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How much of that could have actually got into Church Fenton because of runway length
There are bigger delays at Manchester just because of the sheer volume of traffic and believe it or
not we get low vis and wind as well.
There are bigger delays at Manchester just because of the sheer volume of traffic and believe it or
not we get low vis and wind as well.
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To your second point - But sheer volume of traffic creates lots of wealth whereas fog at 700ft creates no wealth.
The sheer volume of traffic at MAN is partly due to you not being at 700ft in the fog.
Yes you get low viz and wind but nowhere near as much as you would at 700ft.
To your second point - But sheer volume of traffic creates lots of wealth whereas fog at 700ft creates no wealth.
In a dog eat dog civil aviation world where airlines and airports compete to the death inefficiencies are bad bad bad and cost money and that is why I highlight them.
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Leeds gets low cloud we get fog, it`s just the position of the airfield, as soon as low viz comes in a 2 runway airport loses a very large percentage of the movements, when flow control comes in places like LGW very busy single runway and LHR and MAN and to an extent BHX and LTN
can suffer.
I thought Church Fenton used to be bad for fog with being in the Vale of York
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can suffer.
I thought Church Fenton used to be bad for fog with being in the Vale of York
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We have compromised in the North East and Yorkshire for too long and now we have the opportunity to make less of a compromise by having an airport in a better location where flights to New York will be viable (in the long term). My agenda, as you put it, is simple and has never been hidden - let's have an airport for the North East and Yorkshire in the right place so that millions of us do not have to travel to Scotland or the North West or the East Midlands to take basic flights.
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Let me be clear - any inefficiency is a bad thing as it inherently adds to costs so if there must be inefficiency let it be caused by gaining wealth rather than fog at 700ft.
We have compromised in the North East and Yorkshire for too long and now we have the opportunity to make less of a compromise by having an airport in a better location where flights to New York will be viable (in the long term). My agenda, as you put it, is simple and has never been hidden - let's have an airport for the North East and Yorkshire in the right place so that millions of us do not have to travel to Scotland or the North West or the East Midlands to take basic flights.
We have compromised in the North East and Yorkshire for too long and now we have the opportunity to make less of a compromise by having an airport in a better location where flights to New York will be viable (in the long term). My agenda, as you put it, is simple and has never been hidden - let's have an airport for the North East and Yorkshire in the right place so that millions of us do not have to travel to Scotland or the North West or the East Midlands to take basic flights.
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Well it can't be denied that you have an Agenda but seriously we can all dream but I'm afraid yours are met with constant negativity and for the right reasons as well.
It's nearly the end of 2016 are you going to debate this Agenda for ever and ever as it's becoming so boring as others on here will agree with.
It's nearly the end of 2016 are you going to debate this Agenda for ever and ever as it's becoming so boring as others on here will agree with.
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Leeds gets low cloud we get fog, it`s just the position of the airfield, as soon as low viz comes in a 2 runway airport loses a very large percentage of the movements, when flow control comes in places like LGW very busy single runway and LHR and MAN and to an extent BHX and LTN
can suffer.
I thought Church Fenton used to be bad for fog with being in the Vale of York
Ian
can suffer.
I thought Church Fenton used to be bad for fog with being in the Vale of York
Ian
Yes there will be weather related diversions and inefficiency at 'the other thread' but at a less rate than LBA at 700ft. = increased efficiency = improvement.
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You don't have to travel. Simply go to LBA. Or were you a regular user of Concorde? I think you will notice there are very few airports outside of the south east that offer long haul destinations, save a few Emirates routes. Your potential forecasts are based on the idea there is an appetite for 90% of Yorkshire jetting off to the US every year. Which they won't.
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Well it can't be denied that you have an Agenda but seriously we can all dream but I'm afraid yours are met with constant negativity and for the right reasons as well.
It's nearly the end of 2016 are you going to debate this Agenda for ever and ever as it's becoming so boring as others on here will agree with.
It's nearly the end of 2016 are you going to debate this Agenda for ever and ever as it's becoming so boring as others on here will agree with.
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So in your opinion CORK has gone due to airport location so why does every other route still operate, so it's not down to loads or anything like that but poor airport location!
Now I would have given you the benefit of the doubt seeing that your no more than an aviation enthusiast and a bit to much of one if you ask me but to blame the loss of CORK on airport location really sums you up and it may be the case that you need to see a doctor as soon as possible because after reading all your tedious posts on here I seriously think all is not well!
Now I would have given you the benefit of the doubt seeing that your no more than an aviation enthusiast and a bit to much of one if you ask me but to blame the loss of CORK on airport location really sums you up and it may be the case that you need to see a doctor as soon as possible because after reading all your tedious posts on here I seriously think all is not well!
