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In contrary, FR tends to abandon the apts trying to discontinue their marketing support. If my suspicions are right, it might be the case in Tours, France. All flights there just became unbookable after the end of August, am I right?
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Looking forward to when MOL crashes and burn's ........ 2012 given current fiscal EEC cutbacks and the impact that has on pax spend
Crap product and a marketing approach that will run out of steam.
I vote with my feet and refuse to use them
Dance on a company's graves? I hate queues
Crap product and a marketing approach that will run out of steam.
I vote with my feet and refuse to use them
Dance on a company's graves? I hate queues
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Tours is normally always a peak season summer only destination for Ryanair, operating between May/June and August/September. I can't ever remember Ryanair operating there during the winter.
London-Stansted, Marseille and Porto operate during the winter. Dublin operates March - October.
The routes were boookable after August but now they are not but they sitll show as operating.
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Well, there are some airports that are doing extremely well thanks to Ryanair. Like Lappeenranta. It must be kind of Guiness World Record, presumably. According to YLE, after Ryanair and Air Baltic started flying there the traffic in LPP rose some 320.000% (6403 pax in July 2010 versus just 2 in July 2009). Indeed Ryanair's LF is close to 100% there. Very promising as the vast majority of pax comes from Russia.
But elsewhere FR seems being able to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Discontinuing the extremely popular and high-priced TMP-AGP for the Winter, still attractive season for the Nordic pax? Unbelievable! Also BGY gone.
But elsewhere FR seems being able to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. Discontinuing the extremely popular and high-priced TMP-AGP for the Winter, still attractive season for the Nordic pax? Unbelievable! Also BGY gone.
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fact 70m are voting with their feet
Those who use Ryanair will do so many times per year, esp those working away from home or will a 2nd home. It is very likely that ryanair have only 15m different pax per year who do an average of 5 sectors a year.
For each one the airline upsets they lose on average 5 sectors.
2012 may be a very hard year with a large rise in fuel costs, workers upset with pay freeze and extra airport taxes.
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Even if your statistical guesses are correct, the fact that numbers are growing indicates that more are joining the Ryanair users club than leaving it. Its down to simple economics - price matters.
Even if your statistical guesses are correct, the fact that numbers are growing indicates that more are joining the Ryanair users club than leaving it. Its down to simple economics - price matters.
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The "ryanair users club" size could grow 20% driven by expansion and agressive capture of market share but if total costs rise more that total income the airline can become loss making.
Economics is never simple and lots of frims have expanded too much only then to fail big time.
The storm is coming and it may be those who go via FR will be hit the most.
Economics is never simple and lots of frims have expanded too much only then to fail big time.
The storm is coming and it may be those who go via FR will be hit the most.
The "ryanair users club" size could grow 20% driven by expansion and agressive capture of market share but if total costs rise more that total income the airline can become loss making.
Economics is never simple and lots of frims have expanded too much only then to fail big time.
The storm is coming and it may be those who go via FR will be hit the most.
Economics is never simple and lots of frims have expanded too much only then to fail big time.
The storm is coming and it may be those who go via FR will be hit the most.
Time and again they have proven over last 10 years that they have an ability to move quickly in changing the face of aviation.
This laughable storm you desire somehow will only hit the company who has the most cash in the bank and not hurt those who are struggling already just to stay afloat.
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I agree with racedo -Ryanair has proved the sceptics wrong time after time after time. Its business model is of course based on Southwest in the USA and it has been going strong for even longer.
The prophets of doom obviously want to rid the market of low fares so that we go back to hundresd of pounds for what I can now get from Ryanair, all costs included, for 10-20% of that.
The prophets of doom obviously want to rid the market of low fares so that we go back to hundresd of pounds for what I can now get from Ryanair, all costs included, for 10-20% of that.
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The storm is coming and it may be those who go via FR will be hit the most.
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you all may not like my analysis but how is ryanair going to make a significant profit in 2012 onwards?
What will the cost per pax be?
what will the income per pax be?
how many pax will they carry and at what load factor?
If you cannot do the analysis then it is you who are making the guessing.
What will the cost per pax be?
what will the income per pax be?
how many pax will they carry and at what load factor?
If you cannot do the analysis then it is you who are making the guessing.
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I suggest Ryanair has some able people who are in possession of the facts as opposed to speculation and idle gossip, whose job it is to look ahead several years and plan accordingly e.g taking account of no new plane orders.
No doubt you would like to see the end of Ryanair - who would you target then?
No doubt you would like to see the end of Ryanair - who would you target then?
you all may not like my analysis but how is ryanair going to make a significant profit in 2012 onwards?
What will the cost per pax be?
what will the income per pax be?
how many pax will they carry and at what load factor?
If you cannot do the analysis then it is you who are making the guessing.
What will the cost per pax be?
what will the income per pax be?
how many pax will they carry and at what load factor?
If you cannot do the analysis then it is you who are making the guessing.
FR currently running aircraft carrying approximately 300,000 passengers each per year which even at an average current fare of €39 plus €11 ancillary gives them every asset generating €15 million a year over a 6 year life span plus inflation thats €100 million. On an asset that costs €30M to buy, even adding in fuel, maintenance, staffing you would expect each aircraft to give you €15 Million net over a 6 year life span in profit and a hell of a lot of cash before selling it on for a tidy sum.
As for the idea that passengers are disappearing well far from it, the movement of aircraft across Europe has built in lots more routes and users and while UK and Ireland are in recession now they won't always be and will clearly desire more opportunities to travel again which just reopens more routes
Problem FR face in 2014 maybe that they haven't enough aircraft to sustain demand.
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Monday - 16 August - Madrid
Dur to Baggage Handlers Strike in Madrid on Monday the 16 August Ryanair will not be accepting checked baggage on all flights to/from Madrid. This is to prevent flight delays and cancellations.
Madrid Baggage Handlers Strike ? Monday16th August
Not sure if any other airlines are effected
Madrid Baggage Handlers Strike ? Monday16th August
Not sure if any other airlines are effected
Its business model is of course based on Southwest in the USA
A few of the key and fundamental differences:
1/ Since day 1, Ryanair has operated its 737s at maximum seating density. Southwest takes two rows out of each aircraft to increase legroom.
2/ Ryanair charges for baggage - many would say unreasonably so given the hike in peak season baggage fees. Southwest is one of the few US carriers *not* to charge for this - with up to two free bags - despite the fact that the legacy carriers have begun to do so.
3/ Southwest accepts unaccompanied minors, cargo, pets, offers senior citizen fares, has a frequent flyer scheme, doesn't whack you with added charges which are several times higher than the initial fare display, manages its boarding process without recourse to customers' elbows....
4/ Southwest has active engagement programmes with its employees...which happens to include union recognition.
Ryanair does what it does, and has a unique Marmite effect - you either love it or hate it. However, if I was Southwest (which I'm not), I'd not be happy that my reputation was being subjected to comparisons with airlines - of which Ryanair is one of many - which bear no resemblance to the product that I provided.
Ryanair does what it does, and has a unique Marmite effect - you either love it or hate it. However, if I was Southwest (which I'm not), I'd not be happy that my reputation was being subjected to comparisons with airlines - of which Ryanair is one of many - which bear no resemblance to the product that I provided.
BW Online | May 14, 2001 | Renegade Ryanair
Had posted some stuff I remember from article but found it and worth a read even 9 and a bit years on.
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I think some people should stop trying to work out ryanair ops costs and picking random numbers up. Why not leave it to the professionals, i'll leave you with a good starting point.
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