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Old 22nd Sep 2014, 00:00
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The thing is that not all slots are created equal. A late northbound from ,LHR may not be that difficult to get slots for, LHR is quiet at that time and late departures are not very useful for long-hail. The early morning arrival would be more difficult, it's peak arrival from North America and Europe.

There are quite a few longhaul departures in the evenings: overnight flights to places as diverse as South America, Africa, India, Kazakstan, Asia, and Australia, and not just on BA/VS.
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Old 14th Oct 2014, 08:22
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Looks like the Monarch S15 schedule is going in.

e.g - Naples in the drop down menu on Monarch. Zante and Rhodes bookable via Cosmos Flights (although they have been for some time)
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Old 14th Oct 2014, 10:35
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2014 News - Flights - GET BOOKING FOR SUMMER 2015! | Flights News - Monarch
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Old 14th Oct 2014, 18:59
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What's been dropped from Leeds then? No sign of Heraklion for one.
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Old 14th Oct 2014, 19:07
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What's been dropped from Leeds then? No sign of Heraklion for one.
Looks like Monarch have dropped routes to Heraklion, Bodrum & Arrecife. (All 3 routes are well served by other airlines) Next summer remains 28x weekly rotations operated by 2x based aircraft.

No sign of the rumoured new routes to Gibraltar, Sharm el Sheikh plus it would also seem that flights to Rhodes and Zante are no longer bookable on Cosmos Holidays website.

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Old 14th Oct 2014, 20:00
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LBIA contraction

If you don't spend money on improving an airport (as was promised) then you will lose passengers, it's as simple as that. That is where LBIA is right now despite the waffle.


Operators that state 'we want to see what's going to happen before we build some new apron' etc are dinosaurs from a bygone failing era. Quite simply Manchester must be laughing their socks off as they plaster their adverts all over west Yorkshire.


I saw a tweet from @LBIAirport on 19th August concerning a girls disappointment at no playstation3 (or any kids toys anymore) in the premier lounge. It had broken and she'd been told it costs too much to replace. I think this tells you all you need to know.


Extra terminal space, apron space and parallel taxiway, all of which should have been built [if you believe the ridiculous misleading masterplan], would have shown operators and passengers alike that this airport and owner meant serious business. But if mending a PS3 is costly then airport infrastructure upgrade will be pie in the sky.


Leeds is the fastest growing big city in the UK and the airport has gigantic potential (as Manchester airport has known for 40+ years) but only if the right people are in charge.
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Old 14th Oct 2014, 20:32
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The west Yorkshire public are no fools. You drive past that airport and visually the airport has literally not changed in 30+ years since the runway extension. The only outward change is a tin weather shelter.


If the public saw that the owners were serious with the shown masterplan 'plans' then they would get behind their airport even more. Their really is a feeling of complete inertia as regards progress at LBIA that literally pushes locals to fly from a nearby airport that does spend money up front on attracting them (including putting up posters).
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Old 15th Oct 2014, 17:31
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ALWAYS BEHIND?

Actually, its almost exactly 30 years since the new (crap) runway was finished. It was October or November '84 if memory serves me right. I say crap because its inadequate for widebodies. There were 4 per week the following summer, but soon this dwindled to zero as they found not only the runway but the brand new terminal was also totally inadequate! (Its been a chaotic building site since). Despite the aircraft industry building stacks of widebodies since, approximately nil venture into LBA. Twenty years earlier, in 1965 they had just finished building the new 15/33 and though the jet age had come to most other places, they gave us a runway fit for only Viscounts!
So there is a long history and tradition of failure, of always being behind. MAN and EMA have always had the distinct advantage of 1st mover status. However, I must point out that the clowns in charge in 1965 and 1985 belonged to the Council Circus. The present owners are suffering from earlier failings, but I'm sure they're much better to have in charge, as it is clearly in their best interests for the airport to do well. The previous Council owners and their management didn't know one end of an aeroplane from t'other and were often simply "working" for their handsome pensions!
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Old 15th Oct 2014, 18:41
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At least a local MP recognises the inadequate transport links at the moment. Not sure a rail link is the only answer though.

