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Thank you. What a pain for them, but at least they are safe. I wonder if, when the Holiday Inn finally opens, diverted passengers in such instances might be put up there and flown on from SEN? The aircraft would have to be operational, of course, and that 328 is still at SEN today.
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I would imagine if it were a wx divert, then the new hotel may well be used if the pax weren't going anywhere for a while. The A/C would of course be serviceable and ready to go unlike the D328 currently sitting at SEN.
In this instance, SkyWorks wanted the pax to be close to LCY for the morning flight.
In this instance, SkyWorks wanted the pax to be close to LCY for the morning flight.
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A Table With a View
And finally, news that the Holiday Inn at the airport will open on 1st October:
ADS Advance - Southend Airport opens new Holiday Inn
The fifth floor restaurant gives a good view of the apron:
ADS Advance - Southend Airport opens new Holiday Inn
The fifth floor restaurant gives a good view of the apron:
Good news about the opening of the Holiday Inn, albeit rather later than originally planned. I`m sure it will add still further to the appeal of SEN for business travellers in particular. I`m looking forward to staying there in a couple of weeks time.
Normally I would regard the opening of a Holiday Inn as a rather mundane event worthy of as much debate as a post-curry belch. But I guess it's different in this case with all the implications it has for early morning and late night flights at SEN
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I don't know the immediate geography of SEN..I would be surprised though if other hostelries nearby, could not offer the same facilities nearby - Cheaper.
This airport has come on leaps and bounds in a short time, it struck me that Holiday Inn was maybe not as important as the runway extension et al.
I don't know the immediate geography of SEN..I would be surprised though if other hostelries nearby, could not offer the same facilities nearby - Cheaper.
This airport has come on leaps and bounds in a short time, it struck me that Holiday Inn was maybe not as important as the runway extension et al.
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Ernest, there is a premier inn at near the end of 06 (near tescos on the way to Southend) and a hotel up aviation way which was handy but due to the extension itself is just a little bit further away from the terminal now and one in Rochford (These are good quality places within a mile or so). The Holiday Inn is on the airport grounds itself, on a main bus route and a very short walk from the new terminal and railway station.
On this old car park = southend airport - Google Maps
On this old car park = southend airport - Google Maps
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The disadvantage of all the other 'nearby' hotels is that they are a taxi ride from the terminal whereas the Hoilday Inn is only about 200 metres from the Passenger terminal and 100 metres from the Executive terminal. Hopefully the Holiday Inn might be particularly useful in attracting more bizjet traffic to SEN.
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The restaurant is open to anyone, so it will attract our friends with binoculars and cameras! As a 4 Star hotel the Holiday Inn won't have any real competition unless a passenger wants to go off airport and journey to the seafront to the Roslin Beach Hotel. The photo I posted earlier shows how close the hotel is to the apron and terminal. You can now read more on the SEN website:
New London Southend Airport Holiday Inn Opens | Latest News | LSA - Community Relations & News | London Southend Airport
the five-storey hotel has a magnificent, fully sound-proofed rooftop bar and restaurant, called the 1935 Rooftop Restaurant & Bar; a reference to the year that airport opened as a municipal airport for the public. Guests can enjoy spectacular panoramic views of the airport and surrounding area whilst enjoying their drinks or dinner.
New London Southend Airport Holiday Inn Opens | Latest News | LSA - Community Relations & News | London Southend Airport
the five-storey hotel has a magnificent, fully sound-proofed rooftop bar and restaurant, called the 1935 Rooftop Restaurant & Bar; a reference to the year that airport opened as a municipal airport for the public. Guests can enjoy spectacular panoramic views of the airport and surrounding area whilst enjoying their drinks or dinner.
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Hardly "plane crashes" but what do you expect from the media?
For the record it's PAZT, G-BKJW which suffered a nosewheel collapse on landing. It's an aircraft that I have fond memories of operating many years ago. Hard luck Alan, I hope she's not terminally damaged.
For the record it's PAZT, G-BKJW which suffered a nosewheel collapse on landing. It's an aircraft that I have fond memories of operating many years ago. Hard luck Alan, I hope she's not terminally damaged.
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Hardly "plane crashes" but what do you expect from the media?
I remember an aborted take off and fire engines round the a/c at BLK, makes you wonder - well why
More so when after a 3 hour delay, the same captain talked to us over the tanoid..Not the best feeling taking off in an aircraft that had aborted take off just a couple or so hours ago
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The Moderator has deleted one of my posts and a few hostile replies so let’s all be nice to each other before someone picks up a ban.
I will ask the question again so please don’t bite my head off.
In 2011 I read an article that Stobart might have to soundproof homes close to the airport if noise levels were too high. This was part of the planning permission for the runway extension.
Southend Airport may have to soundproof nearby homes (From Echo)
I am assuming Stobart has not yet paid out and might not have to pay out but to keep within strict noise limits, which seem to be stricter than before the runway extension was built, has the airport imposed bans on certain types of nosier aircraft that might want to operate out of the airport thus restricting business?
Has this or could this affected the maintenance of these older noisier aircraft that has been carried out at Southend in the past?
