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Now Now Scot.
We all know the real actual routeing was GLA-BFS-BGR-SFB-BFS-GLA
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/G...117Z/EGAA/KBGR
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/G...854Z/KBGR/KSFB
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GSM726
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We all know the real actual routeing was GLA-BFS-BGR-SFB-BFS-GLA
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/G...117Z/EGAA/KBGR
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/G...854Z/KBGR/KSFB
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/GSM726
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GSM scot.
You did very well. Take it you didnt see the congratuations post?. Just proves you can do it (eastbound) but delay was as predicted Westbound. Still....1/2 way there is a HUGE improvement.
Looking forward to the back to back flights this week...
You did very well. Take it you didnt see the congratuations post?. Just proves you can do it (eastbound) but delay was as predicted Westbound. Still....1/2 way there is a HUGE improvement.
Looking forward to the back to back flights this week...
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Who really cares? Just the few people on here? Passengers will speak with their credit cards... not on an airline forum! GSM royally messed up last year.
The media will be watching them. Pax have heard of or experienced them and forums spread bad words about them. If they have any sense they will be working extra hard to improve. Hopefully they have learned from their mistakes and will sort stuff out ready for the summer season.
One question i have, How full are these flights that are going via BGR? If pax get a good deal they will fly anyone (Look at Ryanair!)
Is the stop off really that big a deal? Airlines did it for years before. Monarch still do it every so often with A300's to rescue delayed/tech A330's/767 flights.
Its obviously some kind of commercial decision thats been made and people should live with. Again, if you dont like it, dont fly them! The 767 will be back for summer.
No-one has raised the shocking winter season Thomsonfly have had, with only 4 of the 8 767's in the country. (4 leased to Garuda) and a very tight long haul program for both themselves and P&O flights. They had massive delays some weeks that were hard to recover from.
Zoom haven't had the greatest few months either both the Canadian and UK airlines.
Z4123 due to depart GLA at 1500 is still "scheduled" Why hasn't anyone picked up on that?
Chill out people. If GSM messes it up the select few can sit there with big 'i told u so' grins
If they pull it back and make it a success then good on them and give them a break!
They are a very successful short haul carrier and went a bit crazy with their long haul program, which has been tightened up for the coming summer
The media will be watching them. Pax have heard of or experienced them and forums spread bad words about them. If they have any sense they will be working extra hard to improve. Hopefully they have learned from their mistakes and will sort stuff out ready for the summer season.
One question i have, How full are these flights that are going via BGR? If pax get a good deal they will fly anyone (Look at Ryanair!)
Is the stop off really that big a deal? Airlines did it for years before. Monarch still do it every so often with A300's to rescue delayed/tech A330's/767 flights.
Its obviously some kind of commercial decision thats been made and people should live with. Again, if you dont like it, dont fly them! The 767 will be back for summer.
No-one has raised the shocking winter season Thomsonfly have had, with only 4 of the 8 767's in the country. (4 leased to Garuda) and a very tight long haul program for both themselves and P&O flights. They had massive delays some weeks that were hard to recover from.
Zoom haven't had the greatest few months either both the Canadian and UK airlines.
Z4123 due to depart GLA at 1500 is still "scheduled" Why hasn't anyone picked up on that?
Chill out people. If GSM messes it up the select few can sit there with big 'i told u so' grins
If they pull it back and make it a success then good on them and give them a break!
They are a very successful short haul carrier and went a bit crazy with their long haul program, which has been tightened up for the coming summer
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I'd hardly say slating them.
All i'm saying is last year was a disaster, they know this and hopefully they have learned from their mistakes ready for this year.
Just because they are flying a 757 to SFB (which seems to be the main topic) for whatever reason doesn't mean they may not sort things out by the summer. They are not the first airline to do it, and wont be the last. If it bothered the passengers that much then the flights would be going empty and they would pull the route.
If things dont improve, then more fool them and i take it all back
All i'm saying is last year was a disaster, they know this and hopefully they have learned from their mistakes ready for this year.
Just because they are flying a 757 to SFB (which seems to be the main topic) for whatever reason doesn't mean they may not sort things out by the summer. They are not the first airline to do it, and wont be the last. If it bothered the passengers that much then the flights would be going empty and they would pull the route.
If things dont improve, then more fool them and i take it all back
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The problem isnt with them flying the 757 accross the pond, it the fact they are doing nothing to reinstate ETOPS on the route when using it.
They know its going to take longer and are hiding behind it stating its only adding 1-1.5 hours or so to the flight. That maybe true but they are omitting adding that as from next week, the flights start to go back to back with short turns so the 1.5 hour turn they have scheduled has just vanished on the longer route.
Next flight out leaves late, arrives late and the delays accumulate. If it was a one off and there was no evidence to show it wasn't going to be regular then there wouldnt be a problem. Fact is it is obvious, there is evidence and even on just a single flight a week with an overnight turn it is regular.
Despite being asked directly GSM dont tell anyone anything, they wont admit there will be delays so the passengers cant make alternative arrangements to cover. THAT IS WHAT THE POSTS ARE ABOUT.... If everyone would read the posts (that have information and not whiners and moaners) and actually absorb the information being written they would see that..
