Chaos at Terminal 5
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T5
I loved the sign shown in the BBC news from T5.
It read," Welcome to our new home".
Judging by the chaos and delayed flights it should
read " WECOME TO YOUR NEW HOME".
Are you LHR based BAengineering ?
Can you nip across and amend it?
It read," Welcome to our new home".
Judging by the chaos and delayed flights it should
read " WECOME TO YOUR NEW HOME".
Are you LHR based BAengineering ?
Can you nip across and amend it?
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Funny distraction
Enough of this misery, Wee Willie is on his way out.........
The link below takes you to the new T5 security training video.. Hilarious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7AWw7t5zj0
Enjoy
The link below takes you to the new T5 security training video.. Hilarious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7AWw7t5zj0
Enjoy
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MoL speaks on the Ryanair website.......fair comment I think
Ryanair’s Michael O’Leary said:
“This morning’s chaos at Heathrow provides further compelling evidence of the need to break up the BAA monopoly. We should allow competition between the London airports to deliver more efficient facilities, better passenger service and lower costs where the BAA airport monopoly has failed.
“If the BAA London airport monopoly was split up, competition would deliver better services and efficient terminals which actually work as opposed to complicated Taj Mahals like Heathrow’s T5. It is high time to break up this BAA airport monopoly”
Ryanair’s Michael O’Leary said:
“This morning’s chaos at Heathrow provides further compelling evidence of the need to break up the BAA monopoly. We should allow competition between the London airports to deliver more efficient facilities, better passenger service and lower costs where the BAA airport monopoly has failed.
“If the BAA London airport monopoly was split up, competition would deliver better services and efficient terminals which actually work as opposed to complicated Taj Mahals like Heathrow’s T5. It is high time to break up this BAA airport monopoly”
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Not our finest hour
What's with the 'Not our finest hour'
Wee Willie, you said you were taking full responsiability'
Quote: 'The buck stops with me' (though i did think he said boook?)
Therefore I must rephrase the BA PR statement to the following;
'Yesterday was definitely not British Airways' finest hour, it was a moment of pivotal change within the airline. For many years we have mistreated and abuse ourstaff, been ignorant of their efforts. As a result of this and the T5 fiasco I tender my resignation live and direct to the British public. I have made a mamouth and wholy unacceptable managerial cockup. goodbye'
Maybe give Wille a helping hand and write your own departure speech. You never know, with the popularity of PPrune within watershed, the communication lot might actually select one for his use.
Farewell Willie, nice knowing you. Go maire sibh bhur saol nua
Wee Willie, you said you were taking full responsiability'
Quote: 'The buck stops with me' (though i did think he said boook?)
Therefore I must rephrase the BA PR statement to the following;
'Yesterday was definitely not British Airways' finest hour, it was a moment of pivotal change within the airline. For many years we have mistreated and abuse ourstaff, been ignorant of their efforts. As a result of this and the T5 fiasco I tender my resignation live and direct to the British public. I have made a mamouth and wholy unacceptable managerial cockup. goodbye'
Maybe give Wille a helping hand and write your own departure speech. You never know, with the popularity of PPrune within watershed, the communication lot might actually select one for his use.
Farewell Willie, nice knowing you. Go maire sibh bhur saol nua
Of course the group of people who are actually responsible for making a complete nation throughly ashamed of itself is the one group who would be surprised, offended even, that anyone should think that they should give up the income and perks derived from doing nothing except vote when they are told to, and not even knowing that it was all going horribly wrong.
Some of them are Spanish, of course, and wouldn't actually care, even if they did know.
They are all frightfully nice chaps, I expect. You know, the kind of team player who doesn't rock the boat.
Step forward the Directors of both companies. For further amusing reading on the backgrounds of these useless idiots, and their qualifications to run our national airline and primary gateways, there's a link under each list. In fact some of the links to BA Directors have been preserved when I copied the list.
The BAA list is, as we can see, out of date. However I've left it like it is because both lists are lifted from their websites today. Why is it no surprise that it's wrong?
