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Don't know if anybody has realised but this airline is part of the HNA Group (Hainan). Brilliant for manchester as cargo is needed from china directly coming to manchester. But I reckon This has got something to do with Hainan airlines! 
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When it comes to faith, your evangelical support of Heathrow is laudable, the problem is you consistently provide a raft of forensic evaluation in relation to Manchester whilst being highly selective when it comes to a fuller evaluation down South.
There seems to be an awful lot of “build and be damned” rhetoric, based on looking backwards when infact what you should be doing is actually looking forward !
What of the monumental increases of passenger flows to other mega hubs from secondary airports in both UK and indeed the EEC.
Is LHR the still the airport of choice, West maybe but East ?
What about "trends" and the impact of possible even larger super Hubs at Istanbul and Dubai. These may well impact our "new" direct routes Hong Kong , China etc BUT will they not effect LHR as well ?
What about capacity constraints in the South East that will be imposed by a 3 runway at Heathrow, this will actually decrease overall movements in the South East that is a fact put forward by NATS, where does the other traffic go ?
The impact of ALL such factors deserves discussion, a sense of balance using your aviation background would just occasionally benefit the debate !
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Don't know if anybody has realised but this airline is part of the HNA Group (Hainan). Brilliant for manchester as cargo is needed from china directly coming to manchester. But I reckon This has got something to do with Hainan airlines!
As far as I know, its a movement of livestock to Hohhot. They happen every few years, previous flights were run by China Southern.
As far as I know, its a movement of livestock to Hohhot. They happen every few years, previous flights were run by China Southern.
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So CLT closure is finally confirmed only BCN of the 4 survives. Notice AA give ORD a rest until 16 April and not 29 March as previously planned.
I don't think many expected CLT to return; the news of ORD is surprising though given this new date will be after the Easter break.
I don't think many expected CLT to return; the news of ORD is surprising though given this new date will be after the Easter break.
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Its a shame MAN didn't keep the CLT route, it was actually getting some good numbers after a slower start.
The good thing is, MAN trans Atlantic capacity is still up for Summer 2015 versus this year.
We have lost Charlotte, and a suspension until April on Chicago.
However,
we have an increase on capacity to Atlanta, an extra 10 weekly flights to JFK, including 3 weekly on an A330, as well as 2 weekly to Miami.
There are also increases on Air Canada to Toronto, Thomson increases a few Caribbean routes and Puerta Vallarta. Thomas Cook also increases a few of their other TATL routes too.
This is not including the Thomas Cook Los Angeles and Providence routes, which, as well as appearing in the TCX website, but also now being advertised on the local radio stations as routes from Manchester.
So, not all doom and gloom!
The good thing is, MAN trans Atlantic capacity is still up for Summer 2015 versus this year.
We have lost Charlotte, and a suspension until April on Chicago.
However,
we have an increase on capacity to Atlanta, an extra 10 weekly flights to JFK, including 3 weekly on an A330, as well as 2 weekly to Miami.
There are also increases on Air Canada to Toronto, Thomson increases a few Caribbean routes and Puerta Vallarta. Thomas Cook also increases a few of their other TATL routes too.
This is not including the Thomas Cook Los Angeles and Providence routes, which, as well as appearing in the TCX website, but also now being advertised on the local radio stations as routes from Manchester.
So, not all doom and gloom!
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I actually agree LAX - It's not all doom and gloom. But the introduction of TCX to more US routes does raise some questions to which we don't currently know the answers.
From MAN's perspective, it is essential that new services like TCX to JFK and MIA primarily generates new business - those pax that wouldn't otherwise fly the route, or at least not from MAN - rather than simply redistribute existing traffic. There is evidence that some of MAN's TATL services to the US are somewhat fragile - the biggest cut-backs in winter that I can remember, together with reductions in pax numbers in peak summer this year, particularly on ORD and PHL. ATL was significantly down also due to less capacity but LFs stayed reasonable and we have more capacity next summer. I'm led to believe that AA to ORD does not get the consistently high LFs in J class that it once enjoyed. It will be interesting to see how PHL fares in s2015 when there is no CLT. As LAX states, the latter did have some decent loads, including in the small J class cabin.
MAN has affirmed in the recent past that JFK is its most underserved route so if this is the case, then the new TCX flights should be a boost, even allowing for the new DL service.
MIA is a fair bit further south than MCO in Florida but will the new flights affect VS to MCO, or for that matter VS to ATL, or even US to PHL? Being only 2 x weekly, there is a fair chance that any redistribution will be thinly spread anyway against daily flights of the other operators. We wait and see.
However, there is a separate argument about the value of TCX flights against those of legacy carriers. Presumably TCX could be used to connect with Cruise Ships but, unlike AA, they can't realistically expect to gain business going on to South America. Essentially though, TCX is O & D, although of course there is some opportunity of connecting pax at the MAN end with flybe.
More flights to the Caribbean and Canada are definitely welcome.
The objective for MAN surely is to achieve real growth overall and without losing existing important carriers.
From MAN's perspective, it is essential that new services like TCX to JFK and MIA primarily generates new business - those pax that wouldn't otherwise fly the route, or at least not from MAN - rather than simply redistribute existing traffic. There is evidence that some of MAN's TATL services to the US are somewhat fragile - the biggest cut-backs in winter that I can remember, together with reductions in pax numbers in peak summer this year, particularly on ORD and PHL. ATL was significantly down also due to less capacity but LFs stayed reasonable and we have more capacity next summer. I'm led to believe that AA to ORD does not get the consistently high LFs in J class that it once enjoyed. It will be interesting to see how PHL fares in s2015 when there is no CLT. As LAX states, the latter did have some decent loads, including in the small J class cabin.
