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Hi I'm a manchester spotter and was curious to know about If anyone has heard further roumors of hainan starting up at manchester.
Thanks in advance!
Its been brought forward from June to May according to GDS and it has just been leaked in China as someone posted a picture of the internal Hainan res system, with Manchester 4 weekly from May in there. The fact cargo is being sold should tell you all you need to know.
Why the passenger side of the operation is not being announced yet is anyones guess.
Interestingly, they also intend to launch LHR daily from June. That will be all of the bilateral quota used up again.
Thanks in advance!
Its been brought forward from June to May according to GDS and it has just been leaked in China as someone posted a picture of the internal Hainan res system, with Manchester 4 weekly from May in there. The fact cargo is being sold should tell you all you need to know.
Why the passenger side of the operation is not being announced yet is anyones guess.
Interestingly, they also intend to launch LHR daily from June. That will be all of the bilateral quota used up again.
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"That will be all of the bilateral quota used up again."
Interesting when I queried the increase 1 month back i'm sure Ringwayman said " absolute bags of capacity" with the new bilateral ?
May be a leap of faith but would an airline actually enter a market knowing there is no scope to increase service IF it were successful ?
Thanks to Lax for clarification on Hainan, I for one enjoy the postings of LAX which are at least normally "Positive".
Ps ...Do we have any analysts on here who just occasionally might be able to add some positive postings of their own ?
Interesting when I queried the increase 1 month back i'm sure Ringwayman said " absolute bags of capacity" with the new bilateral ?
May be a leap of faith but would an airline actually enter a market knowing there is no scope to increase service IF it were successful ?
Thanks to Lax for clarification on Hainan, I for one enjoy the postings of LAX which are at least normally "Positive".
Ps ...Do we have any analysts on here who just occasionally might be able to add some positive postings of their own ?
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Re: Hainan
Hi lax_LHR I'm glad you and others replied to me. Just received a picture of someone giving a bouquet of flowers to a load of chinese fellers. I think we may get a announcement by next week or in about 2weeks. The person who sent the picture is a chinese fellor I know who works for hainan in Beijing!!!
Glad to see us securing anouther chinese flight!
Will this make a effect on cathay pacific with Hong Kong?
Glad to see us securing anouther chinese flight!
Will this make a effect on cathay pacific with Hong Kong?
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Bagso if you feel the need to be "positive" find yourself a church, don't mix up faith and analysis, they're apples and pears. I am sure you enjoyed the postings of Egyptair doing well just as much but reality will bite you on the arse.
What clarification did I miss? Is it bookable yet? Um no. Cargo bookings = trucking. As to LHR with Hainan, I assume that with CA doubling capacity on LHR-PEK, Hainan are starting too? #really?
What clarification did I miss? Is it bookable yet? Um no. Cargo bookings = trucking. As to LHR with Hainan, I assume that with CA doubling capacity on LHR-PEK, Hainan are starting too? #really?
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Nicked this from a a.net, take a look for the full post...
Hianan new routes 2015
1. HGH-LAX, APRIL, B787-8, 3X/2X
2. PEK-MAN, MAY, A330-200, 4X
3. PEK-YMQ (Montreal), JUNE, B787-9, 4X in summer / 3X in winter
4. PEK-AKL, JUNE, A330-200, 4-5X
5. NKG-SFO, JUNE, A330-200, 2-3X
6. PEK-JFK, JUNE, B787-8, 2X/7X
7. PEK-LONDON, JUNE, A330-200, D
8. PEK-TLV, SEPTEMBER, A330-200, 3X
9. PEK-CAN-NBO, SEPTEMBER, A330-200, 2X
Maybe London does not actually mean LHR, MAG's STN possibly ??
