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Old 24th Sep 2012, 17:19
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Could Wizz make money on Southend - Poland ? Quite possibly
They didn't last long at Stansted and Stansted has a catchment area that is 360 degrees and not just in 2 directions. That was a few years ago though and since then Poles have continued to flood the UK so it might be the right time to try Southend.
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Old 24th Sep 2012, 17:25
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Re LTNMan's request for photos of the diversions, here are two by Chris Barrett showing two of them at SEN:


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Yes, in the German article, the airline does suggest that the flights could start again next Easter to SEN.
Do you think A320s of Wizzair would operate from SEN's runway?
I don't think much will happen now until the terminal extension is completed.
One thing else....if these tour opertors/travel agencies are block-booking seats on EasyJet, surely this could mean that there will be less seats available to individual travellers (those who dont want a package deal) next year, especially at the bottom prices?
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Old 24th Sep 2012, 19:26
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Let's rather say: The Saarbrücken-Southend connection might or might not be resumed during the week between Palm Sunday weekend and Easter Monday.

Die Verbindung könne während der Osterferien wieder aufgenommen werden.
- könne = conjunctival form of the verb can
- während = during/throughout, preposition
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Old 24th Sep 2012, 19:51
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Thanks for those great photos. A photo is worth a thousand words but why is part of the apron fenced off?
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Thanks for those great photos. A photo is worth a thousand words but why is part of the apron fenced off?
That's the land which is earmarked for the terminal expansion adjacent to the existing building.
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The radius/direction of a catchment area has much less bearing than the amount of people in it. SEN's catchment area is huge, no matter where that catchment lies. The Thames Gateway/South Essex area is one of the most densely populated areas in the UK. There are also a lot of Eastern Europeans in this area. I suspect Whizz would do well out of SEN.
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To Poland, I would think so. They'd probably be able to stop short of a full tank of fuel wouldn't they? That would save some TOD.
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The apron itself is finished but the fenced-off bit is where the parking spaces in front of the second half of the terminal will be situated. Terminal extension groundwork is all done, you can see electrical cabling poking out of the ground. They just need to start building over it now.
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Old 24th Sep 2012, 22:40
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As far as A320s operating from Southend to Poland is concerned, Tagron has already provided a detailed summary as post 557 on page 28 of this thread.

Here's another of Chris Barrett's excellent images of diversions into SEN today, with the old control tower in the background this time:
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Old 24th Sep 2012, 22:50
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For Wizzair to move or split London operations would of course need a very good reason. The main reason I suggested it is as an overspill from Luton simply because Luton early morning is just so busy. Would Southend offer an opportunity for Wizz to base a few aircraft in London overnight or squeeze in some more rotations at peak hours ?
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Overnight, I doubt you understand Wizzair model. I think this is all wishful thinking.......
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Having had the profound misfortune to be obliged to visit Southend of late,I can only suggest that east european routes would be very profitable since the surrounding area seems to be overun by their offspring and type,assuming of course they exhibit a desire to leave the area,which I very much doubt thanks to our biased benefits system
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pabely - ok, it was dumb of me to talk about overnighting aircraft, since Wizz relies heavily on paying pilots + cabin crew diddly squat and not paying for anything like hotels.

However, the point about Luton being on the full side, and the proposed major building work at Luton currently only being at the planning stage remain - there's probably more latent demand for flights from the London area to Eastern Europe than W6 at Luton can currently provide. Thus, Wizz opening at Southend would only happen if Luton can't provide the space
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Old 25th Sep 2012, 05:04
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Wizz use Luton to swap aircraft about so they end up at their maintenance base. There are plenty of spare stands for Wizz in the morning. Every day is different but looking today there are 15 departures by 7am and only 3 Wizz arrivals. By 7:30 there will have been 22 departures excluding biz jets and 10 Wizz arrivals.

The real issue is the security lanes to get airside although the airport now opens temporary lanes via the old Silverjet terminal for a couple of hours each day which is not ideal but does the job.

In effect if Wizz opened a base at Southend they will just dilute Luton loads so will be in competition with themselves which is what Aer Arran have found out. If it is a new route they would lose the ability to swap aircraft.

Thinking about it more Easyjet operate the same routes from Stansted and Luton so I guess I am talking rubbish but I guess it all depends on total passengers per route whether a route could be split.
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Having had the profound misfortune to be obliged to visit Southend of late,I can only suggest that east european routes would be very profitable since the surrounding area seems to be overun by their offspring and type,assuming of course they exhibit a desire to leave the area,which I very much doubt thanks to our biased benefits system
Seems to be the same in most areas these days. I have no doubt that if Southend got a few Eastern European routes there would be a new influx of immigrants to the town. Luton is over run now with Eastern Europeans who could just afford the air fare to England but not the rail or bus fare to leave the town.
I have seen on many a morning Romanian Gypsies complete with headscarves and large gold hooped earrings pulling suitcases down the airport’s approach road as they head for the town.
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Old 25th Sep 2012, 12:25
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"Having had the profound misfortune to be obliged to visit Southend of late"
Now that's not a nice thing to say. One of your seniority should be aware of the attractions of retiring to Southend. Indeed, it was voted the best place in the UK to retire to:

Southend-on-Sea 'best place to retire' | Mail Online

So many excellent reasons to live by the sea in Southend. It's a great place.

Mind you, it's in the Daily Mail so I wouldn't believe a word of it......
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Old 25th Sep 2012, 18:25
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Another LCY diversion this evening, but for a different reason. A Skywork Dornier 328 declared an emergency and landed at SEN; all safe. Just as well that field on the Essex coast was there.....
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Smoke and burning smell on the flightdeck apparently shortly after departure LCY outbound to Bern.
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Old 25th Sep 2012, 21:13
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Do you know what happened to the passengers from this flight? Were theyr eturned to LCY by train?
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