Ryanair - 7

[eu01]

Originally Posted by alm1

flights disappearing (...) and then reappearing a few days later again (...) you no longer can be sure whether some route is really terminating or just the schedule is being reshuffled again.

Right, but FDH has already confirmed to the press the airport's disappearance from FR network (see one of the articles in German).

Btw. alm1 - isn't MOL coming to Lithuania this week?

[alm1]

Btw. alm1 - isn't MOL coming to Lithuania this week?

Yes, tommorow morning we have a press conference with O'Leary and our minister of Transport attending. There is some speculation what will be announced. Possibilities are expansion or even a base at KUN and maybe flights to VNO or PLQ.

And later in the day we have an invitation for anyone interested to meet MOL at the airport terminal (11:00 local time at KUN if anyone interested) to discuss their future plans

[eu01]

I've heard some rumours about the quite unexpected decision concerning the long-awaited first Central-European base. MOL could astonish everybody tomorrow by announcing the base not in Krakow, not in Bratislava, not even in Riga. I think the location of this press conference is shedding some light on the issue.

[pee]

Well, it will be Lithuania. Kaunas will be the first FR base in CE Europe! Two planes and routes to Barcelona, Berlin, Dusseldorf Weeze, Edinburgh, London (Gatwick), Milan BGY, Oslo, Paris BVA, Tampere.

Congratulations!

[anna_list]

KUN and EDI?

Hi,

Confirmation of Pee's posting above:
Kaunas taps pagrindiniu ?Ryanair? centru regione (papildyta) - Miestas - Kauno diena

And more aircraft for EDI?
Ryanair again set to spread wings with new air routes - Scotsman.com Business

[frelli]

Ryanair new base Kaunas

Ryanair new base at Kaunas (KUN), Lithuania. New 9 routes to BGY, BVA, EDI, GRO, LGW, NRN, RYG, SXF, TMP

Ryanair opens new routes to Hahn (HHN),Agadir (AGA),Pula (PUY),Kaunas (KUN),Bergamo (BGY),Paris (BVA),Edinburgh (EDI),Gerona (GRO),London (LGW),Dusseldorf (NRN),Rygge (RYG),Berlin-Schoenefeld (SXF),Tampere (TMP) and restarts routes to Hahn (HHN),Osij

Also, theairdb shows three new destinations out of Hahn. I guess they open them using the spare capacity they got from using aircraft based on Kaunas for old routes

[RYR738_driver]

anna_list, being a FO based in EDI eagerly waiting for more a/c, i wondered if you had an thoughts as to what these would be used on.

I know they are keeping the canaries routes so that will occupy one a/c, but can you see RYR finally competing with EZY on the Stansted or Luton routes. I realise that theres next to no chance to compete with the Gatwick route as there is just way too much competition, but when I was looking through the timetable noticed that some of the 3 a day dublins went down to 2 for the summer.
Also, again competing with EZY, it would be good to have a bergamo on the route network.
Can you see any of the spanish destinations going to daily?

thanks

[boyzinblue]

I hadn't realised that FR axed Weeze-Dublin. Did EI win that battle - Dusseldorf-Dublin?

[anna_list]

FR @ EDI Summer 2010

Hi RYR738_driver,

As it currently stands, it looks as though the summer timetable at EDI will require 5 aircraft.

Compared to last summer, out go: CCF (moved to PIK), LIG, ZAD, WRO, CAG, AOC and HAU (all of which ended last October and do not seem to be returning) and BOH too.

But in come: CRL, FMM, TRF, GDN, LPA, ACE, TFS, GRO, BOD and TMP. SNN continues 3x weekly too.

Here's some uninformed speculation from me:

If they add 6th aircraft, I would expect the usual mix of new routes and frequency increases on the strongest existing routes (maybe increasing MLA and some of the German routes?). I'm sure they will be keen to mop up any untapped demand to sun destinations resulting from the demise of Globespan.

They will need to pick new routes that don't damage existing routes from PIK (witness the cancellation of PIK to TRF, MRS, NRN, HHN, NYO, KRK), which makes me wonder whether they would risk EDI-BGY, although I agree that the route has potential. EDI-FAO might be worth a go in Summer, maybe Porto too. Venice TSF would surely be a good choice? Given the apparent success of the German routes (except AOC), they might try EDI-Karlsruhe FKB. As usual with Ryanair, you can be sure there will be a at least a couple of surprises - how about Morocco, Seville, La Rochelle or Sicily?