Hainan Airlines' New Routes In 2015 — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net
Hianan new routes 2015
1. HGH-LAX, APRIL, B787-8, 3X/2X
2. PEK-MAN, MAY, A330-200, 4X
3. PEK-YMQ (Montreal), JUNE, B787-9, 4X in summer / 3X in winter
4. PEK-AKL, JUNE, A330-200, 4-5X
5. NKG-SFO, JUNE, A330-200, 2-3X
6. PEK-JFK, JUNE, B787-8, 2X/7X
7. PEK-LONDON, JUNE, A330-200, D
8. PEK-TLV, SEPTEMBER, A330-200, 3X
9. PEK-CAN-NBO, SEPTEMBER, A330-200, 2X
Maybe London does not actually mean LHR, MAG's STN possibly ??
Hainan Airlines' New Routes In 2015 — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net
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Just drove past one of these in Manchester.......
New adverts released - Taking Britain Further - Your Heathrow
Think I'll go and post my 'MCFC Champions' poster in Liverpool city centre for a similar reaction.
New adverts released - Taking Britain Further - Your Heathrow
Think I'll go and post my 'MCFC Champions' poster in Liverpool city centre for a similar reaction.
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"Just drove past one of these in Manchester.......
New adverts released - Taking Britain Further - Your Heathrow"
Dare one ask is it easily removable or capable of being desecrated?
I await my admonishment from Skippy for entertaining such a terrible thought about our superb and only UK hub.
Of course, MAN has been known to advertise in the Midlands, Yorkshire and Liverpool. Perhaps they ought to give the SE a try (tongue in cheek?).
New adverts released - Taking Britain Further - Your Heathrow"
Dare one ask is it easily removable or capable of being desecrated?
I await my admonishment from Skippy for entertaining such a terrible thought about our superb and only UK hub.
Of course, MAN has been known to advertise in the Midlands, Yorkshire and Liverpool. Perhaps they ought to give the SE a try (tongue in cheek?).
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Hainan
As to LHR with Hainan, I assume that with CA doubling capacity on LHR-PEK, Hainan are starting too? #really?
Unless something has changed Hainan wouldn't be able to launch PEK-LHR as there is already one Chinese airline flying the route; assuming Air China have pulled LGW it's more probable Hainan will go there. Either way, going from 0 to 2 UK points in the space of a month is quite a bold move.
Unless something has changed Hainan wouldn't be able to launch PEK-LHR as there is already one Chinese airline flying the route; assuming Air China have pulled LGW it's more probable Hainan will go there. Either way, going from 0 to 2 UK points in the space of a month is quite a bold move.
Either way, going from 0 to 2 UK points in the space of a month is quite a bold move.
You can say that again, certainly worked well for Flynas .... not
Great news for MAN if/when it happens, but I think I'll wait for an official media release from either Hainan or the airport before I open that celebratory can of John Smiths
You can say that again, certainly worked well for Flynas .... not
Great news for MAN if/when it happens, but I think I'll wait for an official media release from either Hainan or the airport before I open that celebratory can of John Smiths
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Of course, MAN has been known to advertise in the Midlands, Yorkshire and Liverpool. Perhaps they ought to give the SE a try (tongue in cheek?).
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Ethiopian to launch Addis Ababa - Dublin - Los Angeles from June 2015.. Who says Dublin not chipping away at UK ??
Is APD a factor in route choices? Would have been a great coup for Manchester.
So, what's Dublin got to offer that Manchester doesn't on a route like this?
Is APD a factor in route choices? Would have been a great coup for Manchester.
So, what's Dublin got to offer that Manchester doesn't on a route like this?
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So, what's Dublin got to offer that Manchester doesn't on a route like this?
Pre Clearance.
Due to the topography of Addis, plane has to stop en-route to LAX. May as well get the passengers cleared at DUB while the plane gets juiced up.
That way, Ethiopian has the right to use domestic gates at the lax end.
Pre Clearance.
Due to the topography of Addis, plane has to stop en-route to LAX. May as well get the passengers cleared at DUB while the plane gets juiced up.
That way, Ethiopian has the right to use domestic gates at the lax end.
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So, what's Dublin got to offer that Manchester doesn't on a route like this?
Pre Clearance.
Due to the topography of Addis, plane has to stop en-route to LAX. May as well get the passengers cleared at DUB while the plane gets juiced up.