British Airways
Martin Broughton, Chairman
Willie Walsh, Chief Executive
Keith Williams, Chief Financial Officer
Martin van den Bergh Non-Executive Director
Baroness Kingsmill Non-Executive Director
Jim Lawrence Non-Executive Director
Baroness Symons Non-Executive Director
Ken Smart Non-Executive Director
Alison Reed Non-Executive Director
Dr Martin Read Non-Executive Director
Chumpol NaLamlieng Non-Executive Director
http://www.bashares.com/phoenix.zhtm...=irol-govBoard
(Don't you just love " Alison Reed is a Trustee of Whizz-Kidz. She was a Trustee of BBC Children in Need from 1994 - 2000. Alison’s interests include travel and theatre. She enjoys long walks on the beach on the south coast." BA's safe in her hands, then.)
BAA
Sir Nigel Rudd, Non-Executive Chairman
Stephen Nelson, Chief Executive Officer
José Leo, Chief Financial Officer
Luis Sánchez Salmerón, Deputy Chief Executive Officer
Eng Seng Ang, Non-Executive Director
Richard Drouin, Non-Executive Director
Renaud Faucher, Non-Executive Director
Ghislain Gauthier, Non-Executive Director
Ínigo Meirás, Deputy Chairman and Non-Executive Director
José María Pérez Tremps, Non-Executive Director
Lord Stevens, Non-Executive Director
Nicolás Villén Jimenez, Non-Executive Director
http://www.baa.com/portal/page/Corpo...0357e120a____/
Are we going to see any non-exec Director sackings for doing a bad job?
Ummmm, no. We're even unlikely to see many executive sackings, in my view.
Some of them are Spanish, of course, and wouldn't actually care, even if they did know.
They are all frightfully nice chaps, I expect. You know, the kind of team player who doesn't rock the boat.
Step forward the Directors of both companies. For further amusing reading on the backgrounds of these useless idiots, and their qualifications to run our national airline and primary gateways, there's a link under each list. In fact some of the links to BA Directors have been preserved when I copied the list.
The BAA list is, as we can see, out of date. However I've left it like it is because both lists are lifted from their websites today. Why is it no surprise that it's wrong?
British Airways
Martin Broughton, Chairman
Willie Walsh, Chief Executive
Keith Williams, Chief Financial Officer
Martin van den Bergh Non-Executive Director
Baroness Kingsmill Non-Executive Director
Jim Lawrence Non-Executive Director
Baroness Symons Non-Executive Director
Ken Smart Non-Executive Director
Alison Reed Non-Executive Director
Dr Martin Read Non-Executive Director
Chumpol NaLamlieng Non-Executive Director
http://www.bashares.com/phoenix.zhtm...=irol-govBoard
(Don't you just love " Alison Reed is a Trustee of Whizz-Kidz. She was a Trustee of BBC Children in Need from 1994 - 2000. Alison’s interests include travel and theatre. She enjoys long walks on the beach on the south coast." BA's safe in her hands, then.)
BAA
Sir Nigel Rudd, Non-Executive Chairman
Stephen Nelson, Chief Executive Officer
José Leo, Chief Financial Officer
Luis Sánchez Salmerón, Deputy Chief Executive Officer
Eng Seng Ang, Non-Executive Director
Richard Drouin, Non-Executive Director
Renaud Faucher, Non-Executive Director
Ghislain Gauthier, Non-Executive Director
Ínigo Meirás, Deputy Chairman and Non-Executive Director
José María Pérez Tremps, Non-Executive Director
Lord Stevens, Non-Executive Director
Nicolás Villén Jimenez, Non-Executive Director
http://www.baa.com/portal/page/Corpo...0357e120a____/
Are we going to see any non-exec Director sackings for doing a bad job?
Ummmm, no. We're even unlikely to see many executive sackings, in my view.
This is amusing: Baggage retrieval riot 
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T5
I'd love to go to see the You Tube video about the
T5 training, but I can only take so much in a day,
And it may have an adverse effect on my medication
Thank Goodness I live near Gatwick!
