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New long haul routes for Dublin
Travel Extra predicting two new long haul route announcements for DUB, to start in 2017.
https://travelextra.wordpress.com/20...anuary-3-2016/
Predictions? A Chinese carrier (China Eastern?) and Qatar - or possibly Cathay?
https://travelextra.wordpress.com/20...anuary-3-2016/
Predictions? A Chinese carrier (China Eastern?) and Qatar - or possibly Cathay?
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Its not as simple as "You pay us less and we don't have to do what we are asked". Its simple, in this country at least, a company must fulfil its contractual obligations. Put wherever spin on that you like, but at the end of the day that's the law and that's what eventually wins out.
And also, my take on the airline response to such a situation is that it is going to be based on costs, where the cost of any delay or goodwill gesture for inconvenience is less than the cost of employing more staff per flight etc.
To start talking about contractual obligations on here is nonsense because each delay like the one described will have been reported by the handler themselves and they will have to explain themselves probably daily as to what happened in such cases. That is where the other factors come in and where the airline will penalise the handler for failings accordingly.
If people just want a moan about how they were inconvenienced that is grand but I don't have to live in their idealised world and I feel free to let them know that there is a bigger picture. This is a discussion forum after all......
Travel Extra predicting two new long haul route announcements for DUB, to start in 2017.
https://travelextra.wordpress.com/20...anuary-3-2016/
Predictions? A Chinese carrier (China Eastern?) and Qatar - or possibly Cathay?
https://travelextra.wordpress.com/20...anuary-3-2016/
Predictions? A Chinese carrier (China Eastern?) and Qatar - or possibly Cathay?
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Travel Extra predicting two new long haul route announcements for DUB, to start in 2017.
https://travelextra.wordpress.com/20...anuary-3-2016/
Predictions? A Chinese carrier (China Eastern?) and Qatar - or possibly Cathay?
https://travelextra.wordpress.com/20...anuary-3-2016/
Predictions? A Chinese carrier (China Eastern?) and Qatar - or possibly Cathay?
DUB was close to top of Air Chin's list of new routes for summer 2015 and was reviewed late 2014/early 2015. x4, A332. They take B789 delivers from around now so you never know.
China Eastern don't fly to Europe from PEK and I would be very surprised it was any other mainland China service. Cathay did say they were looking at DUB during the summer. Out of all places it's go to be PEK or HKG have been the most publicly discussed destinations.
Would imagine QR would be the ME, they have been talking about it long enough.
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China Eastern don't fly to Europe from PEK and I would be very surprised it was any other mainland China service.
Firstly, Air China and Hainan are really stealing the march on China Eastern at PVG. Hainan have opened SEA/BOS and applied for BRU, while Air China have applied for SJC/MAN/BCN to start next summer. Due to the one airline rule, this is severely limiting MU's scope for expansion to realistic destinations, therefore, MU may want to try for DUB before HU/CA get in on the act.
Secondly, a routes online article stated PVG was actually a bigger market from MAN than PEK, now, I don't know what the DUB-China market forecast looks like but I don't suppose they are too dissimilar from MAN in terms of flows, so, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that PVG could come before PEK at DUB.
I'd have thought Shanghai over Beijing alright due to Shanghai and Dublin both being technology hubs.
Apple, Google, Facebook etc were pestering EI for years to relaunch SFO to link their Global HQs in northern California with Their European and Asian HQs in Ireland. In the end they each guranteed they'd buy a certain number of seats on the flight each year and EI took the bait, over 90% LF all year now apparently. Anyways the reason I mention this is that many of these companies are making noises about a Bangalore flight to link their call centers there with the HQs, although the VFR market compared to SFO would be insignificant in comparison I would think.
Apple, Google, Facebook etc were pestering EI for years to relaunch SFO to link their Global HQs in northern California with Their European and Asian HQs in Ireland. In the end they each guranteed they'd buy a certain number of seats on the flight each year and EI took the bait, over 90% LF all year now apparently. Anyways the reason I mention this is that many of these companies are making noises about a Bangalore flight to link their call centers there with the HQs, although the VFR market compared to SFO would be insignificant in comparison I would think.
