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Irishlad106
One aircraft tech first thing and no replacement readily available apparently.
maliyahsdad2
Excellent headline figure - haven't had time to check the individual routes yet.
One aircraft tech first thing and no replacement readily available apparently.
maliyahsdad2
Excellent headline figure - haven't had time to check the individual routes yet.
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PAX August
Really impressed with the August figures every Easyjet route has seen a increase in pax numbers and load factors compared to July, Belfast up a further 1,500 and thats a non sun route.
The two Irish routes are down slightly and seem to be struggling to gain traction which is a bit disappointing.
My error I had Waterford down as 3,046 should be 3,946 which makes a big difference.
The two Irish routes are down slightly and seem to be struggling to gain traction which is a bit disappointing.
My error I had Waterford down as 3,046 should be 3,946 which makes a big difference.
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My go at calculating Load Factors:
2012 August Amsterdam 13131 74% Faro 10224 94% Belfast 14778 82% Alicante 9329 96% Barcelona 9050 94% Malaga 8985 96% Palma 5268 94% Dublin 4762 53% Jersey 7038 72% Waterford 3946 70% Ibiza 3844 93% Istanbul 0 Cologne 166
Waterford is increasing, but the Dublin figures are the only one showing a decrease, which I find strange; maybe it is the Olympics scaring people off....?
2012 August Amsterdam 13131 74% Faro 10224 94% Belfast 14778 82% Alicante 9329 96% Barcelona 9050 94% Malaga 8985 96% Palma 5268 94% Dublin 4762 53% Jersey 7038 72% Waterford 3946 70% Ibiza 3844 93% Istanbul 0 Cologne 166
Waterford is increasing, but the Dublin figures are the only one showing a decrease, which I find strange; maybe it is the Olympics scaring people off....?
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I'm not sure that's entirely true. I've just checked the fare from SEN, LTN and LGW to Faro for a week in October and they are nearly the same. Outbound from SEN was cheapest, while inbound to LGW was cheapest. For flights to Malaga int he same week SEN is the most expensive both outbound and inbound; LGW is the cheapest outbound and LTN the cheapest inbound.
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I'm afraid you're deluding yourself again.
The AMS and BFS routes are the only ones which are normally, but not always, lower than for the other London airports. All other routes are consistently similar to LTN and STN, with SEN's often being the highest.
It must be obvious to you that easyJet use lower fares at all their new bases initially to stimulate growth and to draw attention to their new offering. AMS and LTN will have a large business traffic element and that market is notoriously conservative so lower SEN fares serve as an incentive to try the new base. From the look of August's figures they seem to have been very successful in doing just that.
With reference to your earlier post concerning OLT Express Germany, I'm afraid you're whistling in the wind again. As for your comment about " a more recognized London airport (than SEN)", that situation is changing fast.
I'm afraid you're deluding yourself again.
The AMS and BFS routes are the only ones which are normally, but not always, lower than for the other London airports. All other routes are consistently similar to LTN and STN, with SEN's often being the highest.
It must be obvious to you that easyJet use lower fares at all their new bases initially to stimulate growth and to draw attention to their new offering. AMS and LTN will have a large business traffic element and that market is notoriously conservative so lower SEN fares serve as an incentive to try the new base. From the look of August's figures they seem to have been very successful in doing just that.
With reference to your earlier post concerning OLT Express Germany, I'm afraid you're whistling in the wind again. As for your comment about " a more recognized London airport (than SEN)", that situation is changing fast.
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It certainly seems that the EZY flights from SEN are succeeding. Maybe there was a small boost from visitors to the Olympics in August? It will be interesting to view the September and October figures to see if they can maintain a high level (although not so high as August, of course). If OLT Express attract reasonable figures the word about SEN as a London terminal will get around and maybe EZY could start to operate to Germany.....
I get the feeling that the Olympics had a overall negative impact on the DUB-LON routes.
Scheduled pax figures for all LON airports combined were down 4% compared to August last year, while one would have expected a substantial increase in inbound traffic during the Games. Perhaps outbound numbers reduced by an even greater number during that period.
