SOUTHEND - 3 The new beginning
LTNman
Do try to keep up. The LYC arrivals board showed 11 diversions when I last looked of which I believe 4 have gone to SEN so far: 2 x F50, 1 x RJ85 and 1 x E190. Of the other 7 one was the BA New York which always has LGW as preferred diversion and there were also Luxair, Swiss and LH flights which use STN I believe. With the wx still marginal at LCY I would suspect the pax will be bussed(?) to SEN unless the outbounds are cx of course.
Do try to keep up. The LYC arrivals board showed 11 diversions when I last looked of which I believe 4 have gone to SEN so far: 2 x F50, 1 x RJ85 and 1 x E190. Of the other 7 one was the BA New York which always has LGW as preferred diversion and there were also Luxair, Swiss and LH flights which use STN I believe. With the wx still marginal at LCY I would suspect the pax will be bussed(?) to SEN unless the outbounds are cx of course.
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Do try to keep up
Do try to keep up
You will have to give me a link then. i am using the London City site at London City Airport :: London City Airport :: Live Flight Info :: Arrivals & Departures which still shows only 2 diverts
but will be impressed with the train service into Liverpool Street/ Stratford for connection to cananry wharf.
13 minutes London City
48 minutes Gatwick
1 hour 5 minutes Heathrow 123
1 hour 11 minutes Heathrow 5
1 hour 12 minutes Heathrow 4
1 hour 12 minutes Southend
1 hour 17 minutes Luton terminal
1 hour 19 minutes Stansted
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I would suspect the pax will be bussed(?) to SEN
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Does that Luton figure include the wait for the bus and the bus ride to the station? How frequent are the buses, can they cope with plane loads of people at the same time? howabout time at security or the walk from the gate to the bus is that included?
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Oh, I'm so sorry. It's obviously a different LTNman who said on the LTN thread the other day that at SEN "there are really strange sad characters who police the SEN thread". But you wouldn't be so rude as to say that obviously.
Oh, I'm so sorry. It's obviously a different LTNman who said on the LTN thread the other day that at SEN "there are really strange sad characters who police the SEN thread". But you wouldn't be so rude as to say that obviously.
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Does the airport have a dedicated coach park outside the terminal? If not that will upset the locals having coaches parked outside their houses
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Does that Luton figure include the wait for the bus and the bus ride to the station? How frequent are the buses, can they cope with plane loads of people at the same time? howabout time at security or the walk from the gate to the bus is that included?
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Oh, I'm so sorry. It's obviously a different LTNman who said on the LTN thread the other day that at SEN "there are really strange sad characters who police the SEN thread". But you wouldn't be so rude as to say that obviously.
Oh, I'm so sorry. It's obviously a different LTNman who said on the LTN thread the other day that at SEN "there are really strange sad characters who police the SEN thread". But you wouldn't be so rude as to say that obviously.
Well you have to be honest, this isn’t a friendly place. I didn’t see anyone attacking me when I condemned Luton’s mid- term car park the other day on the Luton thread because that thread has a bit more maturity.
Most people here are just fine and can disagree with me in a sensible way and put me in my place. I welcome and respect their views and opinions but there is a very small minority here who might have complex issues and need help, as they come across as having obsessive thoughts about what is just an airport.
At the end of the day have I posted anything bad about the place over the last few months? I actually make sure I don't say anything bad about Southend but I might ask questions and post a few facts. I certainly haven’t called any part of the airport a disgrace like I did on the Luton thread 2 days ago.
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davidjohnson6 You’re such a sensible person. Sorry everyone for my thoughts on people here and not the airport. So what was the finally tally for diverts and does anyone know how the airport coped?
Is there a website for Southend photos so we might get to see these diversions?
Is there a website for Southend photos so we might get to see these diversions?
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Yes, I apologise for rising to the various baits that LTNman lays out.
I will simply leave it to others to decide whether his post of 11:17 today bears any resemblence to either reality or the tone of a number of his previous posts over recent weeks.
In future I promise I shall resist replying to posts from Trolls.
Yes, I apologise for rising to the various baits that LTNman lays out.
