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BOH-BIQ & BOH-TLN appears to be very strong with good pricing and many seats selected even for dates quite far out. BOH-JER is healthy in my opinion too.
BOH-DOL no surprise seems impossibly weak and I just wonder who on earth wants to go there.
But the others? Time will tell - but yes, an airport with duplicate routes less than 29 miles away (less as the crow flies) is just insane UNLESS they are thinking of operational flexibility? They should be selling BOH/SOU as a single DEP point and then customers can chose for themselves if they leave or arrive in one or the other.
BOH-DOL no surprise seems impossibly weak and I just wonder who on earth wants to go there.
But the others? Time will tell - but yes, an airport with duplicate routes less than 29 miles away (less as the crow flies) is just insane UNLESS they are thinking of operational flexibility? They should be selling BOH/SOU as a single DEP point and then customers can chose for themselves if they leave or arrive in one or the other.
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C-130 Today (8 March 2015)
I have just driven past the airport at lunchtime and saw a C-130 - does anyone have the serial at all and know what it was doing over by the terminal? I thought it might be UAE.
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Flybe routes
Its far too early to judge new route sales or performance.
Remember that Flybe have many years of operating from SOU and EXT, they know who on the south coast buys the seats, where they go and where those passengers live. The airline has also at least ten years of empirical data to back up that travel trend information.
The SOU/BOH by Flybe move is a smart one, SOU apron is space limited and pretty much full overnight, the ten stands at BOH give Flybe the ability to schedule more early in the day departures and late in the day arrivals.
For business travellers, most bookings are made within 14 days of the departure date, many less than 7 days ahead. For leisure it is usually much further ahead.
Many of the Flybe routes from BOH are sensibly aimed at the business traveller too, MAN (and cnxns) , PAR, AMS, GLA. Aircraft need to be busy all year, not just in the summer.
Its no coincidence that it is the leisure destinations are filling up first.
The south coast is booming economically too, employment is way above national average, business is growing. For those interested check out this report : http://www.centreforcities.org/wp-co...tlook_2015.pdf
Search for Bournemouth, Portsmouth or Southampton in the report and check out where these cities sit in UK economic terms. This is a high growth area by any measure.
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Remember that Flybe have many years of operating from SOU and EXT, they know who on the south coast buys the seats, where they go and where those passengers live. The airline has also at least ten years of empirical data to back up that travel trend information.
The SOU/BOH by Flybe move is a smart one, SOU apron is space limited and pretty much full overnight, the ten stands at BOH give Flybe the ability to schedule more early in the day departures and late in the day arrivals.
For business travellers, most bookings are made within 14 days of the departure date, many less than 7 days ahead. For leisure it is usually much further ahead.
Many of the Flybe routes from BOH are sensibly aimed at the business traveller too, MAN (and cnxns) , PAR, AMS, GLA. Aircraft need to be busy all year, not just in the summer.
Its no coincidence that it is the leisure destinations are filling up first.
The south coast is booming economically too, employment is way above national average, business is growing. For those interested check out this report : http://www.centreforcities.org/wp-co...tlook_2015.pdf
Search for Bournemouth, Portsmouth or Southampton in the report and check out where these cities sit in UK economic terms. This is a high growth area by any measure.
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Madness, utter madness. You're usually a sensible poster as well.
Although your comment "sensibly aimed at the business traveller" did make me laugh. BOH and business does not work, never has and never will. It's akin to BE opening a raft of business routes at Blackpool. Bucket and spade routes for the grey army and club 18-30 brigade sure.
Sorry if I'm coming across as arrogant, but it's only a matter of time before the embarrassing withdrawal from BOH happens. I guess we will never know why BE chose to shoot themselves in the foot.
Although your comment "sensibly aimed at the business traveller" did make me laugh. BOH and business does not work, never has and never will. It's akin to BE opening a raft of business routes at Blackpool. Bucket and spade routes for the grey army and club 18-30 brigade sure.
Sorry if I'm coming across as arrogant, but it's only a matter of time before the embarrassing withdrawal from BOH happens. I guess we will never know why BE chose to shoot themselves in the foot.
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I take your post seriously, & there is a good deal of sense in there. Generally, I accept it as a reasonable explanation of the situation. But, I cannot see how the two airports can act in combination as if they were just one airport.