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We have compromised in the North East and Yorkshire for too long and now we have the opportunity to make less of a compromise by having an airport in a better location where flights to New York will be viable (in the long term). My agenda, as you put it, is simple and has never been hidden - let's have an airport for the North East and Yorkshire in the right place so that millions of us do not have to travel to Scotland or the North West or the East Midlands to take basic flights.
The North East has several airports already, NCL, MME, HUY, DSA, LBA ... Why the need to concrete over even more of an otherwise beautiful county famous for it's Dales and National Park?
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You don't have to travel. Simply go to LBA. Or were you a regular user of Concorde? I think you will notice there are very few airports outside of the south east that offer long haul destinations, save a few Emirates routes. Your potential forecasts are based on the idea there is an appetite for 90% of Yorkshire jetting off to the US every year. Which they won't.
The location of the airport is critical! The airport cannot be stuck miles from motorway and main rail on top of a 700ft hill top! Cork/Copenhagen is the empiric proof that population is not being used and is being divided up (despite linking up with football teams and having giant posters!)
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So in your opinion CORK has gone due to airport location so why does every other route still operate, so it's not down to loads or anything like that but poor airport location!
Now I would have given you the benefit of the doubt seeing that your no more than an aviation enthusiast and a bit to much of one if you ask me but to blame the loss of CORK on airport location really sums you up and it may be the case that you need to see a doctor as soon as possible because after reading all your tedious posts on here I seriously think all is not well!
Now I would have given you the benefit of the doubt seeing that your no more than an aviation enthusiast and a bit to much of one if you ask me but to blame the loss of CORK on airport location really sums you up and it may be the case that you need to see a doctor as soon as possible because after reading all your tedious posts on here I seriously think all is not well!
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There are plenty of UK airports stuck miles from motorways and/or main rail, CWL, BRS, EXT, NQY, BOH, SEN, NWI, HUY, MME, NCL, BLK, LPL to name but some, his only valid argument is that LBA is elevated at some 700ft in full awareness that that is something that LBA cannot improve upon.
On this island where I live they are spending bucket loads of money on a sports arena that nobody wants whilst we don't even have a medical facility with an x-ray machine ... How about forgetting your rubber necking activities and campaign for better health facilities in Yorkshire ... i.e. Do something worthwhile and what the people want!
On this island where I live they are spending bucket loads of money on a sports arena that nobody wants whilst we don't even have a medical facility with an x-ray machine ... How about forgetting your rubber necking activities and campaign for better health facilities in Yorkshire ... i.e. Do something worthwhile and what the people want!
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There are plenty of UK airports stuck miles from motorways and/or main rail, CWL, BRS, EXT, NQY, BOH, SEN, NWI, HUY, MME, NCL, BLK, LPL to name but some, his only valid argument is that LBA is elevated at some 700ft in full awareness that that is something that LBA cannot improve upon.
On this island where I live they are spending bucket loads of money on a sports arena that nobody wants whilst we don't even have a medical facility with an x-ray machine ... How about forgetting your rubber necking activities and campaign for better health facilities in Yorkshire ... i.e. Do something worthwhile and what the people want!
On this island where I live they are spending bucket loads of money on a sports arena that nobody wants whilst we don't even have a medical facility with an x-ray machine ... How about forgetting your rubber necking activities and campaign for better health facilities in Yorkshire ... i.e. Do something worthwhile and what the people want!
The Yorkshire region is under gigantic attack from very very efficient accessible competition and therefore the location of a Leeds and Yorkshire airport is utterly utterly critical. Moving an airport just a short distance can more than triple the passenger throughput.
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LEEDS APPROACH
'You are all loyal spotters and I appreciate that'
I have not been a spotter for over 30 years and back then facts didn't get in the way but as you get older and wiser you realise that facts mean a lot so I suggest you start to appreciate them rather than going round and round in circles regarding Church Fenton as its your pipe dream after all but you CONTINOUSLY try and push your personal agenda which to be honest has become VERY boring so could you please stop it or write to your local MP instead of posting utter dribble on here, as I said before you come across as VERY immature.
'You are all loyal spotters and I appreciate that'
I have not been a spotter for over 30 years and back then facts didn't get in the way but as you get older and wiser you realise that facts mean a lot so I suggest you start to appreciate them rather than going round and round in circles regarding Church Fenton as its your pipe dream after all but you CONTINOUSLY try and push your personal agenda which to be honest has become VERY boring so could you please stop it or write to your local MP instead of posting utter dribble on here, as I said before you come across as VERY immature.
