BELFAST CITY AIRPORT (BHD)
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Summer versus winter snapshot of scheduled passengers movements at the two Belfast airports. Actual flights only, excluding code-shares. A 'route' is any city-pair regardless of operator.
Wednesday 20th May 2015
Belfast International: 38 departing, 36 arriving = 74 on 23 routes
Belfast City: 66 departing, 63 arriving = 129 on 22 routes
Wednesday 18th November 2015
Belfast International: 31 departing 32 arriving = 63 on 12 routes
Belfast City: 63 departing, 62 arriving = 125 on 17 routes
Of course this doesn't consider the larger size of aircraft at International, nor the length of routes, but interesting to see such a large and consistent difference in frequencies. City should really be advertising themselves on the basis of 'twice as many flights as the "major" airport'...
Wednesday 20th May 2015
Belfast International: 38 departing, 36 arriving = 74 on 23 routes
Belfast City: 66 departing, 63 arriving = 129 on 22 routes
Wednesday 18th November 2015
Belfast International: 31 departing 32 arriving = 63 on 12 routes
Belfast City: 63 departing, 62 arriving = 125 on 17 routes
Of course this doesn't consider the larger size of aircraft at International, nor the length of routes, but interesting to see such a large and consistent difference in frequencies. City should really be advertising themselves on the basis of 'twice as many flights as the "major" airport'...
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Summer versus winter snapshot of scheduled passengers movements at the two Belfast airports. Actual flights only, excluding code-shares.
Wednesday 20th May 2015
Belfast International: 38 departing, 36 arriving = 74
Belfast City: 66 departing, 63 arriving = 129
Wednesday 18th November 2015
Belfast International: 31 departing 32 arriving = 63
Belfast City: 63 departing, 62 arriving = 125
Of course this doesn't consider the larger size of aircraft at International, nor the length of routes, but interesting to see such a large and consistent difference in frequencies. City should really be advertising themselves on the basis of 'twice as many flights as the "major" airport'...
Wednesday 20th May 2015
Belfast International: 38 departing, 36 arriving = 74
Belfast City: 66 departing, 63 arriving = 129
Wednesday 18th November 2015
Belfast International: 31 departing 32 arriving = 63
Belfast City: 63 departing, 62 arriving = 125
Of course this doesn't consider the larger size of aircraft at International, nor the length of routes, but interesting to see such a large and consistent difference in frequencies. City should really be advertising themselves on the basis of 'twice as many flights as the "major" airport'...
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Seems that FR have got the slots. BA and the team were in DUB yesterday selling the new strategic plan for city. LGW obviously, but STN also being considered and a very significant incentive on offer for any German routes. I thought Germany was beyond the range of the BHD runway?
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Selective stats can be misleading. You have chosen 2 Wednesdays outside peak season.
Give me another date and I'll do the stats. I'll even try to calculate available seats
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Usual promises
BHD making the usual promises that the runway extension is only months away to FR. Their mates in the DUP giving all the support they can. Shocking! FR will struggle to operate from City, they had a mare of a time last time. Curfew, runway length, fog, winds etc etc etc. Doubt O'Leary will be fooled again. But you never know could be Tourism Irelands last present to their retiring Chairman. Funny old place Northern Ireland!
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BHD making the usual promises that the runway extension is only months away to FR. Their mates in the DUP giving all the support they can. Shocking! FR will struggle to operate from City, they had a mare of a time last time. Curfew, runway length, fog, winds etc etc etc. Doubt O'Leary will be fooled again. But you never know could be Tourism Irelands last present to their retiring Chairman. Funny old place Northern Ireland!
All of the issues listed above are real and haven't changed since they last served BHD....
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What a ridiculous statement that no cares what airline they fly on, I am sure most passengers that fly BA for example care what airline there on and a lot of them including myself who are BA Executive members care and probably wouldn't set foot on a Ryanair aircraft.