I will ask the question again so please don’t bite my head off.
In 2011 I read an article that Stobart might have to soundproof homes close to the airport if noise levels were too high. This was part of the planning permission for the runway extension.
Southend Airport may have to soundproof nearby homes (From Echo)
I am assuming Stobart has not yet paid out and might not have to pay out but to keep within strict noise limits, which seem to be stricter than before the runway extension was built, has the airport imposed bans on certain types of nosier aircraft that might want to operate out of the airport thus restricting business?
Has this or could this affected the maintenance of these older noisier aircraft that has been carried out at Southend in the past?
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LTNman - what noisy types are you thinking of? Can't think of any in passenger service to the UK (although Atr's always sound noisy to me).
Similarly for maintenance, the main types currently are B737/757, A320 family and 146's which shouldn't be a problem - any other types which might be a concern (DC-9/MD80, B727, B737-200?) will be few and far between so shouldn't have an impact. To prompt action, sound levels have to be above an average for a period of time - from the article linked to above:
Similarly for maintenance, the main types currently are B737/757, A320 family and 146's which shouldn't be a problem - any other types which might be a concern (DC-9/MD80, B727, B737-200?) will be few and far between so shouldn't have an impact. To prompt action, sound levels have to be above an average for a period of time - from the article linked to above:
Now if the noise from planes exceeds 69 decibels over a 16-hour period, between 7am to 11pm, the airport is required to offer to buy affected homes for their market value – assuming the owner wants to sell.
In homes which register 63 decibels over the same period, the airport must offer to install double glazing or other types of sound insulation.
In homes which register 63 decibels over the same period, the airport must offer to install double glazing or other types of sound insulation.
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Those figures are really low. I have been reading Luton's figures and most aircraft bust even the higher Southend figure of 69dB let alone the 63dB figure.
Luton figures for June are as follows
Less than 70dB 351 movement 11% (Southend maximum limit)
Between 70 and 73dB 987 movements 27%
Beween 73 and 76dB 1,608 movements 47%
Between 76 and 79dB 498 movements 14%
Between 79 and 82 dB 29 movements 1%
Between 82 and 85dB 6 movement
Between 85 and 88 dB 1 movement
Above 88dB 1 movement.
(The 22 daytime departures registering maximum noise levels of 82dB(A) or above during the period April to June 2012 related primarily to ad hoc business jets, involving older generation Boeing 737-200 aircraft and Gulfstream 2/3 aircraft and to one ad hoc AN-12 cargo operation)
There were no daytime noise violations during the quarter.
Does this mean that Stobart is heading for a big bill as only 11% of Luton's movements come under Southend's limit and remember that easyjet is Luton's largest airline?
I have read that for every 3dB difference is double the noise.
Luton figures for June are as follows
Less than 70dB 351 movement 11% (Southend maximum limit)
Between 70 and 73dB 987 movements 27%
Beween 73 and 76dB 1,608 movements 47%
Between 76 and 79dB 498 movements 14%
Between 79 and 82 dB 29 movements 1%
Between 82 and 85dB 6 movement
Between 85 and 88 dB 1 movement
Above 88dB 1 movement.
(The 22 daytime departures registering maximum noise levels of 82dB(A) or above during the period April to June 2012 related primarily to ad hoc business jets, involving older generation Boeing 737-200 aircraft and Gulfstream 2/3 aircraft and to one ad hoc AN-12 cargo operation)
There were no daytime noise violations during the quarter.
Does this mean that Stobart is heading for a big bill as only 11% of Luton's movements come under Southend's limit and remember that easyjet is Luton's largest airline?
I have read that for every 3dB difference is double the noise.
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LTNman
I wonder if you are confusing individual movement noise readings with the average over the 16 hour period. As far as I recall the situation regarding the fact of Stobarts having to purchase properties (or not) would be decided after one year(?) of ops from the extended runway once all the noise monitoring data was available. I haven't the time at present to look into the agreements in detail but perhaps someone else has them readily to hand.
I also seem to recall that there was a very small quota allowed within the movement cap for those aircraft which didn't meet the appropriate ICAO Chapter category for unrestricted movements. This was included to ensure that ATC Lasham's MRO facilities were not adversely affected.
Your inference that Stobarts may be concerned that a "big bill" will arise as a result of the planning consent requirements doesn't appear to be causing them to lose sleep.
I wonder if you are confusing individual movement noise readings with the average over the 16 hour period. As far as I recall the situation regarding the fact of Stobarts having to purchase properties (or not) would be decided after one year(?) of ops from the extended runway once all the noise monitoring data was available. I haven't the time at present to look into the agreements in detail but perhaps someone else has them readily to hand.
I also seem to recall that there was a very small quota allowed within the movement cap for those aircraft which didn't meet the appropriate ICAO Chapter category for unrestricted movements. This was included to ensure that ATC Lasham's MRO facilities were not adversely affected.
Your inference that Stobarts may be concerned that a "big bill" will arise as a result of the planning consent requirements doesn't appear to be causing them to lose sleep.