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A Chinese gent,who is a customer of mine ,his wife works for a GSA IN Dublin,that handles mostly all the Chinese airlines in Ireland , only last Thursday,happen to mention China Eastern likely starting services to DUB in the not too distant future
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According to A.net AA/US begin fleet integration in May and ORD to move to A332, while an AA 763 moves to PHL for Zurich in its place.
Prehaps no 777 after all if correct.
Prehaps no 777 after all if correct.
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AA website updated with changes:
PHL - A332
CLT - A332
ORD - A332
JFK - B752
As things stand currently Air Canada will be the only B767 operator at DUB this summer.
PHL - A332
CLT - A332
ORD - A332
JFK - B752
As things stand currently Air Canada will be the only B767 operator at DUB this summer.
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Conformation of 25 million passengers last year up 15% or 3.3 million.
Europe - 12.8 m + 15%
UK - 8.9 m + 14%
Transatlantic - 2.5 m + 17%
ME/Africa - 805 - + 25%
Transfers - 1 m + 27%
https://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at...s_In_2015.aspx
Understand there is good transit numbers to ME carriers also.
Commercial movements were just under 191,250.
Europe - 12.8 m + 15%
UK - 8.9 m + 14%
Transatlantic - 2.5 m + 17%
ME/Africa - 805 - + 25%
Transfers - 1 m + 27%
https://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at...s_In_2015.aspx
Understand there is good transit numbers to ME carriers also.
Commercial movements were just under 191,250.
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Dublin Airport Runway Decision Due This Year - 98FM
Runway decision due this year apparently. Wouldn't hold my breath.
Runway decision due this year apparently. Wouldn't hold my breath.
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It will happen this year, what's needed to be done in response to operational changes since what was previously planned is been carried out at the minute.
As for domestic figure likely around 60,000 and whatever it is it will be up on 2014.
As for domestic figure likely around 60,000 and whatever it is it will be up on 2014.
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Iceland's Wow Air considers transatlantic base in Dublin
Icelandic carrier Wow Air is considering using Dublin Airport as a base for expansion beyond its current market, according to its chief executive, Skúli Mogensen.
Mr Mogensen, who is in Dublin for an aviation finance conference, said yesterday that booking on its recently announced services from Dublin Airport – via Reykjavik to San Francisco and Los Angeles – had exceeded its expectations.
The low-cost airline flies between 27 cities across Europe and North America via Reykjavik, but is looking for a second base from which Mr Mogensen said that it would begin flying transatlantic.
He confirmed Dublin was one of a number of “strong” candidates.
“Dublin is a great airport and it’s a great hub in its own right. It’s definitely a viable alternative to London for lots of reasons,” he said.
However, he explained that the company would have to apply for an Irish Air Operator’s Certificate – an airline licence – and it would have to consider this, along with other factors.
Mr Mogensen also suggested the airport should leave passenger charges, now capped at €9.87, unchanged, arguing its current business model was working and helping to bring in new airlines,
“If you were to raise the rates, that would kill the model,” he said.
Wow is already flying from Dublin to Logan Airport in Boston and Baltimore, via Reykjavik.
According to its chief executive, it is selling more than 90 per cent of the available seats on those services. The passengers are split 80/20 between leisure and business travellers.
Its fares for these routes start at €99 one-way. It intends offering seats to San Francisco and Los Angeles at €199 one-way.
Mr Mogensen set up Wow in 2011 and says it is growing and profitable. It will more than double passenger numbers this year from 840,000 to 1.8 million.
He is aiming to get numbers to four to five million a year and hopes to earn about $300 million in revenues this year
Mr Mogensen, who is in Dublin for an aviation finance conference, said yesterday that booking on its recently announced services from Dublin Airport – via Reykjavik to San Francisco and Los Angeles – had exceeded its expectations.
The low-cost airline flies between 27 cities across Europe and North America via Reykjavik, but is looking for a second base from which Mr Mogensen said that it would begin flying transatlantic.