Rail link between Leeds and Leeds Bradford Airport vital, MP claims - Yorkshire Evening Post
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Old 15th Oct 2014, 19:37
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He spoke well in Parliament, even a railway station at the closest point on the current line would be good with a regular shuttle. However at a quoted cost of 98m I think it may be a while.
Look North made a big deal about the proximity of motorways to EMA and MAN. But with MAN, coming from the east its the M62/60 combo which makes it such an unpredictable journey time for me. I know Leeds will be slowish (from York) but there are a number of routes of a similar time.
But what I couldn't get my head around was the phone number passenger forecast figures - where are they going to put all the ac to achieve this? AIUI LBA is running close to capacity in the summer - are they going to build a super ramp over the longstay car park or take over the Multi Flight area??
As for the airport experience I prefer Leeds to Manchester (unless I have to travel by train) - its smaller and friendlier. (Its 3 years since I used EMA and at that time it was a dump - especially in the rain and a 400m walk to Passport Control)
Oh and as for a PlayStation and Kids toys in the Premier lounge - to me that's not a lounge. I pay for quiet and the chance to work and I do not want to be disturbed by kids larking around whilst their parents pre-load.
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Old 16th Oct 2014, 17:31
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Agree, there's a few issues at LBA itself to shoehorn 6 or 9 million a year in rather than the current 3 million. But even supposing the investment went in to permit that and even if the market was there, we are talking about 20 to 30 thousand a day from a core catchment area in a 20 mile radius. Let's suppose rail could capture 10% of the market --optimistic. That's 2,000 to 3,000 a day. You won't justify a 100million scheme plus the operating costs on the back of that.

The nearest practical point on the railway is Horsforth. Maybe a bus from there to provide an alternative to the crawl in the 757 would be a positive immediate practical development.

Of course if Bridgepoint have a spare 100 mill that would be different.
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 14:03
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Was there ever a station in Pool (I'm assuming that's the name of the village at the bottom of Pool Bank) that could be reborn? 15 min each way on a charabanc to meet a half hourly train?
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 14:10
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There was a station which was closed in 1965 by Dr Beeching.The station and sidings is now a housing estate.
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 20:24
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A train link isn't going to happen.

Leeds supporter's were dreaming of 3 million passengers 10 years ago, Jet2, bmi, Ryanair

Its a useful regional airport, but the chance of Monarch lasting beyond winter 2015 are marginal, without the likes of easyJet its going nowhere.
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Old 17th Oct 2014, 22:00
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What a ridiculous post
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Old 18th Oct 2014, 09:32
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Particularly when you read all the angst about Easyjet on the Newcastle thread. As long as the Jet 2 business model continues to work I think Leeds is better off with a medium sized operator plus Ryanair than the risks of RYR and EZY face to face. Ultimately the strength of the regional economy will determine what happens but doubling traffic in fifteen years feels pretty optimistic to me.
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Old 18th Oct 2014, 11:16
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Agreed and when you consider the strength of the Leeds economy compared to the NE it would seem likely that LBA will overtake NCL in terms of passenger numbers sometime in the not too distant future.
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Old 18th Oct 2014, 12:01
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Quote: "A parallel taxiway would not be justified until airfield movements are consistently above 20 per hour. Even in the peak summer departure rush, it's not achieving that level, so there's a long way to go before it's needed."





This is quote from the skyscraper city forum-Leeds. It could quite possibly be from someone who works for the owners of LBIA.

Why is the statement so inaccurate? Because it is up to the airport owners to do the deals with the airlines that will create the extra movements. This is the same at any progressive airport. The statement is tantamount to a shop owner saying "we'll put a handle on the door when we get enough people coming into the shop!"


Did the owners of MAN say "we'll build a second runway when we get to 30 million passengers? No they invested their MONEY in the airport up front which meant attracting and doing deals with airlines all the easier.

No more excuses LBIA needs money spending on it - that was why it was sold. Build the extra apron space instead of parking aircraft on the taxiways. Extend the terminal instead of funnelling passengers through a cramped 1980s shell and make the airport attractive by building the parallel taxiways that will save airlines fuel.

The catchment is there, yes other issues such as surface access and direct train link also need resolving but the airport owners must lead from the front. Don't wait for things to happen go make things happen Bridgepoint like competing airports have done in the past and continue to do.
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Old 18th Oct 2014, 12:09
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I couldn't agree more, Leeds Approach. Proactivity rather than reactivity.
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Old 18th Oct 2014, 12:50
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isn't it easy to spend somebody else's money?
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