T5 training, but I can only take so much in a day,
And it may have an adverse effect on my medication
Thank Goodness I live near Gatwick!
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And from the T5 part of the ba.com web
"The creation of Terminal 5 was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for us to redefine air travel. Our aim was to replace the queues, the crowds and the stress with space, light and calm."
And how have they gone about this??? Well they have hacked off the travelling public so much that they will not be booking BA, hence the T5 will remain light and calm as there will be no passengers to make queues!
"The creation of Terminal 5 was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for us to redefine air travel. Our aim was to replace the queues, the crowds and the stress with space, light and calm."
And how have they gone about this??? Well they have hacked off the travelling public so much that they will not be booking BA, hence the T5 will remain light and calm as there will be no passengers to make queues!
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Balanced view
I know I'm being incredibly naive but a more balanced view from the UK media would be welcomed. The BBC and Sky still have scolling banners proclaiming "more flights cancelled" or similar. To my knowledge no new flights have been cancelled today - i.e. other than the 36 that were planned and published at the start of the day. This just creates further panic from passengers planning to travel and more people cancelling or calling up to check their flights. I've seen most of the coverage today and not once have they mentioned that the 36 flights were cancelled in advance to create a firebreak. In fact the BBC News 24 reporter has just said that no flights seem to have been cancelled after 8:00pm tonight - that's because none were planned to be!
Neither has there been mention of other problems with other new airports. This article sounds very familiar...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...fic/129891.stm
DEN, KUL and BKK all had problems with their openings too.
Neither has there been mention of other problems with other new airports. This article sounds very familiar...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...fic/129891.stm
DEN, KUL and BKK all had problems with their openings too.
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Symptomatic of UK plc today. Everything designed by committee which is too far away from reality. No connection between management and implementers. No one wants to rock the boat, or take responsibility for delivery. Am not at all surprised at how corporate UK could screw up such a high profile mission in such a spectacular fashion.
But they probably had plenty of vision and mission statements as well as committments to "shareholder value", what about the bloody customers, and I include to certain extent BA as a customer.
Also what kind of a moron have they hired as head of security, who seems to think he/she is doing a good job if no staff get in and those pax that do manage to get in get fingerprinted (on the back burner for now thank god)
But they probably had plenty of vision and mission statements as well as committments to "shareholder value", what about the bloody customers, and I include to certain extent BA as a customer.
Also what kind of a moron have they hired as head of security, who seems to think he/she is doing a good job if no staff get in and those pax that do manage to get in get fingerprinted (on the back burner for now thank god)
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Everything still seems to be leaving T5 an hour or more late today so what's still going wrong?
Love Willie on Sky News "hey it's a brand new terminal building". Yes it's a shame you didn't realise that last week so you could ramp up the staff numbers until they got used to it.
Love Willie on Sky News "hey it's a brand new terminal building". Yes it's a shame you didn't realise that last week so you could ramp up the staff numbers until they got used to it.
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Its been an open secret for months now amongst all BA employees at the coal face that the grand opening would be a damp squib. Rumours of bungled trials, staff not turning up, T5 reps exclaiming 'itll all be ok on the day' etc. buts its the scale of the debacle that is frightening. Apparently muttered misgivings were reported back to Waterworld but completely brushed aside, and now here we are, wee Willie crestfallen on international TV his big shiny new Wonka factory a shambles.
(Please spare a thought for those poor souls trying to sort out wee Willies mess as we speak, one of whom had her nose broken yesterday by an irate pax)
(Please spare a thought for those poor souls trying to sort out wee Willies mess as we speak, one of whom had her nose broken yesterday by an irate pax)
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The BAA list is, as we can see, out of date. However I've left it like it is because both lists are lifted from their websites today. Why is it no surprise that it's wrong?
