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Easy BHD again?? Surely some sence would prevail. I hardly think abertis would be overjoyed with any moves of that kind - after all they basically told EI to go when they suggested competing with Easy to Gatwick from BFS.
Far from being a solution would a kneejerk Easy BHD - LGW not open the door for a significant new presence on BFS Stansted?
Far from being a solution would a kneejerk Easy BHD - LGW not open the door for a significant new presence on BFS Stansted?
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If Easy were encouraged to try Gatwick from the city it would result in Aer Lingus packing up and going back to Dublin even sooner. This would be detrimental to the citys business and they would lose alot more than they would gain. It hasn't worked well for AL to date, the higher yield they were assured they would get operating from the city, has failed to materialise. The switch to domestic routes didn't happen due to pressure from flybe. The last thing the airport need, with the level of debt they are currently carrying, is their only international carrier packing up and leaving.
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But Aer Lingus have lost over 20% of their business from last year on Heathrow, having moved to BHD - directly to BA and indirectly to easy.
And Lingus loads on BHD LGW less than 50%.
And Lingus loads on BHD LGW less than 50%.
with respect, you know the specific Aer Lingus BHD LHR traffic do you?
Overall loads on both LGW AND LHR BHD are in the region of 50%, would suggest that BE and EI are getting similar loads.
easyJet may well decide to do a LGW BHD, and make Belfast base unworkable, for EI but that would simply create an opportunity for Jet2 on Euro Belfast routes. Hence cannot see it happening. Dont see EZY back at BHD for the while, if EZY had suffered on LGW BFS I could have seen it coming, but thanks to picking up EI LHR pax, it has done very well.
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If Easy were encouraged to try Gatwick from the city it would result in Aer Lingus packing up and going back to Dublin even sooner.
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I'd expect the 4th rotation could re-appear in the summer, and seen as there is te tie up with Little Red I'd expect some sort of agreement with VS to replace Flybe's feed from BHD.
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After BE's exit, EZY could certainly pick up the slack to LGW; but we NEED airlines offering interlining and code-shares from NI to important international hubs, esp LHR / LGW.
Virgin Holidays have many clients in NI that need a link to LGW sold as part of their package. Also the high spend clients using BA's long haul leisure routes from LGW, who want connections included in the package. Failure to offer such arrangements will just lead to more leakage to Dublin, and feed into their hands.
Its a shame BE have to go, but better EI than no one!!
Virgin Holidays have many clients in NI that need a link to LGW sold as part of their package. Also the high spend clients using BA's long haul leisure routes from LGW, who want connections included in the package. Failure to offer such arrangements will just lead to more leakage to Dublin, and feed into their hands.
Its a shame BE have to go, but better EI than no one!!
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Of all the routes lost Belfast is probably the best off since there is still BA to LHR, EI to LGW and LHR and EZY to LGW, LTN, STN, SEN meaning there is plenty of competition plus the availability of onward connections via BA or EI (Hopefully the latter link up with BA/VS to feed their LGW longhaul routes).
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I'd say it was a precarious postition for BE. On the one hand LGW turning up the heat on landing charges for smaller a/c, on the other EI more or less matching price and frequency, and their own financial woes - probably best to cut their losses. On other routes they have used the tactic of downsizing a/c at times but LGW no longer make this feasible. Sad to see the route go but they are doing well on LBA and MAN and ok on others. I would hope they would attempt a LTN or STN to BHD to maintain a presence.
I did somewhat suspect BE would go pop first, although it looked unsure for the last while.
I did somewhat suspect BE would go pop first, although it looked unsure for the last while.
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Just checked the aer lingus bhd lgw times. A rather poor time table for winter. Last flight from London at 17:30 pretty early. They really need to change this, the aircraft parks up for the night when it lands into bhd so not as if it needs to fly on. Also notice the 10:50 departure is no longer. Means aircraft is back at 10:15 and does nothing until 15:30 to lgw. Wonder are they planning to put in a European city destination? Also heard there was talk off them keeping the 3rd aircraft for the winter. Anyone heard anything?
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I don't know what the winter is like however for the summer duties the BHD LGW crew cover the EI911/912, making it a four sector day. I'd suspect the return is more to do with that more than anything else.
Maybe LGW could operate a later rotation - I dont have that info..
Maybe LGW could operate a later rotation - I dont have that info..
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I'd imagine LGW will remain 3x daily for now with maybe a 4th next summer when BE pull out. Can't see many more rotations than that somehow, they will want to improve margins.
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Expect AGP for Winter 12/13 with 2 weekly services.
Then again unions cold grow up but that is unlikely to happen.
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Because its DUB base operating it. Aircraft departs DUB at 07.30 and return departure from AGP is at 20.00 on Tuesdays and Saturdays.
AGP-BHD departs 12.15
BHD-AGP departs 15.00
AGP-BHD departs 12.15
BHD-AGP departs 15.00
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That's quite straight forward mart901 because 2 319s will be occupied on London routes at x3 daily. You could prob do something sat pm or sun and cancel London rotations but that wouldn't be ideal.