As for domestic flights, I think that once the economy starts growing again, Ryanair may be very tempted to attack routes such as EDI-STN and EDI-BRS. Perhaps EDI-EMA against a very weak bmiBaby would be the most obvious first target?

<End of my waffle, which will probably turn out to be completely and utterly wrong>

[pee]

As some Spanish (Catalonian) politicians assert, Ryanair will not fly to BCN (El Prat) this Summer.

The source cited: Mr. Manel Nadal, the Secretary of the Ministry of Transport and Public Works of the Generalitat of Catalonia

[BFS101]

You think Ryanair might try EDI - BHD??

At Belfast City they have yet to compete directly with FlyBE, although are very much competing with Easyjet and BmiBaby from BFS. Is the avoidance of direct competition with BE to do with their contract at BHD, or will we see this, come future expansion.

[jpthomas72]

KUN routes

Big news then. The new KUN routes are not yet bookable, frequencies are unclear. Having a massively shrunk FR base here at BHX, I wonder how many routes will survive within a year. A 189-seater between KUN and SXF. Interesting. To make money max 2x weekly. I believe TMP is a restart. One good news is that more FR cabin crew from LT can now live again in their home country. Hard to beat BT though on frequencies and choice from VNO esp via RIX. And then KUN is basically a separate metropolitan area from VNO (a bit comparable to MAN and BHX).

[alm1]

And then KUN is basically a separate metropolitan area from VNO (a bit comparable to MAN and BHX).

You meant like MAN and LPL.

[eu01]

Originally Posted by jpthomas72

1. A 189-seater between KUN and SXF. Interesting. To make money max 2x weekly.
2. I believe TMP is a restart.

• ad 1. Oh really? In my opinion it will be one of the best short-haul routes from KUN. It is scheduled to run 4x weekly and as such it will make money, believe me*.
• ad 2. No, it is not.

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* in spite of relatively small number of Lithuanian gastarbeiters in Berlin

[Charlie Roy]

A 189-seater between KUN and SXF. Interesting.

Personally I find this a very obvious choice of route.

SNN continues 3x weekly too.

I am mildly (but not entirely) shocked that Ryanair have decided not to axe Shannon to Edinburgh and Shannon to Liverpool afterall.

(a bit comparable to MAN and BHX)

Indeed. GLA and EDI would be my personal UK equivalents.

[apaul]

I am not sure whether SXF to Kaunus will be sustainable. Easyjet has dropped Berlin to Tallinn and that is probably a more attractive short break destination. East Europeans going to live in Germany for a while tend to want to take a lot of luggage with them so will drive or get a cheap rail ticket. Germans taking a Summer holiday along the Baltic usually want to take their own car.

[pee]

Easyjet has dropped Berlin to Tallinn

Well, I used to travel with EZY from Tallinn to SXF on several occasions (Tallinn is just a couple of hours from Helsinki by ferry). Pretty good load factors every time. It's just that EZY more eagerly try to maximize returns and at a time didn't achieve fares good enough on this route. FR calculations allow for more patience, I guess.

Cheap rail ticket from Baltic countries to Germany? Pure abstraction. I've once tried to get through Baltic countries by rail. I'll not attempt to do it any more, believe me. Besides, the international rail tickets are pretty expensive in the region.

Apart for Lithuanians travelling to Berlin, I would also find several reasons for Germans to visit Lithuania, some pretty amazing historical sites there.

[Carnethy]

Anna_List, what about the chances of Ryanair experimenting with the likes of Dalaman, Paphos, etc which are routes formerly operated by Globespan. Do you think FR would dip their toe into these markets. Malta & Canaries have proved popular from EDI so why not the Eastern Med before someone else gets in there.

[davidjohnson6]

Edinburgh-Paphos would take about 30 mins more than Edinburgh-Canaries, which is itself already one of FR's longest routes
Am guessing that fares would have to be quite chunky for this kind of distance to be profitable to FR

[Keyvon]

An airline holding an Irish AOC cannot fly between UK and Turkey, not even on a charter basis.
Ryanair can provide direct air services to Turkish destinations ONLY from the Republic of Ireland.

So please stop asking about it everytime.