My worry is that there is not that much extra business which will be attracted by offering parallel routes out of 'HH. Surely, if the demand was there it would already be using 'HI. Is 'HI so congested that it is unable to accommodate extra services ? I do not think so.
You would think that BEE knows what it is doing;& how to run its business. But, I am not so sure, given how they have been acting over the past two years - & especially lately (Cardiff, Southend, LCY etc.).
I still feel that the two airports do not complement each other & that parallel services will dilute each airports passenger levels.
I take your post seriously, & there is a good deal of sense in there. Generally, I accept it as a reasonable explanation of the situation. But, I cannot see how the two airports can act in combination as if they were just one airport.
My worry is that there is not that much extra business which will be attracted by offering parallel routes out of 'HH. Surely, if the demand was there it would already be using 'HI. Is 'HI so congested that it is unable to accommodate extra services ? I do not think so.
You would think that BEE knows what it is doing;& how to run its business. But, I am not so sure, given how they have been acting over the past two years - & especially lately (Cardiff, Southend, LCY etc.).
I still feel that the two airports do not complement each other & that parallel services will dilute each airports passenger levels.
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Madness, utter madness. You're usually a sensible poster as well.
Although your comment "sensibly aimed at the business traveller" did make me laugh. BOH and business does not work, never has and never will. It's akin to BE opening a raft of business routes at Blackpool. Bucket and spade routes for the grey army and club 18-30 brigade sure.
Sorry if I'm coming across as arrogant, but it's only a matter of time before the embarrassing withdrawal from BOH happens. I guess we will never know why BE chose to shoot themselves in the foot.
Madness, utter madness. You're usually a sensible poster as well.
Although your comment "sensibly aimed at the business traveller" did make me laugh. BOH and business does not work, never has and never will. It's akin to BE opening a raft of business routes at Blackpool. Bucket and spade routes for the grey army and club 18-30 brigade sure.
Sorry if I'm coming across as arrogant, but it's only a matter of time before the embarrassing withdrawal from BOH happens. I guess we will never know why BE chose to shoot themselves in the foot.
Flitefone makes perfect sense in what he is saying to me too.
How can you say that 'business does not work, never has and never will'?
We live in different times and I bet there's lots of business travellers from the Dorset region travelling to Southampton to go to Manchester or such like and many of them would prefer to travel from Bournemouth due to convenience. Having extra Flybe flights from Bournemouth can only increase Flybe's capacity and adaptabilty like Flitefone stated.
Bournemouth could be Southampton West or Southampton could be Bournemouth East!
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I really can't understand your intolerance of Bournemouth Airport success. At the end of the day, people's job are on the line and your continued antithesis to EGHH is getting tiresome.
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I have no problem with flitefone or his views.
To associate BOH with business is however madness. Unless you can remind me of a single airline that has managed to make it work? How long did BE's MAN route last? EI's DUB route still around? Even FR have not touched business routes despite the fact their business model is about as flexible as it gets.
We all know BE have got into bed with MAN and as far as I can see are happy to cut off their nose to spite their face. this will not work, end of story.
My intolerance is of the fact there are too many airports in this country that are being kept alive by cottage industries and in the meantime acting as a tumour to their more successful neighbours. Just when you thought BLK and MSE finally got the message there is talk of them reopening.
And if you are talking about jobs how about the ones at SOU who have worked the best part of a decade to help BE grow to the size it is now not to mention being on the back of a hugely successful year of growth. Despite all this BE seem happy to spit in their face for the sake of opening a base 30 mins down the road at a flawed airport that no one can get to or even drop their loved ones off without being fleeced?
To associate BOH with business is however madness. Unless you can remind me of a single airline that has managed to make it work? How long did BE's MAN route last? EI's DUB route still around? Even FR have not touched business routes despite the fact their business model is about as flexible as it gets.
We all know BE have got into bed with MAN and as far as I can see are happy to cut off their nose to spite their face. this will not work, end of story.
My intolerance is of the fact there are too many airports in this country that are being kept alive by cottage industries and in the meantime acting as a tumour to their more successful neighbours. Just when you thought BLK and MSE finally got the message there is talk of them reopening.
And if you are talking about jobs how about the ones at SOU who have worked the best part of a decade to help BE grow to the size it is now not to mention being on the back of a hugely successful year of growth. Despite all this BE seem happy to spit in their face for the sake of opening a base 30 mins down the road at a flawed airport that no one can get to or even drop their loved ones off without being fleeced?