For completeness, the figures are STN -19%, LTN -16%, LCY -11%,
LGW - 2%, with LHR showing the only increase of + 6%.
Scheduled pax figures for all LON airports combined were down 4% compared to August last year, while one would have expected a substantial increase in inbound traffic during the Games. Perhaps outbound numbers reduced by an even greater number during that period.
For completeness, the figures are STN -19%, LTN -16%, LCY -11%,
LGW - 2%, with LHR showing the only increase of + 6%.
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Excellent numbers again which I can only see increasing. It does beg the question "why haven't they ploughed ahead with the terminal extension" though. It is badly needed, both to ease the current morning congestion and to sell the airport to more airlines.
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They have only had planning permission for a few months, also they would not want to start building during the first summer of major operations for at least 2 decades, with all the disruption that goes with it. Better to get the good name for service first then start building during the quieter period.
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Coming from N.I. I have to say that I am very impressed with the EZY service to SEN. First month 8.5 pax rising steadily to 14K in August. Once passenger use SEN they will be impressed. On last trip to SEN plane was on stand at 9.45 and I was on the train at 9.55. SEN now my favourite London airport. Maybe a third daily flight?
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That's exactly what SEN is aiming for, GAZMO. Swift progress through the terminal to the train means that SEN can be the closest airport to London in terms of time distance (LCY excepted). SEN just needs to strive to achieve this throughout the day.
I agree with maliyahsdad2 that it would be unwise to start the building works now; better to wait until October.
I agree with maliyahsdad2 that it would be unwise to start the building works now; better to wait until October.
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I thought the expansion of the terminal was already underway. So why would expanding the terminal be better if left for a while as extensions to terminals take more than a few months to complete so would then impact on next year’s passengers when the terminal could have already been finished.
Small is beautiful and efficient but all airports want more and more passengers as they don’t really want to be a small airport but a big airport. No doubt the supporters here will look for constant growth and will be disappointed if it flattens out. Then, as what happened at Luton, the car hire car park which was a short walk from the terminal becomes a bus ride way. The long term car park which again was just a 1 minutes walk becomes a bus ride away to the other side of the airport and then the advantages of being small will be quietly forgotten.
Small won’t be so good when the fog comes down and Southend’s CAT 1 ILS is not up to the task. In my younger days I used to listen to my air band radio on foggy evenings hoping that the fog would stay away for just one more hour, then that was it, as the airport was shut down for what seemed like forever but was normally mid-morning the next day.
No doubt someone will reply that Southend is hardly affected by fog but it will be and then the advantages of using Southend will be forgotten by those passengers caught up in the chaos of a terminal that is bursting at the seams.
Small is beautiful and efficient but all airports want more and more passengers as they don’t really want to be a small airport but a big airport. No doubt the supporters here will look for constant growth and will be disappointed if it flattens out. Then, as what happened at Luton, the car hire car park which was a short walk from the terminal becomes a bus ride way. The long term car park which again was just a 1 minutes walk becomes a bus ride away to the other side of the airport and then the advantages of being small will be quietly forgotten.
Small won’t be so good when the fog comes down and Southend’s CAT 1 ILS is not up to the task. In my younger days I used to listen to my air band radio on foggy evenings hoping that the fog would stay away for just one more hour, then that was it, as the airport was shut down for what seemed like forever but was normally mid-morning the next day.
No doubt someone will reply that Southend is hardly affected by fog but it will be and then the advantages of using Southend will be forgotten by those passengers caught up in the chaos of a terminal that is bursting at the seams.
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Yes, I remember listening to my air band radio as the fog developed across London, but rarely at Southend, so SEN received some interesting diversions from STN, LGW, LTN and even LHR - mainly Viscounts and Britannias, but also Convairs and DC-6s among others.
I anticipate that there will be some A319s, Avro RJs and E-jets diverting into SEN this winter since Southend really is rarely affected by fog or snow. However, no doubt there will be times when the terminal is bursting at the seams due to weather or ATC delays or whatever, but SEN's staff have a reputation for calmness and politeness so I'm sure they will cope admirably.