He confirmed Dublin was one of a number of “strong” candidates.
“Dublin is a great airport and it’s a great hub in its own right. It’s definitely a viable alternative to London for lots of reasons,” he said.
However, he explained that the company would have to apply for an Irish Air Operator’s Certificate – an airline licence – and it would have to consider this, along with other factors.
Mr Mogensen also suggested the airport should leave passenger charges, now capped at €9.87, unchanged, arguing its current business model was working and helping to bring in new airlines,
“If you were to raise the rates, that would kill the model,” he said.
Wow is already flying from Dublin to Logan Airport in Boston and Baltimore, via Reykjavik.
According to its chief executive, it is selling more than 90 per cent of the available seats on those services. The passengers are split 80/20 between leisure and business travellers.
Its fares for these routes start at €99 one-way. It intends offering seats to San Francisco and Los Angeles at €199 one-way.
Mr Mogensen set up Wow in 2011 and says it is growing and profitable. It will more than double passenger numbers this year from 840,000 to 1.8 million.
He is aiming to get numbers to four to five million a year and hopes to earn about $300 million in revenues this year
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Ah for **** sake, €92 to upgrade a 5kg carry on to a 12kg carry on (Ryanair and Aer Lingus offer 10kg for free).
For 5 people, inc the 12kg carry on allowance and a 20kg suitcase each, its €5240.67 in July. (€3671.05 without the above)
With Aer Lingus, which offers the above as standard its €3210.05
Thats really taking the piss Wow Air.
For 5 people, inc the 12kg carry on allowance and a 20kg suitcase each, its €5240.67 in July. (€3671.05 without the above)
With Aer Lingus, which offers the above as standard its €3210.05
Thats really taking the piss Wow Air.
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If possible I would like to get an educated answer to this.
LAS is a great route for VS. Daily flight is always busy. BA are now flying to LAS from LGW and LHR. So there must be some form of demand there.
If not an american carrier but why has EI not jumped on this route yet, even 3 a week.
LAS is a great route for VS. Daily flight is always busy. BA are now flying to LAS from LGW and LHR. So there must be some form of demand there.
If not an american carrier but why has EI not jumped on this route yet, even 3 a week.
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There's three main reasons for this:
1. Yield. Loads and income on the route would be rather inconsistent, being very event based. Its also likely to have less of your business traveller than typical successful routes such as New-York and Boston, as well as not having as many leisure as Orlando.
2. There are no U.S airlines with major hubs in LAS. Notice all the routes from Ireland to the US currently with the American 3, all to hub airports. LAS isn't a hub airport, so its very unlikely a US airline would start the route.
3. Lack of a market. Just look at the population of the UK. Look at the amount of flights from London alone, its guaranteed the market will be far larger in London hence the success.
Off the record then, I have noticed, maybe incorrectly that Irish travellers (the good kind) tend to fly to City Routes and the US alot more than our UK counterparts who seem very Leisure (Las Vegas, Orlando, Spain, Carribean) and Middle Eastern focused.
The above is not to say that LAS will never come, I'd say its in the pecking order alright, but there are more lucrative routes for the moment.
1. Yield. Loads and income on the route would be rather inconsistent, being very event based. Its also likely to have less of your business traveller than typical successful routes such as New-York and Boston, as well as not having as many leisure as Orlando.
2. There are no U.S airlines with major hubs in LAS. Notice all the routes from Ireland to the US currently with the American 3, all to hub airports. LAS isn't a hub airport, so its very unlikely a US airline would start the route.
3. Lack of a market. Just look at the population of the UK. Look at the amount of flights from London alone, its guaranteed the market will be far larger in London hence the success.
Off the record then, I have noticed, maybe incorrectly that Irish travellers (the good kind) tend to fly to City Routes and the US alot more than our UK counterparts who seem very Leisure (Las Vegas, Orlando, Spain, Carribean) and Middle Eastern focused.
The above is not to say that LAS will never come, I'd say its in the pecking order alright, but there are more lucrative routes for the moment.