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Old 11th Oct 2012, 18:40
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Agree absolutely.

The irony is, this stupid MAN/LPL spat is exclusively between anoraks and enthusiasts.

Some might be amazed to learn that, in 'the biz", relations between all the northwest airports are remarkably cordial.

Let's cut the rivalry crap and focus on aviation, eh?

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Old 11th Oct 2012, 19:01
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jeez the sanctimonious patronising claptrap spouted in here gets worse by the day.
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Old 11th Oct 2012, 19:24
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i.e. there is a spotters forum elsewhere.

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Old 11th Oct 2012, 21:21
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According to Airline routes..Biman are to out of MAN and wont be returning.

Crikey wish theyd make up their mind after the second restart

BIMAN Bangladesh Airlines Oct – Dec 2012 Europe Operation Changes | Airline Route – Worldwide Airline Route Updates

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Old 11th Oct 2012, 21:24
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Stick to the topic. Winding up people is a fruitless and annoying pastime. The thread WILL be closed if the topic is ignored and gives way to personal agendas.

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Northwest business news article this morning predicts Easyjet will expand
rapidly at Manchester
News**/**easyJet expecting further Manchester growth THEBUSINESSDESK.COM




NO-frills airline easyJet is expecting to continue its rapid recent growth at Manchester Airport, and is confident its switch to allocated seating will woo more business travellers.
UK commercial manager Ali Gayward told TheBusinessDesk.com that from next February its operations from Manchester - which it has served for just four years - will be on a par with Liverpool John Lennon, where it has had a base since 1997.
She said: "We always knew Manchester's potential, so the growth here does not surprise us at all. I am sure before much longer it will be bigger than Liverpool, but it is a bigger city and has a much larger catchment area, across to Yorkshire and down to Stafford, and of course corporate infrastructure.
"Manchester is the second-largest aviation market in the UK and there remains a huge opportunity for us here."

Manchester's growth would not come at the expense of Liverpool, she stressed: "We have just flown our 30 millionth passenger there, so it remains a strategically important airport for easyJet, which as the country's largest airline wants to grow its presence everywhere.

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Old 13th Oct 2012, 00:09
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MAN-VCE from 14 February -2-4-6-
MAN-AYT from 26 March -2--5--
MAN-JMK from 20 April --3--6-
MAN-JTR from 15 May --3----
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Old 13th Oct 2012, 01:53
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Quote: The decision was nothing to do with the train franchise as it was being worked on for some months before the announcement of the loss of the train franchise. It was sparked off by the fact bmi was taken over by BA and there would be no competition on LHR - MAN anymore. And Branson always likes the opportunity to take a pop at BA

Quote: I think the last minute hokey cokey all over this suggests it became a priority when Virgin lost the trains franchise. They are clearly not unrelated, the left hand ought to have some idea what the right hand is doing.

Probably linked to the fact that VS had leased out 3 slots pairs but has to use them to be eligible for the ABZ/EDI that BA has to lose, hence 3 daily LHR-MAN.

GLA next?

This was probably devised from the time that BA took over BD, and so pre-dates the event where Virgin Trains lost the franchise.

VS and Virgin Trains are also completely different organisations

Quote: l was speaking to a senior guy in Air Canada at LHR who said they had approached VS regarding a domestic link to Manchester from Heathrow as soon as knew they would loose the Star Alliance link with BMI to connect with their flights in LHR. Apparently they estimate that 200+ pax per day from MAN connect in Heathrow on AC flights to Canada, and they wanted an alterative to British Airways MAN/LHR.

Does this put VS one step closer to joining the Star Alliance?
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Old 13th Oct 2012, 11:50
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How is EK doing? Any need for a possible 4th daily flight to be started next year or a 2nd daily A380?
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Old 13th Oct 2012, 16:30
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No idea in respect of yields but load factor was around 79% for July & August but both were affected no doubt by Ramadan and it appears that August was a record.

September's figures are due out Monday.

August was still 61827 up 11% by far the best of the UK stations percentage wise. Looking back through libhomeradar, August saw 13 x 489 seat aircraft (per planespotters.net), 15 x 517 seat aircraft and three 77W's again assuming the data is accurate.

This has helped load factor and the same can be said for July with 9 x 487 seat A380 used. However EK have done this on a lot of their routes and they seem very flexible whether it is an A380 or two/three class 77W or two/three class A332.

The last 12 months per the CAA are as follows: -

August 61827
July 57691
June 51698
May 43590
April 54993
March 61528
February 57588
January 59468
December 55148
November 50612
October 52502
September 59853

The annual figure for 2011 was 637866 and for 2010 it was 565575 giving an increase of 13% per the CAA

Other UK airports for 2011 - LHR +6% (all airlines), BHX +1%, GLA +2%, NCL flat and LGW -2%.

In terms of "bums on seats" it seems Emirates is more than holding its own. I believe load factors were much higher when the service was twice daily, which is understandable and EK didn't suffer such an adverse percentage drop as Qatar when they increased to double daily. However Qatar's figures now that it is at 10 weekly look much stronger.

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Old 13th Oct 2012, 19:36
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I think we need to look a little bit closer on Emirates at MAN. Emirates has been been growing below the international scheduled segment average, and has even shown two months with negative growth this summer. The graph below is based on the CAA statistics for the Emirates number and the basis for the international schduled numbers came from the monthly traffic reports on the MAN webpage.


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Old 13th Oct 2012, 20:29
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Your year has 17 months ?......The 17 month Int sch figures are still above 10%....ie: trending upwards.

How are Emirates doing at Oslo - all good I hope!

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The graph is showing the 12 month figures for the last 17 months, and as you see Emirates has a lower year around growth compared with scheduled international flights from June this year (Emirates is performing worse than the average). Between May 2011 and May 2012 MAN and Emirates had an almost identical growth. The rolling year curves are perfect to show trends.

If you look at monthly changes you see how well or bad each month performed compared with the same month one year ago. Emirates had two really bad months this year - May and July - both with a decline compared with the same months one year ago.

Since we are talking about an airline from a Muslim country we always have to look out for the Ramadan period. This year's Ramadan lasted from 20 July to 18 August and last year from 1 August to 30 August. The Ramadan period you will inevitably fewer passengers and a boost at the Eid ul-Fitr that mark the end of Ramadan. You can see the result of this both this year and last year.

We are of the lucky few without Emirates, but Qatar is doing it quite well.

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Old 13th Oct 2012, 23:28
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I believe August were the highest pax loads they have ever had

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Thanks for the stats! Just asking cause in a while ago I read EK would launch a fourth daily flight on 1st June 2013.
Meanwhile capacity increases took place at LHR, NCL, GLA and DUB.
Don't know if an additional flight is necesary, maybe later in 2013.
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Manchester increased in summer when the A330 in morning was replaced with B773

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Old 14th Oct 2012, 14:50
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I never had you down as an airline snob but will have to
change my opinion I see - from your last sentence.
You'll have a go at Ryanair next.....

Success breeds jealousy breeds snobbery - as they say.

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First I'm anal and now I'm a snobb - what's next mickyman?
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LN-KGL pls tell us was is the matter with EK and we have QR and EY also so
no problem (well there is because EY has returned to Abu Dhabi with no arrival time showing at all)

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Nothing is next - I enjoy your analysis (is this where you get anal from?)
and your reality check stats are always reliably fun.

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