GSM can make it all go away simply by changing the schedules NOW so passengers can make proper arrangements and not have to wait until checkin to have it confirmed. They havent, and as it stands their sched is about as believable as the stories of them getting ETOPS back 'in the near future'.
Dont like the posts... Fine, but simply adding to the trash when people are trying to get info from a forum that just might be able to help isnt doing them or you any good.
They know its going to take longer and are hiding behind it stating its only adding 1-1.5 hours or so to the flight. That maybe true but they are omitting adding that as from next week, the flights start to go back to back with short turns so the 1.5 hour turn they have scheduled has just vanished on the longer route.
Next flight out leaves late, arrives late and the delays accumulate. If it was a one off and there was no evidence to show it wasn't going to be regular then there wouldnt be a problem. Fact is it is obvious, there is evidence and even on just a single flight a week with an overnight turn it is regular.
Despite being asked directly GSM dont tell anyone anything, they wont admit there will be delays so the passengers cant make alternative arrangements to cover. THAT IS WHAT THE POSTS ARE ABOUT.... If everyone would read the posts (that have information and not whiners and moaners) and actually absorb the information being written they would see that..
GSM can make it all go away simply by changing the schedules NOW so passengers can make proper arrangements and not have to wait until checkin to have it confirmed. They havent, and as it stands their sched is about as believable as the stories of them getting ETOPS back 'in the near future'.
Dont like the posts... Fine, but simply adding to the trash when people are trying to get info from a forum that just might be able to help isnt doing them or you any good.
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THAT IS WHAT THE POSTS ARE ABOUT.... If everyone would read the posts (that have information and not whiners and moaners) and actually absorb the information being written they would see that..
The rest of the post is pure speculation as usual.
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'Completely inane and inaccurate remark.
Care for some facts about Glasgow to Sanford and return
Nov 07 (data from CAA for GLA Deps and Arrs - latest available)
Departures
Total 11
On time 6 (defined as early or up to 15 mins late as per CAA)
16 to 30 mins late 2
60 to 180 mins late 2
over 180 mins late 1
Arrivals
Total 11
On time 9 (defined as early or up to 15 mins late as per CAA)
16 to 30 mins late 1
60 to 180 mins late 1
BTW I have no connection with GSM and have never flown with the, just abhor speculation and conjecture.
Ex'
Very true. Unfortunatley the issues being talked about just now is for this year with GSM's own A/C. Your data relates to 2007 where the route was covered predominantly by leased in A/C and crews. More importantly the issues relate to flights in the next few weeks and before more leasing 'fixes' it again . If you have any up to date information then by all means let us know..
Care for some facts about Glasgow to Sanford and return
Nov 07 (data from CAA for GLA Deps and Arrs - latest available)
Departures
Total 11
On time 6 (defined as early or up to 15 mins late as per CAA)
16 to 30 mins late 2
60 to 180 mins late 2
over 180 mins late 1
Arrivals
Total 11
On time 9 (defined as early or up to 15 mins late as per CAA)
16 to 30 mins late 1
60 to 180 mins late 1
BTW I have no connection with GSM and have never flown with the, just abhor speculation and conjecture.
Ex'
Very true. Unfortunatley the issues being talked about just now is for this year with GSM's own A/C. Your data relates to 2007 where the route was covered predominantly by leased in A/C and crews. More importantly the issues relate to flights in the next few weeks and before more leasing 'fixes' it again . If you have any up to date information then by all means let us know..
You did ask for info
Dec 07 (data from CAA for GLA Deps and Arrs - now available)
Departures
Total 7
On time 3 (defined as early or up to 15 mins late as per CAA)
16 to 30 mins late 2
31 to 60 mins late 2
60 to 180 mins late 0
over 180 mins late 0
Arrivals
Total 8
On time 6 (defined as early or up to 15 mins late as per CAA)
16 to 30 mins late 1
31 to 60 mins late 0
60 to 180 mins late 0
over 360 mins late 1 (already documented as tech aircraft)
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Speculation aside, do we KNOW what is operating the long haul program this summer yet? I understand that B767s G-CDPT and G-CEFG are remaining with Air India for the summer....so is it the case that they will have the B757 and the remaining B767?
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Exasperated.. ' The rest of the post is pure speculation as usual.'
Yet another who didnt read the previous posts and absorb.... Speculation?. Maybe... But until proven otherwise its closer to the mark than GSM will admit.... And has been proven correct so far.
As for the number of posts re GSM... Since their incompetence has personally affected me, my family and friends then its the only company I've been interested in finding out about.
After last year, no one thought they could be as bad again but we've been proved wrong there havent we..
Had it been any other airline who had done the same then it would be them being posted about. But then you DID read all of the posts so you know that already.....dont you?
And unlike many who appear to have time to spend posting against posts I'd prefer trying to get some info and data that can be used.
If you dont have anything positive to add, or information interested passengers might be able to use then dont post. If all you want to do is slate posts to see your own text in type, send a PM to the poster and if they feel inlcined to waste time feeding your need of attention then they'll reply.