I will simply leave it to others to decide whether his post of 11:17 today bears any resemblence to either reality or the tone of a number of his previous posts over recent weeks.
In future I promise I shall resist replying to posts from Trolls.
Xmas Eve 1958
There were some good old memories in the posts about Xmas Eve 1958. Inevitably with the passage of time the story has become distorted . This is true of the first two of the preceding accounts though the later posts have done a good job to put the record straight. At risk of boring the non-anorak readers here is some more.
First off I believe the total diversion figure on the 24th was 47, not the “over 50" that gets quoted. There were 3 further arrivals on Xmas day plus an Air Charter Tudor that had diverted in from STN on three engines on the 23rd remained there throughout taking up ramp space. Then on the 26th BEA used a pair of DC-3s to ferry their crews in from LHR. Maybe all these together produced the figure of “over 50.”
The first arrivals were not “Lufthansa Viscount 400s” (there was no such thing) but a Lufthansa Convair 340 and a BEA Viscount. Shortly after, two Air France Viscounts arrived in quick succession after a low visual circuit of the town which must have a roused the awareness of any locals interested in aviation that something unusual was happening. The KLM Connie soon after was indeed an L749 as already noted.
The majority of diversions were from LHR but there were a handful from LGW, Blackbushe and Croydon. I believe LGW was open at first and took some LHR diversions but soon succumbed to the fog.
It is not correct to say that BEA decided to position their ground equipment to SEN as a result of this big diversion. They had already done so since (IIRC) the previous winter. SEN itself only had one set of passenger steps suitable for Viscount sized aircraft, so the BEA steps were invaluable. Their Viscounts did not have integral steps at that time.
The story of the Pan Am 707 was published in the local newspaper. The claim was its arrival was only prevented by the arrival of the fog at SEN on Xmas day. I have always had my doubts as to whether this was ever a serious possibility.
All in all it was a remarkable set of circumstances - a widespread fog that left only SEN unaffected on a day of heavy traffic with (one guesses) an element of get-home-itis - whereas on any other day many of those flights would have been cancelled. And an outstanding performance by SEN ATC in handling it all with only limited equipment at their disposal and a severely congested airfield to cope with.
I was not going to bother with this contribution as it seemed to have missed the boat, but on further reflection I felt some light relief was necessary from the ongoing SEN Punch-and-Judy show on this thread which has now become exceptionally tedious.
First off I believe the total diversion figure on the 24th was 47, not the “over 50" that gets quoted. There were 3 further arrivals on Xmas day plus an Air Charter Tudor that had diverted in from STN on three engines on the 23rd remained there throughout taking up ramp space. Then on the 26th BEA used a pair of DC-3s to ferry their crews in from LHR. Maybe all these together produced the figure of “over 50.”
The first arrivals were not “Lufthansa Viscount 400s” (there was no such thing) but a Lufthansa Convair 340 and a BEA Viscount. Shortly after, two Air France Viscounts arrived in quick succession after a low visual circuit of the town which must have a roused the awareness of any locals interested in aviation that something unusual was happening. The KLM Connie soon after was indeed an L749 as already noted.
The majority of diversions were from LHR but there were a handful from LGW, Blackbushe and Croydon. I believe LGW was open at first and took some LHR diversions but soon succumbed to the fog.
It is not correct to say that BEA decided to position their ground equipment to SEN as a result of this big diversion. They had already done so since (IIRC) the previous winter. SEN itself only had one set of passenger steps suitable for Viscount sized aircraft, so the BEA steps were invaluable. Their Viscounts did not have integral steps at that time.
The story of the Pan Am 707 was published in the local newspaper. The claim was its arrival was only prevented by the arrival of the fog at SEN on Xmas day. I have always had my doubts as to whether this was ever a serious possibility.
All in all it was a remarkable set of circumstances - a widespread fog that left only SEN unaffected on a day of heavy traffic with (one guesses) an element of get-home-itis - whereas on any other day many of those flights would have been cancelled. And an outstanding performance by SEN ATC in handling it all with only limited equipment at their disposal and a severely congested airfield to cope with.
