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Old 18th May 2013, 13:03
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That will be why today's EZY two flights to FAO and two flights to AGP are full then.
What the point here, EZY A319 v EI A320.

I can guarantee you that forward bookings with EI are much better than EZY on some of the sun routes over the next few weeks and this is with EI using a larger plane to. The main summer months will tell a lot...anyway yield is more important than loads. BHD-FAO is doing best.

What will they operate over winter?
LHR and if BE sell LGW slots from October then that, if EI are in it for the long game then EI might drop to 2 daily and wait for BE to leave it from March 2014.

It would be a very bad commercial decision for EI to operate sun routes during the winter months and I don't think they will do it. There main aim will be to try and trim losses slightly.
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Old 18th May 2013, 13:33
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You assume too much. At least one of the Ezy flights today is A320 and full.
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Old 18th May 2013, 13:36
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Well put it this way EZY will have a lot of seats to sell over the next few weeks to be at the same level of seats sold on EI in June and July.
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Food to know you are so knowledgeable about two competing airlines.
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They are both doing good on the route so just leave it and move on
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Old 18th May 2013, 13:51
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That won't happen with some of the BFS heads on here posting.

Some very bitter people here since EI moved down the road.

I expect Jet 2 will do well on FAO once it starts with them offering packages and all that.
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Old 18th May 2013, 14:01
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It must be my years as a red cap for EI that has made me a bfs head.

Never assume.
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Old 18th May 2013, 14:06
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Jamie2k9 with all due respect how in god's name do you even know what EZY's forward bookings ex-BFS are? Staff aren't let known that? And I highly doubt you're with EZY management now.

Just want to say my source in Dublin has said BHD against BFS last Summer is massively down on yield wouldn't say which routes.
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Old 18th May 2013, 14:18
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It must be my years as a red cap for EI that has made me a bfs head.

Never assume.
I wasn't referring to you but more to others as you don't see to have a major issue compared to most.

Jamie2k9 with all due respect how in god's name do you even know what EZY's forward bookings ex-BFS are? Staff aren't let known that? And I highly doubt you're with EZY management now.

Just want to say my source in Dublin has said BHD against BFS last Summer is massively down on yield wouldn't say which routes.
I don't know specifics but I do know enough that EI are ahead of them.

Jet 2 are more of a threat to EZY than EI.

Of course yield is well down on 2012 with routes that EI had little competiation on like ACE, TFS, LPA and move to a route like LGW. I don't know but I expect yield on likes of AGP and FAO is in line with 2012 at BFS. Then cost base will probably be slightly lower to so they could afford to see a drop as well.

June should be a good month so all eyes will be on the CAA stats.

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Old 18th May 2013, 14:30
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I don't know specifics but I do know enough that EI are ahead of them.
But how do you know that, do you have sources in EI and EZY management? I note you work in the IFSC, no airline offices there? So you're relying on source. Not even my source gets the information of forward bookings and if he did he gets no detail.

Of course yield is well down on 2012 with routes that EI had little competiation on like ACE, TFS, LPA and move to a route like LGW. I don't know but I expect yield on likes of AGP and FAO is in line with 2012 at BFS. Then cost base will probably be slightly lower to so they could afford to see a drop as well.
Please don't be naive, he wasn't comparing dropped routes when comparing 2013 with 2012 he was comparing Faro, London and Malaga.
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Old 18th May 2013, 14:53
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But how do you know that, do you have sources in EI and EZY management? I note you work in the IFSC, no airline offices there? So you're relying on source. Not even my source gets the information of forward bookings and if he did he gets no detail
Location doesn't mean I work there, well that's unless Dublin Airport has relocated and I will not reveal any sources here.

Please don't be naive, he wasn't comparing dropped routes when comparing 2013 with 2012 he was comparing Faro, London and Malaga
Should of made your post clearer and I expect that EI didn't expect the London market to be so tough to crack. LHR seems to be holding its own but LGW is a disaster.

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Old 18th May 2013, 14:58
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surely malaga would work during winter for aer lingus ?
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Old 18th May 2013, 16:24
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Should of made your post clearer
Like seriously? When they compare results against other years its usually what's common to both thats analysed.

Anyhow when people who actually know what they are talking about and who work in the industry talk in this forum, the information may be credible for those of you who need it.
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Old 18th May 2013, 16:29
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Well Jack EI wouldn't be comparing yield results over the previous season until the current season is over.....
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Old 18th May 2013, 16:46
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Well Jack EI wouldn't be comparing yield results over the previous season until the current season is over.....
Oh yeah forgot Aer Lingus are one of the few companies in the world who don't do a per quarter analysis.
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Old 23rd May 2013, 07:06
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FlyBe are to cease all London flights from BHD. Can't share the link from BBC website

This should mean EI staying on the BHD-LGW route?
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Old 23rd May 2013, 07:07
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Here is the link.

BBC News - Flybe pulls out of Belfast to London Gatwick flights
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Old 23rd May 2013, 10:32
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Hardly surprising, though sad to see BE's impending exit from Gatwick.

Irony is that CAA figures indicate that BE's loads on LGW BHD have been holding up well - despite Aer Lingus spending fortunes on marketing to try to make inroads. BA also doing well on Heathrow - to be expected.

But Aer Lingus have lost over 20% of their business from last year on Heathrow, having moved to BHD - directly to BA and indirectly to easy.

And Lingus loads on BHD LGW less than 50%.

Remains to be seen what goes on from here.

I wonder would easy do a BHD LGW?
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Old 23rd May 2013, 10:35
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I thought the whole point of EI moving to Bhd was to get better access to business pax and higher yielding pax, according to the statement made at the time. Has it not worked out that way? Is there a danger EI could depart Bhd completely?

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BEs exit has nothing to do with Lingus it's to do with the extortionate fees charged by LGW.
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