I anticipate that there will be some A319s, Avro RJs and E-jets diverting into SEN this winter since Southend really is rarely affected by fog or snow. However, no doubt there will be times when the terminal is bursting at the seams due to weather or ATC delays or whatever, but SEN's staff have a reputation for calmness and politeness so I'm sure they will cope admirably.
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LTN MAN, who knows maybe you'll be diverted into SEN sometime and see what all the other converts are impressed about.
I dont think anyone from your airport is in a position to make disparaging remarks about another... hopeless road access, usually have to walk from the unmade carpark to the terminal as no sign of a transfer bus, that ridiculous fee just to drop someone outside the terminal, the endless security queues, then trying to make people pay more to go to the front, I could go on. Your airport is a dump, the least pax friendly experience of any London area airport. Suggest you look closer to home before you expend all that energy on 'dissing' other airports.
I dont think anyone from your airport is in a position to make disparaging remarks about another... hopeless road access, usually have to walk from the unmade carpark to the terminal as no sign of a transfer bus, that ridiculous fee just to drop someone outside the terminal, the endless security queues, then trying to make people pay more to go to the front, I could go on. Your airport is a dump, the least pax friendly experience of any London area airport. Suggest you look closer to home before you expend all that energy on 'dissing' other airports.
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Having used all four London airports for travelling to and from Belfast with EZY I would have to rate SEN as number one, closely followed by STN and LGW. I am afraid Luton is my leased favoured airport. Sorry if I cause and offence it just my view as a NI passenger
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Was your post supposed to make me angry, was it a post of spiteful revenge? Just for your information I don’t have an airport. You will find that the Luton thread has maturity that is lacking here and that its greatest supporters on PPRune are also its greatest critics. You might be surprised but I agree with everything you say except the terminal isn’t a dump but it is just too popular at peak times, which is only around 2 hours a day. Anyway this is a Southend thread and not a Luton thread so post your anti-Luton comments there where they can be debated and where I can agree with most of what you say.
Maybe this thread should be renamed “Southend through rose tinted glasses” where nothing needs improving and if it does no one must mention it because it will be viewed as being anti Southend by the usual suspects who take it upon themselves to hurl insults as a way to make themselves feel better because they don’t like hearing the truth.
Southend is here and it will stay and according to many has a great passenger experience, which will get even better but eventually the long term car park will become the short term car park and a new long term car park will be built on the other side of the airport just as it has at Luton. The “ridiculous fee” for dropping someone off will be coming to Southend soon just as it is coming to Stansted in October. No doubt when it arrives you will be saying what a good idea it is as it helps to provide more investment or more profit depending on your view point.
Finally if anyone disagrees with the way I see things then have your say and put me right. This is what makes PPRune a great place to be. What lets PPRune down a little is that some people take comments about Southend personally and see posts as though someone was insulting their wife. .
Remember it’s not life and death it is just an airport and nothing else.
hopeless road access, usually have to walk from the unmade carpark to the terminal as no sign of a transfer bus, that ridiculous fee just to drop someone outside the terminal, the endless security queues, then trying to make people pay more to go to the front, I could go on. Your airport is a dump, the least pax friendly experience of any London area airport. Suggest you look closer to home before you expend all that energy on 'dissing' other airports.
Maybe this thread should be renamed “Southend through rose tinted glasses” where nothing needs improving and if it does no one must mention it because it will be viewed as being anti Southend by the usual suspects who take it upon themselves to hurl insults as a way to make themselves feel better because they don’t like hearing the truth.
Southend is here and it will stay and according to many has a great passenger experience, which will get even better but eventually the long term car park will become the short term car park and a new long term car park will be built on the other side of the airport just as it has at Luton. The “ridiculous fee” for dropping someone off will be coming to Southend soon just as it is coming to Stansted in October. No doubt when it arrives you will be saying what a good idea it is as it helps to provide more investment or more profit depending on your view point.
Finally if anyone disagrees with the way I see things then have your say and put me right. This is what makes PPRune a great place to be. What lets PPRune down a little is that some people take comments about Southend personally and see posts as though someone was insulting their wife. .
Remember it’s not life and death it is just an airport and nothing else.
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