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Thinking out of the box is all well and good and some of the routes you mentioned are great ideas.....IMO. What sometimes, let's say niggles me, is how some believe that easyjet should be left with the secondary destinations or be responsible for filling MAN's gaps. Why shouldn't they compete on MUC or CPH? I don't want to lose LH or SK and there is no indication of that happening, easyjet has grown the Market. What is more hypocritical is the fact that many would not have the same feelings if a legacy competed on a lcc's route. Instead it would be champagne, buntings and streamers.
Obviously the new easyjet routes are reportedly from easyjet bases so there is a good chance of SXF and MAD and great if they did but I don't believe expansion should be predicated on filling MANs gaps. Whilst still an LCC, MAN has the chance of having an airline with "big jets" creating a rather large operation... There will be times in the future when once again, easyjet will go head to head with another carrier.
Obviously the new easyjet routes are reportedly from easyjet bases so there is a good chance of SXF and MAD and great if they did but I don't believe expansion should be predicated on filling MANs gaps. Whilst still an LCC, MAN has the chance of having an airline with "big jets" creating a rather large operation... There will be times in the future when once again, easyjet will go head to head with another carrier.
...because the likes of City Jet (Gothenburg), Finnair (Helsinki), Lufthansa ( Hamburg & Munich) have invested substantial sums in developing routes over the years & building up traffic for a predatory EZY to step on developed routes & dilute traffic.
This happened with Berlin, when BA connect flew a E145 twice a day for years. Then along comes LCC Air Berlin with a B738 & then also LCC Jet2 come along with a B733. Result 4 flights a day to Berlin = over capacity = all three airlines pulled off as unsustainable, leaving no flights. This situation could very easily happen to the Gothenburg route.
Of course EZY can fly where they like. However, it's not difficult to find out how many people fly MAN-BER or MAN-VIE via an intermediate stop & thus these two destinations would be more useful than diluting existing routes.
BTW, who says the new routes are going to be from Manchester? It says Northwest & as the LPL & MAN machines are fully utilised, it has to be from overseas bases or W patterns.
This happened with Berlin, when BA connect flew a E145 twice a day for years. Then along comes LCC Air Berlin with a B738 & then also LCC Jet2 come along with a B733. Result 4 flights a day to Berlin = over capacity = all three airlines pulled off as unsustainable, leaving no flights. This situation could very easily happen to the Gothenburg route.
Of course EZY can fly where they like. However, it's not difficult to find out how many people fly MAN-BER or MAN-VIE via an intermediate stop & thus these two destinations would be more useful than diluting existing routes.
BTW, who says the new routes are going to be from Manchester? It says Northwest & as the LPL & MAN machines are fully utilised, it has to be from overseas bases or W patterns.
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Why not try some out of the box ideas?
Out of the box like AF on LHR-LAX sort of thing?
Mr A Tis. LH and others have indeed built up routes but since when does that entitle a company to a monopoly? Get real. Asi mentioned before, particularly on MUC, EZY has grown the Market. On The Hamburg meanwhile, easy have taken pax off BE Hannover and would traditionally not have flown LH's HAM route.
An internal communication confirmed that details on three new routes ex MAN would be revealed at some point in the near future. It mentioned the BIO route and went on to say that three new routes will be announced from the northwest base. Initially I thought it said that 3 new routes would be launched from the northwests bases, meaning lpl and man, but since reading the communication again it is apparent they mean just MAN.
Betablock, before posting cocky comments that make you look foolish, atleast read the last one or two pages to realise that the announcement comes from a pretty good source.
An internal communication confirmed that details on three new routes ex MAN would be revealed at some point in the near future. It mentioned the BIO route and went on to say that three new routes will be announced from the northwest base. Initially I thought it said that 3 new routes would be launched from the northwests bases, meaning lpl and man, but since reading the communication again it is apparent they mean just MAN.
Betablock, before posting cocky comments that make you look foolish, atleast read the last one or two pages to realise that the announcement comes from a pretty good source.
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Betablock, before posting cocky comments that make you look foolish, atleast read the last one or two pages to realise that the announcement comes from a pretty good source.
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Name three "out of the box" routes ex MAN that you would consider a winner from 2000 on
For me personally, I say Belavia Minsk-MAN. May only be seasonal and low frequency, but returns year after year so must be doing ok.
Jet2 to BUD and TLV. Both considered niche routes, and both Malev/EL AL said they were unprofitable.