I was not going to bother with this contribution as it seemed to have missed the boat, but on further reflection I felt some light relief was necessary from the ongoing SEN Punch-and-Judy show on this thread which has now become exceptionally tedious.
Tagron
That's a very interesting post - thanks.
I apologise if you feel I've been contributing to the 'Punch & Judy show' and I agree it's been getting out of hand and is in danger of obscuring the tremendous achievements that have been made at SEN in the past six months. No more of that from me at least from now on I can assure you.
That's a very interesting post - thanks.
I apologise if you feel I've been contributing to the 'Punch & Judy show' and I agree it's been getting out of hand and is in danger of obscuring the tremendous achievements that have been made at SEN in the past six months. No more of that from me at least from now on I can assure you.
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I think Tagron your post was timely. "missed the boat"..Nah, Nostalgia is always softening.
I think SEN has come a long way in a short while..I read posts not only on this thread, but others also wishing for carriers other than what they have.
In the case of SEN - I think a time for sitting back and looking what you have is called for..By that I mean, another another major carrier like Easy would be fine, or would it at this moment?.
Say Jet2 came to SEN, and tried muscling in on Easys routes, would that benefit SEN?. I would not wish to upset Easy at this stage...
I would be very wary if Easy came to BLK, would that clash with Jet2?..Who knows as in the NW, we are still gripped with recession, and there is only so much pie to go round.
SEN is different..London is not really affected by the double dip recession, being a fringe London airport..But still, Easy have been good for SEN, and care would have to be taken, when introducing new carriers.
Easy and FR cohabit well at Liverpool...But Monarch did not stay long at BLK, with LS breathing down their AGP route
I think SEN has come a long way in a short while..I read posts not only on this thread, but others also wishing for carriers other than what they have.
In the case of SEN - I think a time for sitting back and looking what you have is called for..By that I mean, another another major carrier like Easy would be fine, or would it at this moment?.
Say Jet2 came to SEN, and tried muscling in on Easys routes, would that benefit SEN?. I would not wish to upset Easy at this stage...
I would be very wary if Easy came to BLK, would that clash with Jet2?..Who knows as in the NW, we are still gripped with recession, and there is only so much pie to go round.
SEN is different..London is not really affected by the double dip recession, being a fringe London airport..But still, Easy have been good for SEN, and care would have to be taken, when introducing new carriers.
Easy and FR cohabit well at Liverpool...But Monarch did not stay long at BLK, with LS breathing down their AGP route
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Ernest raises an interesting point. We know that Stobart actually signed a contract with easyJet regarding ten years of services - within this there must have been some stipulations provided over competition. Jet2 might therefore actually not be allowed to operate from Southend in direct competition, depending on the specific clause. However, even if there was no legal requirement for them not to, would Stobart want another operator like that at the risk of souring relations with easyJet?
If an EU registered airline wants to fly between Southend and other points in the EU, its aircraft are able to remain with any technical / safety constraints, and the airline pays Southend the published airport fees, is there anything Stobart can do to prevent such scheduled flights ? The only thing I can really think of, is that if Easyjet get a much better deal on airport charges compared to published rates, then no other airline would be able to effectively compete on the same route, thus ensuring Easyjet a de factor monopoly.
Could Jet2 make money on Southend - Malaga ? Very unlikely
Could Wizz make money on Southend - Poland ? Quite possibly
On a separate note, there is a possibility that OLT may fly Southend - Saarbrucken in the period around Easter 2013 to coincide with school holidays in Germany - heard this verbally from someone at Southend in a position to know last week, and also from a report about OLT in the Saarland news media. OLT do not seem to expect a large amount of Essex or even UK originating traffic on the Saarbrucken route.
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Could Jet2 make money on Southend - Malaga ? Very unlikely
Could Wizz make money on Southend - Poland ? Quite possibly
On a separate note, there is a possibility that OLT may fly Southend - Saarbrucken in the period around Easter 2013 to coincide with school holidays in Germany - heard this verbally from someone at Southend in a position to know last week, and also from a report about OLT in the Saarland news media. OLT do not seem to expect a large amount of Essex or even UK originating traffic on the Saarbrucken route.
SR-online: Nachrichten / Regionalnachrichten (German only)
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