MAN has affirmed in the recent past that JFK is its most underserved route so if this is the case, then the new TCX flights should be a boost, even allowing for the new DL service.
MIA is a fair bit further south than MCO in Florida but will the new flights affect VS to MCO, or for that matter VS to ATL, or even US to PHL? Being only 2 x weekly, there is a fair chance that any redistribution will be thinly spread anyway against daily flights of the other operators. We wait and see.
However, there is a separate argument about the value of TCX flights against those of legacy carriers. Presumably TCX could be used to connect with Cruise Ships but, unlike AA, they can't realistically expect to gain business going on to South America. Essentially though, TCX is O & D, although of course there is some opportunity of connecting pax at the MAN end with flybe.
More flights to the Caribbean and Canada are definitely welcome.
The objective for MAN surely is to achieve real growth overall and without losing existing important carriers.
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A spanners says,
Flights selling well, yield is well in line with expectations, and, discussions for daily flights are already taking place, but, thus far, aircraft availability is holding that back.
Flights selling well, yield is well in line with expectations, and, discussions for daily flights are already taking place, but, thus far, aircraft availability is holding that back.
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I understand Manfods point, on the face of it yes lax is 100% correct its all good news, pax up 5%, 5 or 6 new routes next year, what on earth is the problem ?
Well on the US front leisure pax will I'm sure use the new TCX US services BUT business most certainly will not and quite frankly these should be an as well as, not an instead of, for an airport that has such high aspirations peddled by the marketeers within Airport City !
I notice to that the increase is being put down to #flymanchester, again....
Of course that helps and I for one keep banging on about getting the message out, there is life outside London. On that basis i can hardly complain but just maybe a general improvement in the economy might have more than a lot to do with such increases ! The hysteria in the media and Government re ebola seemingly ONLY affecting pax coming through LHR LGW and Eurostar is a sad but factual analysis of the none recognition of airports outside the South East !
On the theme of Airport City the initial marketing suggested this would be the largest building site in the UK, is it me or have they put all the spades away ?
To the South DHL and the access road appears complete but all the diggers appear to have packed up and gone home.
Well on the US front leisure pax will I'm sure use the new TCX US services BUT business most certainly will not and quite frankly these should be an as well as, not an instead of, for an airport that has such high aspirations peddled by the marketeers within Airport City !
I notice to that the increase is being put down to #flymanchester, again....
Of course that helps and I for one keep banging on about getting the message out, there is life outside London. On that basis i can hardly complain but just maybe a general improvement in the economy might have more than a lot to do with such increases ! The hysteria in the media and Government re ebola seemingly ONLY affecting pax coming through LHR LGW and Eurostar is a sad but factual analysis of the none recognition of airports outside the South East !
On the theme of Airport City the initial marketing suggested this would be the largest building site in the UK, is it me or have they put all the spades away ?
To the South DHL and the access road appears complete but all the diggers appear to have packed up and gone home.
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Don't play the martyr card on the Ebola measures, Bagso. The initial focus on LHR, LGW and Eurostar is a risk-based assessment, calculating that this will cover nearly 90% of all travellers from affected areas. The assumption is that it could well be rolled out to other points of entry as early as next week.
Ebola is a major world tragedy and it isn't really fair to use it as an example of north/South bias.
I agree with you however on the issue of Airport City being oversold. But it's early days yet.
Ebola is a major world tragedy and it isn't really fair to use it as an example of north/South bias.
I agree with you however on the issue of Airport City being oversold. But it's early days yet.
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Metrolink tram start 3 November
Remember, Remember the Third of November. That'll Be The Day when you can begin travelling to MAN on 750v DC as the new airport Metrolink line opens to regular public service even earlier than previously notified. This is an amazing achievement by Transport for Greater Manchester and their contractor MPT. There will be a 12-minute frequency on the service, making a timetable unnecessary.
MAN now really is one of the best-integrated and most accessible airports in the UK, if not THE best.
MAN now really is one of the best-integrated and most accessible airports in the UK, if not THE best.
LHR Press release
Bagso is so going to love this one, only LHR can save us :
Heathrow - Press releases - Only Heathrow can connect North and Western Lancashire businesses to emerging markets
Heathrow - Press releases - Only Heathrow can connect North and Western Lancashire businesses to emerging markets
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LHR Press Release
Yup...Bagso will be reaching for the heart pills now!
I've never seen anything like it. I sincerely hope MAG have a great deal to say about this arrogance.
The message is there for all to see. This is a clear warning too about what HS2 would do TO us rather than FOR us up here in the north.
The press release just emphasises all we suspected.
I've never seen anything like it. I sincerely hope MAG have a great deal to say about this arrogance.
The message is there for all to see. This is a clear warning too about what HS2 would do TO us rather than FOR us up here in the north.
The press release just emphasises all we suspected.
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Wait a minute.
That article / press release.....
Quote: Heathrow is now the largest port in the UK in terms of freight handled End Quote
Really?
Wouldn't that be Felixstowe?
That article / press release.....
Quote: Heathrow is now the largest port in the UK in terms of freight handled End Quote
Really?
Wouldn't that be Felixstowe?