That way, Ethiopian has the right to use domestic gates at the lax end.
Makes sense, and, surprisingly, only 9 mi. longer than a direct great circle route (according to great circle mapper).
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Don't worry. With all the Ebola hysteria the flight won't last long.
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So, what's Dublin got to offer that Manchester doesn't on a route like this?
Result - a more balanced two way passenger flow with a greater premium mix.
Of course, the tax and pre-clearance is a further advantage too.
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I would imagine, though happy to be wrong, this would be ADD-(DUB)-LAX with anyone boarding in Ireland as an added bonus. Remember Kuwait fly KWI-LHR-JFK though don't register much in the UK-US market. Beyond a point in a press release and a dot on the map, I would be surprised if it added much to the Ireland US point to point market.
Nice to see the Virgin B787-900 drop in early evening tonight on the way back to Gatwick after a days crew training around the UK. Shame the BA 787 skipped MAN when they recently did sector training.
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I would imagine, though happy to be wrong, this would be ADD-(DUB)-LAX with anyone boarding in Ireland as an added bonus. Remember Kuwait fly KWI-LHR-JFK though don't register much in the UK-US market. Beyond a point in a press release and a dot on the map, I would be surprised if it added much to the Ireland US point to point market.
Though it's hard to believe now, AI was a top-notch carrier back in the day. It was a popular and soughtafter carrier from the start as it had a unique selling point of being different from the run of the mill TATL carriers at a time when fares were all the same and set by IATA.
Regretably AI later became crap and the advantage was squandered. Traffic levels dropped off and the LHR-JFK section of the route was abandoned.
Much depends on how well ET market and promote the route, whether they can offer competitive fares and attract premium pax, and whether they can grab a share of the cargo business. Failing that, pre-clearance will have to be the factor that attracts sufficient ADD-LAX pax.
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"don't mix up faith and analysis,"
My Goodness Skippy, that is a bit rich !
Selective analysis comes to mind every time you make a post
When it comes to faith, your evangelical support of Heathrow is laudable, the problem is you consistently provide a raft of forensic evaluation in relation to Manchester whilst being highly selective when it comes to a fuller evaluation down South.
There seems to be an awful lot of “build and be damned” rhetoric, based on looking backwards when infact what you should be doing is actually looking forward !
What about other factors, these seem to be conveniently ignored in your arguments?
What of the monumental increases of passenger flows to other mega hubs from secondary airports in both UK and indeed the EEC.
Is LHR the still the airport of choice, West maybe but East ?
What about "trends" and the impact of possible even larger super Hubs at Istanbul and Dubai. These may well impact our "new" direct routes Hong Kong , China etc BUT will they not effect LHR as well ?
What about capacity constraints in the South East that will be imposed by a 3 runway at Heathrow, this will actually decrease overall movements in the South East that is a fact put forward by NATS, where does the other traffic go ?
The impact of ALL such factors deserves discussion, a sense of balance using your aviation background would just occasionally benefit the debate !
My Goodness Skippy, that is a bit rich !
Selective analysis comes to mind every time you make a post
When it comes to faith, your evangelical support of Heathrow is laudable, the problem is you consistently provide a raft of forensic evaluation in relation to Manchester whilst being highly selective when it comes to a fuller evaluation down South.
There seems to be an awful lot of “build and be damned” rhetoric, based on looking backwards when infact what you should be doing is actually looking forward !
What about other factors, these seem to be conveniently ignored in your arguments?
What of the monumental increases of passenger flows to other mega hubs from secondary airports in both UK and indeed the EEC.
Is LHR the still the airport of choice, West maybe but East ?
What about "trends" and the impact of possible even larger super Hubs at Istanbul and Dubai. These may well impact our "new" direct routes Hong Kong , China etc BUT will they not effect LHR as well ?
What about capacity constraints in the South East that will be imposed by a 3 runway at Heathrow, this will actually decrease overall movements in the South East that is a fact put forward by NATS, where does the other traffic go ?
The impact of ALL such factors deserves discussion, a sense of balance using your aviation background would just occasionally benefit the debate !
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