Even though jet2 has an obviously lower cost base, they have made a good go of them.
Out of the box like AF on LHR-LAX sort of thing
Hypocracy doesnt even begin to describe your comparasin on MAN-LAX with NZ with LAX-LHR on AF.
Your favourite phrase on here is 'comparing apples and pears', and isnt that exactly what you have just done on a.net.
You say people wont know NZ goes to LAX, just like they didnt know AF did LHR-LAX. I dont know about where you are, but more people than you'd think are aware NZ goes LHR-LAX-AKL, whereas, not many people would think a French carrier ran a UK-USA route.
To compare a possible failiure of NZ MAN-LAX-AKL (despite the fact its not even confirmed yet) is just pointless, as NZ are probably more concerned with MAN-AKL pax, with MAN-LAX-MAN a mere bonus. On top of that, there would be cargo, and the AKL-LAX-AKL traffic to help the route along.
AF relied soley on LHR-LAX-LHR traffic, with little connection possibilites at either end, so, to use your words, 'You are comparing apples and pears'
It's this thinking out of the box thing that is irritating. There are some great gems out there to be operated....... BIO i believe is one of them. However, why is it that Easyjet has to think outside of the box, operate to secondary destinations whilst LH etc cream off the profits to some of Europes most profitable destinations?
You can't deny that Easyjet, thus far, has a fairly rounded network ex MAN. Sure they operate on the usual beach routes aswell as competing on some of the major Cities but they also saved ATH from disappearing, GVA when it didn't have a coherent schedule, they operate SOF and RAK on a scheduled basis and have just launced BIO. With that in mind, don't you think some of you are perhaps being a little bit unfair?
Just last week some of you (sorry Wanna_be_there, i do respect your postings) were hammering on about BA operating MCO and other leisure. Well blow my boxers off and use my co
k as a wind sock, a prime example of an airline building up a route is VS and it's MCO. Some days this of course operates twice daily but some of you were willing to potentially jeopardise that just to have the Union Jack widebody back at MAN. This is what i mean by plane spotter snobbery and hypocrisy.
You can't deny that Easyjet, thus far, has a fairly rounded network ex MAN. Sure they operate on the usual beach routes aswell as competing on some of the major Cities but they also saved ATH from disappearing, GVA when it didn't have a coherent schedule, they operate SOF and RAK on a scheduled basis and have just launced BIO. With that in mind, don't you think some of you are perhaps being a little bit unfair?
Just last week some of you (sorry Wanna_be_there, i do respect your postings) were hammering on about BA operating MCO and other leisure. Well blow my boxers off and use my co
k as a wind sock, a prime example of an airline building up a route is VS and it's MCO. Some days this of course operates twice daily but some of you were willing to potentially jeopardise that just to have the Union Jack widebody back at MAN. This is what i mean by plane spotter snobbery and hypocrisy.
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To be totally honest, Im actually happy with easyjet at MAN.
They are obviously very committed to MAN, I mean, just look how fast the base has gorwn. We would have never had this amount of expansion had GB airways remained as it was.
We are now on aircraft 6, and wouldnt be totally surprised if aircraft 7 eventually made its way here in 2011 (given the fact a few routes are summer only, its not guaranteed though).
Also, as easyflier has pointed out, Easyjet has kept ATH on our departure boards, and routes such as BIA/RAK/BIO are niche routes which would likely dissapear for a long long time if easy were to ever drop them.
In time, easyjet probably will serve all the SXF/MAD/OPO/AMM/SAW/MXP that people on here think they should, but come on, give them time, Rome wasnt built in a day!
They are obviously very committed to MAN, I mean, just look how fast the base has gorwn. We would have never had this amount of expansion had GB airways remained as it was.
We are now on aircraft 6, and wouldnt be totally surprised if aircraft 7 eventually made its way here in 2011 (given the fact a few routes are summer only, its not guaranteed though).
Also, as easyflier has pointed out, Easyjet has kept ATH on our departure boards, and routes such as BIA/RAK/BIO are niche routes which would likely dissapear for a long long time if easy were to ever drop them.
In time, easyjet probably will serve all the SXF/MAD/OPO/AMM/SAW/MXP that people on here think they should, but come on, give them time, Rome wasnt built in a day!
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As a pax, I have a lot of sympathy for Easyflyer's comments. They have every right to try and have a go on any route they think they can make money on.