When GSM do something right on the SFB route then it will be posted about.. unfortunately they havent done much of that.... but again, you've read the posts so already know ..... dont you??
Exasperated... Sorry if this came across a bit fierce. Just fed up trying to get info from GSM, and people who havent been affected by their stupidy passing comments on posts where pax are simply trying to get answers.
If you feel personally insulted or offended I apologise.
Yet another who didnt read the previous posts and absorb.... Speculation?. Maybe... But until proven otherwise its closer to the mark than GSM will admit.... And has been proven correct so far.
As for the number of posts re GSM... Since their incompetence has personally affected me, my family and friends then its the only company I've been interested in finding out about.
After last year, no one thought they could be as bad again but we've been proved wrong there havent we..
Had it been any other airline who had done the same then it would be them being posted about. But then you DID read all of the posts so you know that already.....dont you?
And unlike many who appear to have time to spend posting against posts I'd prefer trying to get some info and data that can be used.
If you dont have anything positive to add, or information interested passengers might be able to use then dont post. If all you want to do is slate posts to see your own text in type, send a PM to the poster and if they feel inlcined to waste time feeding your need of attention then they'll reply.
When GSM do something right on the SFB route then it will be posted about.. unfortunately they havent done much of that.... but again, you've read the posts so already know ..... dont you??
Exasperated... Sorry if this came across a bit fierce. Just fed up trying to get info from GSM, and people who havent been affected by their stupidy passing comments on posts where pax are simply trying to get answers.
If you feel personally insulted or offended I apologise.
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are the neos coming for the summer,im due to fly out to sfb mid jun and would like a rough idea which plane i would be on.Keep hearing everything will be fine for the summer but a little reasurrance would be appreciated
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Since their incompetence has personally affected me, my family and friends then its the only company I've been interested in finding out about.
End of discussion, no point really, you already have your agenda and that won't change.
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We hear a lot about how all will be fine come the summer. Can someone define 'summer' for me. From our booking reference (S08) it would seem we are booked to travel in Summer 08 but the timetable on Globespan's website has our flight listed as Winter 07 with Summer 08 beginning on April Fool's Day Is there something due to happen on April 1st which will suddenly improve things or can we still be hopeful for improvements sooner or what?
Is there something due to happen on April 1st which will suddenly improve things or can we still be hopeful for improvements sooner or what?
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What other airline discusses there plans with passengers ?
Can you imagine phoneing up BRITISH AIRWAYS and asking when they are going to get there ETOPS back.
mm0wjk what information do you have regarding what GSM are doing to restart ETOP flights ? I will tell you, NONE and because you don't have any information you asume, incorrectly that they are doing nothing.
Can you imagine phoneing up BRITISH AIRWAYS and asking when they are going to get there ETOPS back.
mm0wjk what information do you have regarding what GSM are doing to restart ETOP flights ? I will tell you, NONE and because you don't have any information you asume, incorrectly that they are doing nothing.
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So GSM Scot. Enlighten us all re ETOPS then. Saying nothing, getting no answers and the question is body swerved or ignored at every turn.
Still no updates on the scheds, still no info passed to pax, still no confirmation that GSM are doing anything to improve situation.. If you are so absolutely positive about it, tell us all when it will be reinstated, or are we to 'assume' it will magically appear when and if replacement A/C arrive from a company that can meet the CAA maintenace levels required and you 'Magically' start flying ETOPS routes again? I feel a body swerve, slopey shoulder answer coming.....
Maybe you can answer at least one question without dropping you or the company in it though.. When, exactly does this mystical 'Summer Season' actually start on the GSM calander?. Not 'Near Future' but a definitive date. Not a difficult question or are you and GSM as uncertain on that as you are on the ETOPS
Honestly, you'd think GSM only employed politicians the way the avoid answering direct questions...
BTW, liked your comment re airlines telling pax anything.. That from the company hand book too?
Still no updates on the scheds, still no info passed to pax, still no confirmation that GSM are doing anything to improve situation.. If you are so absolutely positive about it, tell us all when it will be reinstated, or are we to 'assume' it will magically appear when and if replacement A/C arrive from a company that can meet the CAA maintenace levels required and you 'Magically' start flying ETOPS routes again? I feel a body swerve, slopey shoulder answer coming.....
Maybe you can answer at least one question without dropping you or the company in it though.. When, exactly does this mystical 'Summer Season' actually start on the GSM calander?. Not 'Near Future' but a definitive date. Not a difficult question or are you and GSM as uncertain on that as you are on the ETOPS
Honestly, you'd think GSM only employed politicians the way the avoid answering direct questions...
BTW, liked your comment re airlines telling pax anything.. That from the company hand book too?
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The question ought to be " can you imagine BA having their ETOPS removed" sorry that should be " can you imagine BA asking the CAA to remove their ETOPS approval" come on GSM we all know Globespan have had a rough time and are working hard to sort things out (see add in Flight) there main problem seem to stem from long haul ops, it looks to me like the previous FOD thought going long haul was like going to AGP, only a bit further??
They clearly have access to funds, so with some fresh blood and some time they may have turned a corner
They clearly have access to funds, so with some fresh blood and some time they may have turned a corner