For someone so young you do have a consistent attitude towards generalisation of situations.
What a ridiculous statement that no cares what airline they fly on, I am sure most passengers that fly BA for example care what airline there on and a lot of them including myself who are BA Executive members care and probably wouldn't set foot on a Ryanair aircraft.
For someone so young you do have a consistent attitude towards generalisation of situations.
@owenc, are you really a 19 year old experienced business traveller who has spent 3K of his own money on business travel? How does someone straight from school manage that without inheriting? Genuine question. Perhaps take the playground banter to PM, entertaining as it undoubtedly is
Good point, however they do need the feed and if one looks at routes where they have a very close relationship with a oneworld parnter, BA are still flying. Iberia and BA both serve MAD, Iberia with A340s and now Finnair serve Helsinki with heavies too. Key point is that BA seem to have a strategy of not walking away but sharing the spoils. Indeed in terms of UK connectivity, they've just announced INV and LBA is still there. The proportion of long/short haul in this business model is a complex one and slightly fluid. Keeping the frequent fliers down the pointy end happy with their prefered carrier may be the driver here. Aer Lingus look like they'll be in T2 at LHR for the medium term at least so not the best connecting option.
And if they believe that they could make more money on the slots at Lhr, they would drop Belfast like a stone, because that is how capitalism works in 2015, it is all about profit and little else. Something I don't fully agree with.
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Would be interesting to see if FR choose BHD over BFS again, didn't they do rather well last time at BHD?
Personally I'd like to see them at BHD due to the proximity to my home but I can't help but feel if they add many routes and base a few aircraft, could the airport cope in terms of apron space, especially night stops as I remember reading somewhere that the apron outside the old terminal is being utilized now. (correct me if it's a load of nonsense
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Owenc, it seems like you're making "massive generalisations" as you state most people don't care what airline they travel on, do you have any facts or statistics backing up your statement?
Personally I'd like to see them at BHD due to the proximity to my home but I can't help but feel if they add many routes and base a few aircraft, could the airport cope in terms of apron space, especially night stops as I remember reading somewhere that the apron outside the old terminal is being utilized now. (correct me if it's a load of nonsense
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How is it a funny place? Most people simply don't care what airline they travel on.
Give over would you! You're actually making massive generalisations right now!
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So assuming Ryanair are taking on Belfast Gatwick route, they get say 2 or 3 daily slots, let's assume the same timings as the current AerLingus program. This would surely necessitate other flights on other routes or some switching around among the slots they own. Otherwise, the aircraft utilisation would be very poor. Let's also consider they hold seasonal slots at Gatwick used for Seville and Kaunas, which are oddly placed, these could be used on the Belfast route. FR would not be content with #2 on the route between Belfast and Gatwick.
The last time FR arrived at BHD they came to BHD and concluded discussions very quickly, MOL was highly complementary of BHD on that occasion and how quickly they did a deal. Given Bhd staff went to Dublin, perhaps BFS management may be presented with, ' we are going to bring x, miss out at your peril', I think it is quite different this time round. Last time BFS were bringing Aer Lingus base at the same time...
The last time FR arrived at BHD they came to BHD and concluded discussions very quickly, MOL was highly complementary of BHD on that occasion and how quickly they did a deal. Given Bhd staff went to Dublin, perhaps BFS management may be presented with, ' we are going to bring x, miss out at your peril', I think it is quite different this time round. Last time BFS were bringing Aer Lingus base at the same time...
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Good points EI-BUD
I suspect BHD management desperate to get FR as they have just re financed and I bet that the loss of EI LGW will leave a huge hole in the accounts if they are not replaced. Suspect BFS management are sitting watching this carefully as the new guy seems to know what he is doing and the new shareholders seem to allow the management to manage unlike the Spanish, I bet the price for FR is really keen and someone will end up paying the price. We should be hearing soon as the services will start from the summer schedule. Then watch this space as FR pile capacity in here, the real losers could be Flybe