Thomson Airways
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Hi all
With tom going for 189 seat 738's and thomas cook going for new A321's with 220 seats and the A330 with 323 to thomsons 290 set 787 ,
i would think tcx will remain cheaper due to the overall spread of costs plus they have full control of the tunisian and turkish markets their top sellers and most flights from uk comparef to tom and tom starting to use tcx on turkey routes.
I know at gla they are loosing pax to tcx due to price and tc have more frequencys and seats.
With tom trying to compete they are failing in scotland on turkey and tunisia.
With toms lack of flights to these places that tc are doing so well in and cheaper.
With tom going for 189 seat 738's and thomas cook going for new A321's with 220 seats and the A330 with 323 to thomsons 290 set 787 ,
i would think tcx will remain cheaper due to the overall spread of costs plus they have full control of the tunisian and turkish markets their top sellers and most flights from uk comparef to tom and tom starting to use tcx on turkey routes.
I know at gla they are loosing pax to tcx due to price and tc have more frequencys and seats.
With tom trying to compete they are failing in scotland on turkey and tunisia.
With toms lack of flights to these places that tc are doing so well in and cheaper.
Hi all
With tom going for 189 seat 738's and thomas cook going for new A321's with 220 seats and the A330 with 323 to thomsons 290 set 787 ,
i would think tcx will remain cheaper due to the overall spread of costs plus they have full control of the tunisian and turkish markets their top sellers and most flights from uk comparef to tom and tom starting to use tcx on turkey routes.
I know at gla they are loosing pax to tcx due to price and tc have more frequencys and seats.
With tom trying to compete they are failing in scotland on turkey and tunisia.
With toms lack of flights to these places that tc are doing so well in and cheaper.
With tom going for 189 seat 738's and thomas cook going for new A321's with 220 seats and the A330 with 323 to thomsons 290 set 787 ,
i would think tcx will remain cheaper due to the overall spread of costs plus they have full control of the tunisian and turkish markets their top sellers and most flights from uk comparef to tom and tom starting to use tcx on turkey routes.
I know at gla they are loosing pax to tcx due to price and tc have more frequencys and seats.
With tom trying to compete they are failing in scotland on turkey and tunisia.
With toms lack of flights to these places that tc are doing so well in and cheaper.
- Cost isn't spread "per seat, per ticket" in such simple terms. Yield management is way, way more complicated, too complex for here, but have a look at last years profits for both carriers (publicly available at the Companies House website) and then tell me who's doing better.
- TOM don't have a "lack of flights" to Tunisia or Turkey. You're focusing on GLA as your example departure, but TOM have getting on for 20 UK+I departure points. TOM have plenty of Turkey departures, if departure point isn't your key driver.
- TCX simply do not have "full control" of the Turkish and Tunisian markets, not even remotely. TOM are an extremely strong performer in both. Go to Dalaman or Enfidha for a day and tell me how many TUI tails you see versus TCX tails.
- TOM are not chartering TCX aircraft as far as I know. TOM are certainly on occasion selling flights on many airlines (including TCX, EZY and others) as part of the holiday package, it's called dynamic packaging and it's part of TUI's strategy to sell the customer exactly what they need.
These are two UK airlines serving the entire UK market, quite a small part of which is the Scottish market. If you're to analyse profitability of both carriers and their UK operations, you really need to cast your mind wider than purely 1 or 2 Scotland airports.
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Firstly i would like to disssagree i was in dlm and bjv and.no tui tails 50 sunny hearts tho,
Also the fact that tc,s sunwing,sunprime smartline products incressing in turkey.
Also i have studyed turkish tourism from all airports for 7years as a private study on all uk airports and found tcx had more seats and flights inc the pgt flights tom/tcx use,
Newcastle has gone daily and tom have 3 per week.
Also i can confirm that tom have baught tcx seat on tc for ncl &tcx evidence can be found on thomson.co.uk on package holidays.
I must point out i do visit dlm,bjv requently to monitor this also the turkish authorities confirm tc group as their 1user in summer.
Also the fact that tc,s sunwing,sunprime smartline products incressing in turkey.
Also i have studyed turkish tourism from all airports for 7years as a private study on all uk airports and found tcx had more seats and flights inc the pgt flights tom/tcx use,
Newcastle has gone daily and tom have 3 per week.
Also i can confirm that tom have baught tcx seat on tc for ncl &tcx evidence can be found on thomson.co.uk on package holidays.
I must point out i do visit dlm,bjv requently to monitor this also the turkish authorities confirm tc group as their 1user in summer.
