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That is the airline definition of direct. The BA9 that goes via BKK to SYD is direct to Sydney - as opposed to non-stop. Direct just means you don't change.
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I doubt many people would say that Swansea or Bristol doesn't have a direct train service to London just because the trains call at Swindon and Reading.
Cardiff has a direct bus service to Heathrow (even though it calls in at other places) but doesn't have a direct train service (because you have to get off the train to take the railair coach from Reading or the HE from Paddington).
Cardiff has a direct bus service to Heathrow (even though it calls in at other places) but doesn't have a direct train service (because you have to get off the train to take the railair coach from Reading or the HE from Paddington).
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I beg humble forgiveness for interpreting the English language differently:
Definition of direct - astrology, astronomy and finance (British & World English)
Definition of direct
adjective
extending or moving from one place to another without changing direction or stopping
Definition of direct - astrology, astronomy and finance (British & World English)
Definition of direct
adjective
extending or moving from one place to another without changing direction or stopping
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Agreed - but since this is an airline forum, we use the airline definition. 'Direct' means a route that you don't change aircraft - although it may stop at every street corner. 'Non-stop' means exactly that.
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They have almost certainly picked up on the expression that I have no doubt featured in the bus company's press release. The bus company, like airlines, would use the expression 'direct' in the context that is understood by the travel industry.
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I'm pretty damn sure that on these online travel agent sites, where one has the option of selecting direct, one stop, two stops etc, just as an example, few, if any, will show up with direct flights between Europe and Down Under and vice versa.
But, just as another example, the X91 bus that operates between Cardiff Central and Cardiff Airport, often onward to/from Llantwit Major, describes itself as an "Express Service" and it is precisely that, very few stops between the airport and central Cardiff but it daren't describe itself as as a direct service because it isn't, it stops and it may deviate from the optimum route!
But hey, I've got better things to do, just reading about sleet and snow forecast for UK, it's the rainy season here but it's still a darn sight warmer than the old country, maybe off to the beach in the morning ... work commitments permitting
I'm pretty damn sure that on these online travel agent sites, where one has the option of selecting direct, one stop, two stops etc, just as an example, few, if any, will show up with direct flights between Europe and Down Under and vice versa.
But, just as another example, the X91 bus that operates between Cardiff Central and Cardiff Airport, often onward to/from Llantwit Major, describes itself as an "Express Service" and it is precisely that, very few stops between the airport and central Cardiff but it daren't describe itself as as a direct service because it isn't, it stops and it may deviate from the optimum route!
But hey, I've got better things to do, just reading about sleet and snow forecast for UK, it's the rainy season here but it's still a darn sight warmer than the old country, maybe off to the beach in the morning ... work commitments permitting
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Fascinating etymological discussion but returning to the new coach service it's something of a Cook's Tour of South Wales and the West Country.
It will operate between Swansea and Bristol Airport as a limited stop service, calling at Cardiff Bus Station, Newport Railway Station, University of the West of England (Frenchay Campus) in North Bristol and Bristol Country Bus & Coach Station.
Anyone living in or visiting Cardiff, Swansea or Newport who want to use Bristol Airport can already do so via the Bristol Airport Flyer and the rail connection at Bristol Temple Meads Railway Station with through ticketing. The 10-minute Flyer frequency for much of each day with reduced frequency late evening and through the night together with the 30-minute rail frequency between Bristol and Cardiff seems a much better bet than touring Severnside by coach.
The Flyer carries over 600,000 passengers a year between airport and city centre stops with the majority of them rail passengers via Temple Meads, including a substantial number originating or terminating in South Wales.
If the Greyhound venture is to succeeed at all it will be more likely to do so by conveying the general public between the cities of Cardiff and Bristol where there is no direct (sorry!) bus service - a change of bus is required at Newport - and possibly by picking up a few for the airport in North Bristol.
