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oceanhawk
Thank you and like VV stated I thought it would be a bit late to add to the long-haul schedule other than increasing the odd frequency here and there.
I assume that Manchester will see the 787 and the high-density 763 next summer but there again the 258 seat 763 operated Med routes from mid-July this year and they won't be around in summer 2015.
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I have also flown PMI - BHX on a Dan Air 1-11 in rear facing seats over the exit I think with loads of leg-room. A bit wasted on me at 5ft 8 and I was more concerned with the brief loss of pressurisation in the climb and the subsequent 24000ft cruise all the way back to BHX to worry about which way I was facing
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Pete
Thank you and like VV stated I thought it would be a bit late to add to the long-haul schedule other than increasing the odd frequency here and there.
I assume that Manchester will see the 787 and the high-density 763 next summer but there again the 258 seat 763 operated Med routes from mid-July this year and they won't be around in summer 2015.
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I have also flown PMI - BHX on a Dan Air 1-11 in rear facing seats over the exit I think with loads of leg-room. A bit wasted on me at 5ft 8 and I was more concerned with the brief loss of pressurisation in the climb and the subsequent 24000ft cruise all the way back to BHX to worry about which way I was facing
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TOM will have 4 B763s for next Summer schedule as G-OBYE is returning this Winter I thought. I guess 3 will be based at MAN, and 1 at LGW? Can anyone confirm? Also why did the B763 start so late this year at LGW, 18/07/2014 was the first date of use.
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I don't see it ever happening as the cost to the passenger of these booths will be extortionate and the average holidaymaker just won't pay the cost. I think these ideas will give way to the 'as many bums in seats as possible' way of operating.
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Lady L 2013.
The " many bums on seats " is not the Tui way. A differentiated product is the way forward. I am not saying these ideas will happen , but 12 seats were removed from the 757 last year down to 221 and and now the first 11 ish rows are sold as extra leg room ( which they are ) at a premium, so it must be more profitable ! These rows are always full. It's yield that counts. Evolve is a must.
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I think BM and BK will be gone by next summer.
Pete,
I think BM and BK will be gone by next summer.
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and now the first 11 ish rows are sold as extra leg room
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Ocean hawk - try spending 5.5 hours on a 328 763, no IFE, not even a glass of water - great differentiation ! The hotels are great, the online/mobile booking experience is great but the flight experience is awful....
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I don't understand the sarcasm - I am just giving my opinion as a customer. Bought several bottles of wine. Just saying Thomaon product good except hard flight product (not crew). BTW it was a Platinum product holiday and cost £1200 each.
If you don't believe my opinion look on the Airline Quality site. Anyway, like you say lets leave it at that.
If you don't believe my opinion look on the Airline Quality site. Anyway, like you say lets leave it at that.
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Dear members,
Talking of Thomson and their pricing it is already more than thomas cooks prices on the same product.
I visit turkey each year the average thomson seats cost is on average £150more than thomas cook altho thomas cook offer more flights per week than thomson.
Also they are £180 on avarage dearer than easyjet on the same routes to turkey shared by all 3 how is this good buisness on glasgow flights they always cruise at390 so must be low loads on the 757 if you decifer the caa figures on the routes to turkey tom and tcx do they show a tom with average of 184/221 with tcx 234/235
can someone help me with how being more expencive gain custom?
Talking of Thomson and their pricing it is already more than thomas cooks prices on the same product.
I visit turkey each year the average thomson seats cost is on average £150more than thomas cook altho thomas cook offer more flights per week than thomson.
Also they are £180 on avarage dearer than easyjet on the same routes to turkey shared by all 3 how is this good buisness on glasgow flights they always cruise at390 so must be low loads on the 757 if you decifer the caa figures on the routes to turkey tom and tcx do they show a tom with average of 184/221 with tcx 234/235
can someone help me with how being more expencive gain custom?
alasdair1
Couple of suggestions.
First, these flights to which you refer, both TCX and TOM are essentially vehicles to get ITX passengers to accommodation that the respective (vertically integrated) tour operators have contracted. If TOM has a higher proportion of seats sold / allocated to ITX passengers, then they will have fewer "flight only" seats available, which would therefore command a higher price on the dates you book / make a test booking. It may be that TCX commits more seats to "flight only" passengers, or wants to attract more flight only passengers and therefore targets that market segment more aggresively.
Second, two words "yield management". The company pitches fares to reflect demand, cost of seats already sold, number of seats remaining - and probably a ship load of other factors.
Couple of suggestions.
First, these flights to which you refer, both TCX and TOM are essentially vehicles to get ITX passengers to accommodation that the respective (vertically integrated) tour operators have contracted. If TOM has a higher proportion of seats sold / allocated to ITX passengers, then they will have fewer "flight only" seats available, which would therefore command a higher price on the dates you book / make a test booking. It may be that TCX commits more seats to "flight only" passengers, or wants to attract more flight only passengers and therefore targets that market segment more aggresively.
Second, two words "yield management". The company pitches fares to reflect demand, cost of seats already sold, number of seats remaining - and probably a ship load of other factors.
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As Anotts says, Thomson Airways provides the lift capacity for its holiday business. We want to sell the customer a holiday , not really a flight only seat. That is why our seat prices will be more than others as you point out. Tui will not just put bums on seats at any price, it's profit that counts.
Your analogy of low loads from GLA because the 757 cruises at Fl 390 is incorrect. Our 757 aircraft are mostly fitted with winglets and do wonders for performance and economy/ burn and the dream machine can reach higher cruising altitudes much quicker than those not fitted with winglets.