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Tui travel own 49% of sun wing (due to Canadian business laws) also project Phoenix has allowed Thomson to purchase seats on many airlines flying to most destinations to allow the passenger more flexibility on when they want to travel and not necessarily when Thomson has its own flights. The package is still Thomson but they travel with another carrier.
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Hi rj259,
the sunwing hotel group ,smartlinehotels,sunprime are thomas cook buisnesses and cary the sunnyheart logo of thomascook .also you say about frequency increases but not in turkeys case due to tom only offering one flight from ncl and ema to bjv next summer on tcx.
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Also pgt have one from abz for tom and tc.have 2 , man to dlm is planned daily tom dont do that and 321,757,767&A330 all full this year tom used 738& 767
Tom have only 3flughts per week to dlm from ncl on sale tcx have 7per week.
Alasdair adam
the sunwing hotel group ,smartlinehotels,sunprime are thomas cook buisnesses and cary the sunnyheart logo of thomascook .also you say about frequency increases but not in turkeys case due to tom only offering one flight from ncl and ema to bjv next summer on tcx.
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Also pgt have one from abz for tom and tc.have 2 , man to dlm is planned daily tom dont do that and 321,757,767&A330 all full this year tom used 738& 767
Tom have only 3flughts per week to dlm from ncl on sale tcx have 7per week.
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I think you will find TOM sells no seats at all, TUI UK Ltd via the Thomson and Firstchoice website sell seat only out of their 100% allocation of Thomson Airways flights.
TUI UK have very little interest in selling seat only, only packages, hence why quite often TOM seat only to Sanford is quite a bit dearer than either VS or BA to MCO and similar to other destinations.
Thomson have a fleet of over 60 aircraft in summer (including those that come over from Canada for the summer) but TUI Travel PLC has a fleet in excess of 150 aircraft, many of which will be in Turkey most days of the week (just not on all of the airlines go on the same days of the week)
TUI UK have very little interest in selling seat only, only packages, hence why quite often TOM seat only to Sanford is quite a bit dearer than either VS or BA to MCO and similar to other destinations.
Thomson have a fleet of over 60 aircraft in summer (including those that come over from Canada for the summer) but TUI Travel PLC has a fleet in excess of 150 aircraft, many of which will be in Turkey most days of the week (just not on all of the airlines go on the same days of the week)
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Hi on the tui flight only subject they sell flight only on the thomson.co.uk site on all flights inc the ncl tcx and ema tcx flights they have seats on.
Also my reserch and time on studying turkish aviation and movements tc group do more in this market and have more hotels and flight slots and cheaper than toms packages
And fill all seats and hotels i have the evidence from the turkish authorities on movements and my personal reserch
Also my reserch and time on studying turkish aviation and movements tc group do more in this market and have more hotels and flight slots and cheaper than toms packages
And fill all seats and hotels i have the evidence from the turkish authorities on movements and my personal reserch
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tom v tcx
this is a tom forum not a tcx one. as i see it, its a sort of tom and tcx as to which one does more flts than the other.
i would suggest you start a thread in the spotters forums as if this goes on much more with all this rubbis of tom v tcx then the mods will close it.
then anything that relates to tom will not be able to post.
i am relating this post to alasdair 1
i would suggest you start a thread in the spotters forums as if this goes on much more with all this rubbis of tom v tcx then the mods will close it.
then anything that relates to tom will not be able to post.
i am relating this post to alasdair 1
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would probably make sense for ThomsonFly to manage all the dreamliners and the 767's ... in case of an issue affecting longhaul, there would be more opportunity for swapping around aircraft / rescheduling if there's a bigger pool.
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There is no need for Thomson Airways (note Thomsonfly ceased to exist in 2008) to operate all of the B788, since within the next few weeks the TUI airlines will be able to swap the 787s between the TUI airlines who operate the type within a planned 2 hour window, regardless of the country the aircraft is registered in.
Don't all the airlines have different seating layouts ? I know this was something that surprised me when Arke and Jetairfly took delivery and I wondered if there were plans to standardise the layout in the future for flexibility such as this. I suppose however, with each airline offering a different inflight product suited best to their home countries, the rare time that they would probably be planning to interchange the aircraft, it wouldn't be worth such a practice. I.e technical backup etc, rather than for seasonal demands.
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As clipstone said all the 787 will be able to be flown by any airline in group, by summer 15 they will all have identical seating plans (currently the only interior difference) & operate to one OMA/OMB under EASA regs which come into force on 28/10/14, therefore a/c can move around to cover for any delays etc at very short notice without a need for local crews to operate.