I think this 'further nail in CWL's coffin' is more in the perception than the reality because an acceptable means of public transport already exists for those who want to transit BRS from/to the Welsh cities that the coach will serve.
It will operate between Swansea and Bristol Airport as a limited stop service, calling at Cardiff Bus Station, Newport Railway Station, University of the West of England (Frenchay Campus) in North Bristol and Bristol Country Bus & Coach Station.
Anyone living in or visiting Cardiff, Swansea or Newport who want to use Bristol Airport can already do so via the Bristol Airport Flyer and the rail connection at Bristol Temple Meads Railway Station with through ticketing. The 10-minute Flyer frequency for much of each day with reduced frequency late evening and through the night together with the 30-minute rail frequency between Bristol and Cardiff seems a much better bet than touring Severnside by coach.
The Flyer carries over 600,000 passengers a year between airport and city centre stops with the majority of them rail passengers via Temple Meads, including a substantial number originating or terminating in South Wales.
If the Greyhound venture is to succeeed at all it will be more likely to do so by conveying the general public between the cities of Cardiff and Bristol where there is no direct (sorry!) bus service - a change of bus is required at Newport - and possibly by picking up a few for the airport in North Bristol.
I think this 'further nail in CWL's coffin' is more in the perception than the reality because an acceptable means of public transport already exists for those who want to transit BRS from/to the Welsh cities that the coach will serve.
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We are not talking in airline nor aircraft terms, we are talking about a darn bus trekking the roads of South Wales and Severnside.
From Swansea it will enter and trek along the M4, rather than continue 'DIRECT' it shall deviate probably exiting the M4 at J33 to then hit the wonderful delights of the Cardiff City traffic.
Upon exiting Cardiff it shall probably, once it has shrugged off the Cardiff City traffic, exit Cardiff along the A48/A48(M) rejoining the M4 at J28, no sooner will the bus have picked up speed it shall be exiting the M4 again for a repeat performance of the Cardiff situ but, this time, in Newport.
And thereafter it shall head towards the Severn X-ing where perhaps an 'English' commentator may take up the scenic tour of Bristol and the surrounds.
Just as an example, were it to continue along the M4 past Cardiff J33 to J28 might take 10 minutes, routing thru Cardiff for pick-up/drop-off will probably take 45 minutes to an hour and stopping in Newport, never mind the stops the other side of the Severn, will lengthen the journey time even further.
About the only thing that will last long about this service are the journey times.
We are not talking in airline nor aircraft terms, we are talking about a darn bus trekking the roads of South Wales and Severnside.
From Swansea it will enter and trek along the M4, rather than continue 'DIRECT' it shall deviate probably exiting the M4 at J33 to then hit the wonderful delights of the Cardiff City traffic.
Upon exiting Cardiff it shall probably, once it has shrugged off the Cardiff City traffic, exit Cardiff along the A48/A48(M) rejoining the M4 at J28, no sooner will the bus have picked up speed it shall be exiting the M4 again for a repeat performance of the Cardiff situ but, this time, in Newport.
And thereafter it shall head towards the Severn X-ing where perhaps an 'English' commentator may take up the scenic tour of Bristol and the surrounds.
Just as an example, were it to continue along the M4 past Cardiff J33 to J28 might take 10 minutes, routing thru Cardiff for pick-up/drop-off will probably take 45 minutes to an hour and stopping in Newport, never mind the stops the other side of the Severn, will lengthen the journey time even further.
About the only thing that will last long about this service are the journey times.
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Moving the conversation on...
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Oh. My. God. So he is planning to buy the airport without a solid plan about what he is going to do with it?
It's not the Lib Dems who are clueless. How does he propose to raise the money for the deal if there is no business case?
Ah - of course. He's going to screw the tax payer.
Why I am SO glad I don't live in Wales anymore?
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(Carwyn Jones) balked at claims that a business case should be finished before the due diligence process came to an end – saying the Lib Dems did not have a clue about how big business deals were conducted.
