place here.

I don't blame anybody who chooses to skip over reports of slot applications or those who attach no credence to them. However, I do not extend that understanding to a scenario which would see those who are interested in such information denied access to it. Live and let live, if you like. Those who wish to disregard slot info can do so; those interested in it can enjoy access to it. The "provisional" nature of slot applications is widely understood and accepted by those within the industry. And remember too, whilst many slot applications do fall by the wayside there is also the other side of the coin: genuine new services make their first appearance as slot applications too.

If we are to wait for press releases announcing new services we might as well shut down this forum and just read the mainstream media or an airport PR twitter feed. Although on second thoughts, some of MAN's services don't get a mention in the press even when they are launched ...


P.S. I see that PPRuNe's software has subtly changed the name of a well-known internet phenomenon beloved of celebrity obsessives and sycophants to read "PPRuNe" instead. Hmmmm ... well if you really want to be thought of as a substitute for them it is your choice, I suppose! :-)

There must be good money in it, anyway ... they who must not be mentioned have a big money stockmarket flotation coming up.

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Old 17th Sep 2013, 08:39
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Shed,

You make some good points here , and sure MAN will see some new services next year too.

There is a lot of posturing in the aviation business. For example RAM applied for slots at BHX this year but it was only to put pressure to get a better deal out of LHR and when they did they cancelled BHX ones.

Crikey you have me at it now lol

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Old 17th Sep 2013, 16:39
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Speedy through T1

Travelled through T1 at Manchester on 4 September and, having heard about the long queues etc was very pleasantly surprised at the speed of getting through. Had already checked in online so just used bag drop, then there was no queue at all going through security at 10:30am - perhaps it is the quietest time of the day. Haven't used T1 for some years, usually go from T2 and was very impressed with the cleanliness and quality of the terminal and shops etc. The only problem was the boarding next to the Emirates A380 - 600 plus people in a small area and the tannoy system wasn't working. It was chaotic really. Thought I might end up on Emirates by mistake but no such luck, had to put up with Thomas Cook (but that's another story)
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Old 18th Sep 2013, 14:27
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Took the JP flight to LJU last saturday. It is a seasonal route with two weekly flights. I was wondering what the concept behind this route is? Is Slovenia heavily marketed as a holiday destination in England? With just two weekly flights operating in the summer period, there will hardly be any business pax (in fact there were not C class passengers on board on my flight) and Manchester is probably not a top tourist destination for Slovenians.

The CR9 was about half full and most passengers seemed to be older folks from England. Indeed deplaning the incoming flight took a little bit longer than expected as a handful of few passengers could hardly walk and had to be lifted off the aircraft.

All in all, it seemed to be a rather odd route to me.
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Old 18th Sep 2013, 15:07
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Adria Fares

virginblue - Just out of curiosity, was your flight part of a package or did you book the Adria fare in its own right? I have in the past considered booking this route as Slovenia is a very attractive destination. However, the Adria website has (for me) always thrown up outrageously high fares (multiple hundreds of Euros) which only a madman would consider paying. Their website is dire too ... just try finding a decent timetable of their services. Good luck to anyone who tries to book with them without already knowing their schedule.

It seems to me that most of their scheduled capacity from MAN is block purchased by 'Lakes & Mountains' tour operators (who no doubt have access to sensible pricing). MAN-LJU is a niche route offering only around 160 return seats weekly on a seasonal basis. Adria don't appear interested in marketing the MAN service directly to independent travellers. If they eventually decide to offer fares pitched anything below eyewateringly stratospheric, let me know and I might be interested!
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Old 18th Sep 2013, 15:22
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Route operated since the sixties (Yes that's right !)

Lots of old dears on packages to Lake Bled - they like 10 day trips so two weekly achieves that.

We have even had services in the winter for skiers in the past.

It is effectively a charter flight really.
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Old 18th Sep 2013, 15:23
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Adria

An odd airline living in the past I'm afraid with the present day catching up on them very fast. They are in dire financial trouble and are trying hard to stay afloat.

It's a shame really. Slovenia is one of the most beautiful and naturally diverse countries in Europe but it has a population smaller than Greater Manchester.
The capital Ljubljana is also a beautiful town (small too) and beloved by tourists who throng to it in the summer from mostly Germany, Austria and central Europe.
Price conscious Slovenes drive over the border and use RYR services out of Ronchi Airport near Trieste.

Despite the Adria service and despite living close enough to MAN, driving to STN and getting the EZY flight has always worked out at less than half the cost of those ridiculous prices on offer from Adria.
If and when Adria fly into the history books, I hope EZY will consider a MAN-LJU route. Maybe they should talk to Lakes and Mountains too.
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Old 18th Sep 2013, 15:33
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I visited Slovenia this year by flying BHX-TRS with FR and hiring a car from there. It is a beautiful country and LJU a great place for a night out with lots of trendy bars. Loved it for the scenery, weather and the fact it isn't over-run by plagues of Brits abroad.

Adria used to fly BHX-LJU as well as MAN-LJU until about three years ago, once a week, like the MAN service it was block booked by tour operators, Inghams if I remember rightly.

I see from their route map Adria have virtually given up on the UK they don't even fly to London! I reckon this will be a route for EZY from MAN in the future.
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Old 18th Sep 2013, 18:40
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Before the split, wasn't Yugoslavia the second only to Spain for holidaying Brits?

Used to baffle me how the three airlines and their crews (JAT, Inex Adria and Aviogenex) from one country could be so completely different - we know now...
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Old 18th Sep 2013, 18:58
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Took the JP flight to LJU last saturday. It is a seasonal route with two weekly flights. I was wondering what the concept behind this route is? Is Slovenia heavily marketed as a holiday destination in England? With just two weekly flights operating in the summer period, there will hardly be any business pax (in fact there were not C class passengers on board on my flight) and Manchester is probably not a top tourist destination for Slovenians.

The CR9 was about half full and most passengers seemed to be older folks from England. Indeed deplaning the incoming flight took a little bit longer than expected as a handful of few passengers could hardly walk and had to be lifted off the aircraft.

All in all, it seemed to be a rather odd route to me.
While it may be and "odd" route, why were you on the flights, do you include yourself as "older folks" from England, if not then other people could be using the route for the same reason as you do.

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Old 19th Sep 2013, 06:28
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Lufthansa have just diverted an A380 to MAN on a medical emergency.

That now makes at least one of each of the entire Lufthansa long haul fleet to visit MAN, and only the 2nd airline to send an A380 to MAN.
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Old 19th Sep 2013, 07:26
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Cool

When did their 747-8I visit MAN?
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Old 19th Sep 2013, 07:38
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Cheers spanners, forgot about the B747-800, but then it seems a rather forgettable aircraft in general.
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