British Airways
Martin Broughton, Chairman
Willie Walsh, Chief Executive
Keith Williams, Chief Financial Officer
Martin van den Bergh Non-Executive Director
Baroness Kingsmill Non-Executive Director
Jim Lawrence Non-Executive Director
Baroness Symons Non-Executive Director
Ken Smart Non-Executive Director
Alison Reed Non-Executive Director
Dr Martin Read Non-Executive Director
Chumpol NaLamlieng Non-Executive Director
http://www.bashares.com/phoenix.zhtm...=irol-govBoard
(Don't you just love " Alison Reed is a Trustee of Whizz-Kidz. She was a Trustee of BBC Children in Need from 1994 - 2000. Alison’s interests include travel and theatre. She enjoys long walks on the beach on the south coast." BA's safe in her hands, then.)
Brilliant Reply.......Try a google search on them and you'll find little to reccommend them to a main board. So tell me Baroness Kingsmill apart from being on the competition board what have you achieved and how in your career....
The BAA list is, as we can see, out of date. However I've left it like it is because both lists are lifted from their websites today. Why is it no surprise that it's wrong?
British Airways
Martin Broughton, Chairman
Willie Walsh, Chief Executive
Keith Williams, Chief Financial Officer
Martin van den Bergh Non-Executive Director
Baroness Kingsmill Non-Executive Director
Jim Lawrence Non-Executive Director
Baroness Symons Non-Executive Director
Ken Smart Non-Executive Director
Alison Reed Non-Executive Director
Dr Martin Read Non-Executive Director
Chumpol NaLamlieng Non-Executive Director
http://www.bashares.com/phoenix.zhtm...=irol-govBoard
(Don't you just love " Alison Reed is a Trustee of Whizz-Kidz. She was a Trustee of BBC Children in Need from 1994 - 2000. Alison’s interests include travel and theatre. She enjoys long walks on the beach on the south coast." BA's safe in her hands, then.)
Brilliant Reply.......Try a google search on them and you'll find little to reccommend them to a main board. So tell me Baroness Kingsmill apart from being on the competition board what have you achieved and how in your career....
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A single word has recently appeared to characterise the behavior of many large US businesses and certainly the US government, and now, sadly, it seems very applicable to the Europeans as well. DYSFUNCTIONAL!
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T5 The TRUE reason
The penny has JUST dropped!
You have ALL fallen for it!
The reason for all this is that Wee Willie is in league
with Red Ken and they will shortly introduce a NEW
charge for aircraft polluting the skies over London.
Devious WW has decided to reduce air travel to an
acceptable level until they can BOTH agree on just
how much BA will have to fork out!
And you thought it was a cock-up! HAHAHA!
You have ALL fallen for it!
The reason for all this is that Wee Willie is in league
with Red Ken and they will shortly introduce a NEW
charge for aircraft polluting the skies over London.
Devious WW has decided to reduce air travel to an
acceptable level until they can BOTH agree on just
how much BA will have to fork out!
And you thought it was a cock-up! HAHAHA!
Fiasco at PPRuNe
I don't think I've ever seen a PPRuNe thread where the signal/noise ratio was so poor; nowt but the media bollocks>media-based whinge>more media bollocks quoting media-based whinge cycle, people who think "short back and sides" is a qualification for software developers (ffs, you've never heard of Jon Postel, have you...), I told you so because my dog sniffs somebody who lives next door to Richard Rogers' wife's hairdresser's dog's backside, plain I told you so without explanation...
Only the A319 posts have any content.
The problem here is that upgrading something that's already in use is always harder than starting from scratch; it's always the way. Also, for my contribution to the unfounded speculation mountain, is it not possible that the focus on delivering the building on time and on budget, plus the epic relief and self congratulation when this was achieved, has got in the way of the next lot of problems?
Only the A319 posts have any content.
The problem here is that upgrading something that's already in use is always harder than starting from scratch; it's always the way. Also, for my contribution to the unfounded speculation mountain, is it not possible that the focus on delivering the building on time and on budget, plus the epic relief and self congratulation when this was achieved, has got in the way of the next lot of problems?