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BOH flawed, care to elaborate without causing libel?
I don't want to go down the route of HI V HH.
For any private business to have survived the last 7 years of economic stagnation and still be in business it must be doing something right ie making a profit. BOH have a diverse customer base with GA, Commercial and Training, moving into the commercial business market only widens Bournemouth's appeal to airlines.
Flybe must be congratulated on taking the risk of flying from BOH where others have feared to tread recently, and I hope it goes well for them this year. Admittedly some of the routes (DOL) are a bit bizarre but who knows it might tap into the daytripper who go from Poole to Cherbourg on the ferry, giving them extra time in France (long shot!).
Like FLitefone said it could free up space at EGHI and improve things there...
I don't want to go down the route of HI V HH.
For any private business to have survived the last 7 years of economic stagnation and still be in business it must be doing something right ie making a profit. BOH have a diverse customer base with GA, Commercial and Training, moving into the commercial business market only widens Bournemouth's appeal to airlines.
Flybe must be congratulated on taking the risk of flying from BOH where others have feared to tread recently, and I hope it goes well for them this year. Admittedly some of the routes (DOL) are a bit bizarre but who knows it might tap into the daytripper who go from Poole to Cherbourg on the ferry, giving them extra time in France (long shot!).
Like FLitefone said it could free up space at EGHI and improve things there...
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As someone who works at bournemouth I can now see your point of view. I will resign immediately and try to persuade my colleagues to do so too. That way we will no longer be a 'tumour' acting as a drain on Southampton. I shall also begin to ask the various businesses to wind up as obviously 'cottage industries' like Cobham, Ctc,MCA etc have no right to trade.
Personally, I'd like to see no airports closing,
;saying that one airport has a right to exist and that an airline that dares to go elsewhere ' spits in its face' and others should close to save that particular airport is pretty arrogant to say the least.
Regarding the drop off fee... Nobody likes it, it was financially vital...nobody HAS to pay it as they are free to go elsewhere if they feel that strongly about it.
As someone who works at bournemouth I can now see your point of view. I will resign immediately and try to persuade my colleagues to do so too. That way we will no longer be a 'tumour' acting as a drain on Southampton. I shall also begin to ask the various businesses to wind up as obviously 'cottage industries' like Cobham, Ctc,MCA etc have no right to trade.
Personally, I'd like to see no airports closing,
;saying that one airport has a right to exist and that an airline that dares to go elsewhere ' spits in its face' and others should close to save that particular airport is pretty arrogant to say the least.
Regarding the drop off fee... Nobody likes it, it was financially vital...nobody HAS to pay it as they are free to go elsewhere if they feel that strongly about it.
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I really don't like to get involved in spats between members but this ridiculous arguement re Bournemouth and Southampton seems to surface about once a year and it's becoming really dull
River Joint you are like the " Katie Hopkins " of the local subject SOU / BOH whilst I do agree with something's you say your delivery is .....
Let's just get on with each supporting our airports and airlines and the jobs they provide like everyone else and cut out the antagonistic comments
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River Joint you are like the " Katie Hopkins " of the local subject SOU / BOH whilst I do agree with something's you say your delivery is .....
Let's just get on with each supporting our airports and airlines and the jobs they provide like everyone else and cut out the antagonistic comments
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My sentiments exactly, there's bigger 'enemies' out there that blight our collective industry, APD and the Green Party to name two.
My sentiments exactly, there's bigger 'enemies' out there that blight our collective industry, APD and the Green Party to name two.
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The future of smaller airports in the UK (<5m pax)
The UK government has just published a review in context of the viability of smaller airports and the impact of APD, it makes interesting reading:
House of Commons - 9th Report - Smaller airports - Transport
While the report is lengthy and comprehensive, it's worth a read. This is the evidence submitted by MAG on the specifics of BOH:
Bournemouth Airport
3.6. Bournemouth Airport (BOH) currently serves around 700,000 passengers and 10,000 tonnes of cargo a year, generating £24million of GVA for the South West region. It is a major hub for the UK’s Royal Mail providing overnight links for newspapers printed in London and flown to the Channel Islands for the morning sale. This means that not only does it support its own local economy; it also provides important links to support the Channel Islands. It is also the single biggest employment development site in Dorset with the capability to grow jobs in the area, and is seen as a high priority by the local LEP. Following significant changes to our operating model at BOH, we have made the operation profitable.