I'll break ranks with many of the views on here by saying I'd be delighted if Easy had a go on Paris since the two incumbents have kind of sewn the market up between them - and not for the benefit of the punter as they would have you believe
. It would provide some real competition and the market's big enough.
Anyway speculation....have to wait for an announcement.
I'll break ranks with many of the views on here by saying I'd be delighted if Easy had a go on Paris since the two incumbents have kind of sewn the market up between them - and not for the benefit of the punter as they would have you believe
. It would provide some real competition and the market's big enough.Anyway speculation....have to wait for an announcement.
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Have noted the comments on Vienna / Bratislava here; it's a part of the world I know very well and have a lot of business contacts there. Most people fail to understand just how close these two cities are even though they are in two different countries.....probably not much further than Manchester and Liverpool are. Therefore the catchments overlap substantially.
Was great when SkyEurope ran there but Ryanair jumped on the route from LPL and the best hope is that they switch it to MAN.
What I would really like to see is OS to Vienna not just for the point to point traffic but mainly because they do a good line in connections East and South East which IMO aren't adequately served from here....MUC and ZRH serve ok but VIE often offers better. Some of the wackier places I go to are 3 flights from MAN and I know would only be two if VIE was on offer.
But therein lies the rub - if it's to be any good it would have to operate at a decent frequency and schedule. Is the business there to justify it? Dunno.
Was great when SkyEurope ran there but Ryanair jumped on the route from LPL and the best hope is that they switch it to MAN.
What I would really like to see is OS to Vienna not just for the point to point traffic but mainly because they do a good line in connections East and South East which IMO aren't adequately served from here....MUC and ZRH serve ok but VIE often offers better. Some of the wackier places I go to are 3 flights from MAN and I know would only be two if VIE was on offer.
But therein lies the rub - if it's to be any good it would have to operate at a decent frequency and schedule. Is the business there to justify it? Dunno.
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more people than you'd think are aware NZ goes LHR-LAX-AKL
Please learn to spell
Hypocracy
NZ are probably more concerned with MAN-AKL pax, with MAN-LAX-MAN a mere bonus. On top of that, there would be cargo, and the AKL-LAX-AKL traffic to help the route along.
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BA 747
Just had word of a possible sighting of a BA 747 aircraft landing at MAN/EGCC
Any 1 else heard or seen anything as pretty certain it wasn't planned unless they upgraded the LGW or LHR
Any 1 else heard or seen anything as pretty certain it wasn't planned unless they upgraded the LGW or LHR
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I live in London but travel a lot. Air New Zealand has spent decades building up a loyal following on LHR-LAX and to many are the number one carrier so I am aware of that.
btw I work in the industry as an analyst so I'm not exactly coming to this with just the opinions in my head, I see a lot of relevant data crossing my desk
You have no basis for saying this.
how do expect this to compete with a saturated Middle East service to NZ against Emirates on the A380, QR and EY
So MAN is just now supposed to turn around to the prospective airlines and say 'sorry, the middle eastern carriers are here, we just dont want you anymore?'
You seem to think the price is the deciding factor, but it isnt the be all and end all.
take a look at this:
KLM MAN-AMS-PVG, J class on 21st April £1253
EK MAN-DXB-PVG, J class 21st April £2075 (with A380 included)
Guess what, EK themselves have said the A380 is going out pretty much full every day! Funny that isnt it. And thats just one example.
Take it the figures were missed whilst being analysed that time
So, it seems the tables are turning, and despite the fuel prices, resesssion and everything else, people do want to fly from their local, as direct as possible.
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Skipness
'If you are, how do expect this to compete'
Tut! tut!
Please read your post before posting as it
saves embarrassment when you 'flag-up' someones
bad spelling!!
MM
'If you are, how do expect this to compete'
Tut! tut!
Please read your post before posting as it
saves embarrassment when you 'flag-up' someones
bad spelling!!
MM
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excelsbest,
If you google yourself a picture of B2428, a Great Wall Cargo B744F, you will find that the livery would strongly resemble BA viewed from below. This aircraft has just arrived at MAN within the last few minutes and is probably your beastie. SHED.
If you google yourself a picture of B2428, a Great Wall Cargo B744F, you will find that the livery would strongly resemble BA viewed from below. This aircraft has just arrived at MAN within the last few minutes and is probably your beastie. SHED.