Your analogy of low loads from GLA because the 757 cruises at Fl 390 is incorrect. Our 757 aircraft are mostly fitted with winglets and do wonders for performance and economy/ burn and the dream machine can reach higher cruising altitudes much quicker than those not fitted with winglets.
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Dear NTnotts and all,
Thanks for the responce on this i do know tc use 20%flight only and have more aircraft seats in total on offer than thomson as well as a higher frequency than tom also.
E g tom from gla-dlm x2per week tcx x6per week
Also tom only base 2 752 221 capacity at gla tcx have 3 based with 235
Does this make a difference to why tc are cheaper than tom on package tc do have a bigger turkey portfolio than thomson in both bjv and dlm .
I am seeing slowly tom are using tcx for bjv flights next year from ncl and ema.
Tom dropped ema-bjv due to low numbers this year but even with the 3tc and ls had higer pax figures tcx max 220 seats , tom 189,ls189.
Thanks for the responce on this i do know tc use 20%flight only and have more aircraft seats in total on offer than thomson as well as a higher frequency than tom also.
E g tom from gla-dlm x2per week tcx x6per week
Also tom only base 2 752 221 capacity at gla tcx have 3 based with 235
Does this make a difference to why tc are cheaper than tom on package tc do have a bigger turkey portfolio than thomson in both bjv and dlm .
I am seeing slowly tom are using tcx for bjv flights next year from ncl and ema.
Tom dropped ema-bjv due to low numbers this year but even with the 3tc and ls had higer pax figures tcx max 220 seats , tom 189,ls189.
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Ocean,
I respectfully disagree. Considering they have taken away IFE, meals and drinks, blankets in the last 3-4 years, yet charged more for flights, I would say they are about making as much money as possible.
Is an airline are going to want (figures for arguments sake) 200 passengers paying £400pp for flights for a total of £80000 or 100 passengers paying £600pp for flights for a total of 60000? If you have these new fangled panes that are going to have less passenger capacity, but a high customer demand, you're going to need more planes. For costs sake it is more cost effective to have the minimal amount of aircraft carrying as many passengers as possible.
Considering Thomson offer no loyalty scheme as the likes of BA and VS do, it means Thomson passengers are going to be paying full whack for any privileges and is the average holiday maker going to want or be able to pay that when they can spend the money on a better hotel or stuff to do on holiday rather than a few hours on a flight?
From personal experience. We are flying to Mexico next year on the 787. They want £650 to upgrade to Premium. Unless you've got bags of money that is completely ridiculous logically £650 for 20 hours? What am I getting for that? Extra legroom, a meal choice, a 4 course dinner and an amenity kit. Already have extra luggage and seat selection thrown in as we are A La Carte. No thanks, I'd rather spend that on next years holiday, but that is my personal opinion. Now I would imagine these family booths for eample will be as expensive if not more. You are going to get very few families going to be able to pay for that.
I respectfully disagree. Considering they have taken away IFE, meals and drinks, blankets in the last 3-4 years, yet charged more for flights, I would say they are about making as much money as possible.
Is an airline are going to want (figures for arguments sake) 200 passengers paying £400pp for flights for a total of £80000 or 100 passengers paying £600pp for flights for a total of 60000? If you have these new fangled panes that are going to have less passenger capacity, but a high customer demand, you're going to need more planes. For costs sake it is more cost effective to have the minimal amount of aircraft carrying as many passengers as possible.
Considering Thomson offer no loyalty scheme as the likes of BA and VS do, it means Thomson passengers are going to be paying full whack for any privileges and is the average holiday maker going to want or be able to pay that when they can spend the money on a better hotel or stuff to do on holiday rather than a few hours on a flight?
From personal experience. We are flying to Mexico next year on the 787. They want £650 to upgrade to Premium. Unless you've got bags of money that is completely ridiculous logically £650 for 20 hours? What am I getting for that? Extra legroom, a meal choice, a 4 course dinner and an amenity kit. Already have extra luggage and seat selection thrown in as we are A La Carte. No thanks, I'd rather spend that on next years holiday, but that is my personal opinion. Now I would imagine these family booths for eample will be as expensive if not more. You are going to get very few families going to be able to pay for that.
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Lady L,
I don't think that you can compare Thomson with the likes of BA and Virgin. They are scheduled airlines, Thomson is not it is a "holiday" airline.
As of November all long haul flights will have free drinks, I'm sure not to long after all flights will have free drinks, you never know free meals will probably make another appearance as the company try to differentiate the product that they are selling.
I can understand why they removed the IFE from the flights, with the invention of personal tablets and the ability to download your own films why would they spend the money on the licence fee.
I think they will try the new seats on a certain number of aircraft to see how well they sell. If they are not that good then it's a relatively easy swop back.
I'm not saying what the company are doing is right but they are trying to be different to Thomas Cook, they are the only real competitor in the UK to Thomson.
Also the flights only cost between £100-200 of the total holiday cost I belive.
I don't think that you can compare Thomson with the likes of BA and Virgin. They are scheduled airlines, Thomson is not it is a "holiday" airline.
As of November all long haul flights will have free drinks, I'm sure not to long after all flights will have free drinks, you never know free meals will probably make another appearance as the company try to differentiate the product that they are selling.
I can understand why they removed the IFE from the flights, with the invention of personal tablets and the ability to download your own films why would they spend the money on the licence fee.
I think they will try the new seats on a certain number of aircraft to see how well they sell. If they are not that good then it's a relatively easy swop back.
I'm not saying what the company are doing is right but they are trying to be different to Thomas Cook, they are the only real competitor in the UK to Thomson.
Also the flights only cost between £100-200 of the total holiday cost I belive.