3.7. At BOH we have a diverse mix of operations. As a business, its income from aviation is derived from around 35% passengers operations, 35% cargo operations and 35% from general aviation. It has a full length runway with the potential for 24 hour operations due to unrestricted night operations which support the range of businesses that use the airport. We also have a successful aviation business park at BOH which remained at a 98% occupancy rate even through the recession. Many of the businesses located on site here are aviation related businesses and base themselves at the business park due to its location at BOH. The level of clustering is now beginning to appeal as an attractant in its own right and this is in no small part due to the ability to access a fully functioning airfield. The variety of operations at Bournemouth is one of its key strengths.
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House of Commons - 9th Report - Smaller airports - Transport
While the report is lengthy and comprehensive, it's worth a read. This is the evidence submitted by MAG on the specifics of BOH:
Bournemouth Airport
3.6. Bournemouth Airport (BOH) currently serves around 700,000 passengers and 10,000 tonnes of cargo a year, generating £24million of GVA for the South West region. It is a major hub for the UK’s Royal Mail providing overnight links for newspapers printed in London and flown to the Channel Islands for the morning sale. This means that not only does it support its own local economy; it also provides important links to support the Channel Islands. It is also the single biggest employment development site in Dorset with the capability to grow jobs in the area, and is seen as a high priority by the local LEP. Following significant changes to our operating model at BOH, we have made the operation profitable.
3.7. At BOH we have a diverse mix of operations. As a business, its income from aviation is derived from around 35% passengers operations, 35% cargo operations and 35% from general aviation. It has a full length runway with the potential for 24 hour operations due to unrestricted night operations which support the range of businesses that use the airport. We also have a successful aviation business park at BOH which remained at a 98% occupancy rate even through the recession. Many of the businesses located on site here are aviation related businesses and base themselves at the business park due to its location at BOH. The level of clustering is now beginning to appeal as an attractant in its own right and this is in no small part due to the ability to access a fully functioning airfield. The variety of operations at Bournemouth is one of its key strengths.
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Nothing is a better advert for the continued operations at Bournemouth than that.
I particularly like the line
"The level of clustering is now beginning to appeal as an attractant in its own right and this is in no small part due to the ability to access a fully functioning airfield. The variety of operations at Bournemouth is one of its key strengths."
I particularly like the line
"The level of clustering is now beginning to appeal as an attractant in its own right and this is in no small part due to the ability to access a fully functioning airfield. The variety of operations at Bournemouth is one of its key strengths."
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The future is bright
With the amount of government investment into Dorset, together with the ever increasing younger working age population of Bournemouth (recently in digital fields in particular) and the very real prospect of AFC Bournemouth getting a promotion to the premier league, the future does seem to support the continued variety in the airfield activities at BOH.
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Bournemouth handled 20 , 524 passengers in Feb down 11 % on last year so continuing a rather dismall performance , this time the blame lands on no Dublin service and a reduction in the winter Ryanair flights
The flights that did operate all showed good load factors however
Ryanair
Alicante 2812 175 pax
Malaga 2704 169 pax
Tenerife 1219 152 pax
Thomson
Turin 1397 175 pax
Arrecife 1475 184 pax
Tenerife 2829 177 pax
Las Palmas 1401 175 pax
Easy Jet to Geneva saw 6169 passengers use the route on a mix of A319 / A320
Rumoured to be a Thomson 787 Dreamliner operating the Barbados flight this Sat 21 March on the ramp at 0950
The flights that did operate all showed good load factors however
Ryanair
Alicante 2812 175 pax
Malaga 2704 169 pax
Tenerife 1219 152 pax
Thomson
Turin 1397 175 pax
Arrecife 1475 184 pax
Tenerife 2829 177 pax
Las Palmas 1401 175 pax
Easy Jet to Geneva saw 6169 passengers use the route on a mix of A319 / A320
Rumoured to be a Thomson 787 Dreamliner operating the Barbados flight this Sat 21 March on the ramp at 0950
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However the loads have been good enough for Ryanair to put them on for winter 15/16 bookings again. Sometimes Ryanair haven't helped themselves by announcing routes late as they have done in the past few years..
