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Disagree, LAX_LHR spends his days trawling GDS and pretending he knows more than he does. If you think this guy knows anything about confidential and commercially sensitive yield data for a Hong Kong based airline then think again.
Isn't it a little "wierd" to state you know yield data for Cathay when you don't? This guy has little credibility when he overstates his "insider" knowledge in such a ludicrous manner.
Isn't it a little "wierd" to state you know yield data for Cathay when you don't? This guy has little credibility when he overstates his "insider" knowledge in such a ludicrous manner.
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Yes, Skip. And advance sales often conflict with good yields, if an airline has to bulk sell to tour operators (etc) so as to guarantee good loads.
I was surprised that although last nights US734 PHL-MAN had only one seat free in the front, the average age must have been close to 70. Apart from me and (possibly) another couple of business types, it seemed that most of the pax were grey panthers on organised trips. Even my (late booked) ticket was well under half what BA wanted to charge me.
Good luck to Cathay - and I think they will thrive - but let's not get carried away just yet.
I was surprised that although last nights US734 PHL-MAN had only one seat free in the front, the average age must have been close to 70. Apart from me and (possibly) another couple of business types, it seemed that most of the pax were grey panthers on organised trips. Even my (late booked) ticket was well under half what BA wanted to charge me.
Good luck to Cathay - and I think they will thrive - but let's not get carried away just yet.
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Chinese airline bids to boost UK-Beijing connections - Business Traveller
Nothing to see here. Move along.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
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"Nothing to see here. Move along."
Well, yes and no. We had been led to believe the London service would be LGW or STN and MAG were pushing for a double deal with the latter. If Hainan have put LHR in the frame, it does seem likely that application would be refused. One would hope the MAN application would be dealt with separately and Hainan would move to plan B for London without any impact on the MAN service. But who knows.
Well, yes and no. We had been led to believe the London service would be LGW or STN and MAG were pushing for a double deal with the latter. If Hainan have put LHR in the frame, it does seem likely that application would be refused. One would hope the MAN application would be dealt with separately and Hainan would move to plan B for London without any impact on the MAN service. But who knows.
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I'm not clear on what basis an application to use LHR would be refused, subject of course to the overall cap on UK/China frequencies. Of course they would need to source slots, but a determined airline can usually pick them up. And who knows whether Delta/VS have found a use for all of Little Red's MAN-LHR slots, which are VS's own (ie not remedy slots) and which become available from the Summer 2015 season. Maybe VS will need to find a home for some of the slots (by selling or leasing).
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Regarding an application by Hainan to serve LHR, this is what was said in that article.
"According to The Centre for Aviation, the odds are stacked against a Heathrow service, due to slot issues. Moreover, there may well be further difficulties in securing the rights to compete against Air China and the other incumbent, British Airways".
Perhaps I should have said 'could' rather than 'likely' to be refused.
"According to The Centre for Aviation, the odds are stacked against a Heathrow service, due to slot issues. Moreover, there may well be further difficulties in securing the rights to compete against Air China and the other incumbent, British Airways".
Perhaps I should have said 'could' rather than 'likely' to be refused.
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Air Canada mainline seem to be taking over the rouge route at MAN. AC1930 from 2nd Oct 2015 is no longer showing 'operated by rouge', and the loaded seat maps show AC mainline B767 seat maps.
EDI/DUB checked for comparison to see if its a website blip (ei fares/aircraft not fully loaded as so far in advance), and dates checked show their flights as 'operated by rouge' into Oct on the website.
EDI/DUB checked for comparison to see if its a website blip (ei fares/aircraft not fully loaded as so far in advance), and dates checked show their flights as 'operated by rouge' into Oct on the website.
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Air Canada mainline seem to be taking over the rouge route at MAN. AC1930 from 2nd Oct 2015 is no longer showing 'operated by rouge', and the loaded seat maps show AC mainline B767 seat maps.
If you select W class instead and then seat availability, it offers you rows 1 - 4 as 2x2x2 seating, which of course is not the mainline config for J, which is 1x1x1 herringbone.
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They had mainline and rouge showing for July for a time until they changed.
If they had any interest in MAN they would of not waited until rouge happened to launch MAN.
If they had any interest in MAN they would of not waited until rouge happened to launch MAN.
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If they had any interest in MAN they would of not waited until rouge happened to launch MAN.
Bear in mind Air Canada served MAN from 1986 before going latterly seasonal and dropping the route at the end of summer 2007. They know the market quite well and aside from a one time loss making attempt in the mid 90s to use YYZ as a hub to connect to the US up against the big boys, they operated 5 x Daily with GLA in winter, it's been a leisure focussed route.
In the new Air Canada world, that's always going to be Rouge.
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Re-launch surely?
Bare in mind Air Canada served MAN from 1986 before going latterly seasonal and dropping the route at the end of summer 2007. They know the market quite well and aside from a one time loss making attempt in the mid 90s to use YYZ as a hub to connect to the US up against the big boys, they operated 5 x Daily with GLA in winter, it's been a leisure focussed route.
In the new Air Canada world, that's always going to be Rouge.
Bare in mind Air Canada served MAN from 1986 before going latterly seasonal and dropping the route at the end of summer 2007. They know the market quite well and aside from a one time loss making attempt in the mid 90s to use YYZ as a hub to connect to the US up against the big boys, they operated 5 x Daily with GLA in winter, it's been a leisure focussed route.
In the new Air Canada world, that's always going to be Rouge.
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Bare in mind Air Canada served MAN from 1986
Some history to the route, but a classic declining VFR market.
On a side note, the bears were not bare, but bearing in mind the sentence quoted, I'm sure you meant bear and not bare..
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Not quite right with the timeline. Air Canada launched MAN in 1986 long before the merger with Canadian. Both served MAN-YYZ until CP pulles out, around the time they got LHR access. (Am I misremembering that timing?)
Air Transat and Worldways also competed in that same space alongside Canada 3000.
I had the right "bear" to start with and changed it. My bad.
Air Transat and Worldways also competed in that same space alongside Canada 3000.
I had the right "bear" to start with and changed it. My bad.