It's not the Lib Dems who are clueless. How does he propose to raise the money for the deal if there is no business case?
Ah - of course. He's going to screw the tax payer.
Why I am SO glad I don't live in Wales anymore?
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Any room for a lodger Twin Aisle? However at this rate I may not be able to pay my way.
It is ludicrous that the First Minister is now going through the motions of purchasing the airport without having a plan and effectively want's to wing it.
The reason why I am sceptical is due to the chain of events which is listed below.
In 2010 the National Transport plan was released with very little mention of Cardiff Airport and aviation in general.
It was discovered that in late 2011/early 2012 the Welsh Government had sat on a report commissioned by themselves on a route from Cardiff to New York which said it would be beneficial to Wales. It would have been in place in time for the 2010 Ryder Cup in the Celtic Manor. This was only released under a freedom of information request by the media.
In April 2012 the First Minister publicly called Cardiff Airport an embarrassment & he would not encourage anybody to use it. This was days before Vueling CEO Alex Cruz was visiting the Senedd for an official launch of the Cardiff to Barcelona service.
The First Minister announced that he was to set up a Task Force Group and have held two meetings. No airlines attended the Task Force Group meetings only the airport, politicians, BAMC & Union members. All discussions in these meetings have been kept totally secret and only a communiqué has been released with little detail.
First Minister announced that Cardiff Airport was to be included in the St Athan Enterprise Zone. No news on any new business being attracted to Cardiff Airport has been announced as a result since announcing Cardiff Aviation Ltd, eCube Solutions & Hunter Flying Ltd.
In December the First Minister announced that he wishes to purchase Cardiff Airport. This is despite the airport not officially being for sale and that Cardiff doesn't feature in the National Transport plan.
The First Minister refused to answer questions in the Senedd last week put to him by the opposition parties claiming he was not going to give a running commentry.
First Minister should have taken part in the BBC1 Wales - The Wales Report programme which was broadcasted on Sunday 13th November however he wasn't featured.
Yesterday the First Minister balked at claims that a business case should be finished before the due diligence process came to an end – saying the Lib Dems did not have a clue about how big business deals were conducted.
It is ludicrous that the First Minister is now going through the motions of purchasing the airport without having a plan and effectively want's to wing it.
The reason why I am sceptical is due to the chain of events which is listed below.
In 2010 the National Transport plan was released with very little mention of Cardiff Airport and aviation in general.
It was discovered that in late 2011/early 2012 the Welsh Government had sat on a report commissioned by themselves on a route from Cardiff to New York which said it would be beneficial to Wales. It would have been in place in time for the 2010 Ryder Cup in the Celtic Manor. This was only released under a freedom of information request by the media.
In April 2012 the First Minister publicly called Cardiff Airport an embarrassment & he would not encourage anybody to use it. This was days before Vueling CEO Alex Cruz was visiting the Senedd for an official launch of the Cardiff to Barcelona service.
The First Minister announced that he was to set up a Task Force Group and have held two meetings. No airlines attended the Task Force Group meetings only the airport, politicians, BAMC & Union members. All discussions in these meetings have been kept totally secret and only a communiqué has been released with little detail.
First Minister announced that Cardiff Airport was to be included in the St Athan Enterprise Zone. No news on any new business being attracted to Cardiff Airport has been announced as a result since announcing Cardiff Aviation Ltd, eCube Solutions & Hunter Flying Ltd.
In December the First Minister announced that he wishes to purchase Cardiff Airport. This is despite the airport not officially being for sale and that Cardiff doesn't feature in the National Transport plan.
The First Minister refused to answer questions in the Senedd last week put to him by the opposition parties claiming he was not going to give a running commentry.
First Minister should have taken part in the BBC1 Wales - The Wales Report programme which was broadcasted on Sunday 13th November however he wasn't featured.
Yesterday the First Minister balked at claims that a business case should be finished before the due diligence process came to an end – saying the Lib Dems did not have a clue about how big business deals were conducted.
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