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Another news story dropped into my in-box today, thought some may be interested:
Newmarket Holidays, which offers a range of breaks from Kent International Airport, has chartered additional flights to Croatia this summer after the scenic Balkan country proved hugely popular when it made its debut as a destination last year.
Four different itineraries for Croatian holidays are among the 18 different packages Newmarket has unveiled for 2009. Venice, Lake Garda, Rome, Sorrento, Tuscany, Pompeii, Salzburg and Innsbruck are other highlights of Newmarket’s popular escorted tours to Italy and Austria, flying from Kent International Airport.
The company offers holidays from Kent International Airport from 14 April, when the first flight of the year leaves for the Mediterranean island of Malta.
Alison Keeble, Regional Charter Director at Newmarket Holidays, said: "We were testing the water with flights to Croatia last year but the response was phenomenal and it is easy to see why.
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The Monthly report:
Kent International handled 2,554 tonnes of freight in December – down 37% on the same month in 2007.
Cargolux tonnage substantially increased against the prior year and EgyptAir performance was also up. However, this was offset by MK Airlines which was down by more than 50% against December 2007.
At 15,289 tonnes, the year-to-date freight performance is 28% down on the same period in 2007.
Kent International handled 2,554 tonnes of freight in December – down 37% on the same month in 2007.
Cargolux tonnage substantially increased against the prior year and EgyptAir performance was also up. However, this was offset by MK Airlines which was down by more than 50% against December 2007.
At 15,289 tonnes, the year-to-date freight performance is 28% down on the same period in 2007.
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Hm, mixed set of reports/opportunities.
The move of MK into administration has certainly hit tonnage, but comparison with last year gives cause for optimism.
British Global is doing 2 per week from Nairobi, as is Cargolux. The latter is now doing 2 per week from Accra. EgyptAir has been busier this January than last, and should soon move back to 3 per week from Cairo.
The biggy is, of course, BAWC. My hunch is that they'll sign.
The other biggy is Flybe. If the relationship develops they'll be in the running for domestic/near continental routes.
Newmarket is just a bit of jam.
The collapse of the pound must be helping with competition with Oostende, and even Amsterdam.
The move of MK into administration has certainly hit tonnage, but comparison with last year gives cause for optimism.
British Global is doing 2 per week from Nairobi, as is Cargolux. The latter is now doing 2 per week from Accra. EgyptAir has been busier this January than last, and should soon move back to 3 per week from Cairo.
The biggy is, of course, BAWC. My hunch is that they'll sign.
The other biggy is Flybe. If the relationship develops they'll be in the running for domestic/near continental routes.
Newmarket is just a bit of jam.
The collapse of the pound must be helping with competition with Oostende, and even Amsterdam.
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I have been looking at the location of the proposed Thames Airport.
It you draw a line north mid way Whitstable Herne Bay north about 13 miles, worth a look at the web site. Also shows a road tunnel off the m2
and rail links off the CTRL west of Ashford and Averley.
web site teaco
It you draw a line north mid way Whitstable Herne Bay north about 13 miles, worth a look at the web site. Also shows a road tunnel off the m2
and rail links off the CTRL west of Ashford and Averley.
web site teaco
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Bawc & Mse
Tell why would BAWC come to MSE ? from their already established prefered airport at STN.
So what is your hunch based on, i read that BA managers have been allegedly seen at MSE, but does that make them up sticks and move to MSE ???
So what is your hunch based on, i read that BA managers have been allegedly seen at MSE, but does that make them up sticks and move to MSE ???
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Here at waterside BA Headquaters most people may have knowledge of Kent but I doubt the majority have ever heard of KIA. STN is geared up for our flts and many other wide bodied frieght a/c. Futhermore it provides a centre for the SE UK with ease of access to the major motorways. It is also important to consider how the customer views the operation, STN is a major UK airport instantly recognisable. To start an operation at KIA may lack customer appeal and moving out of STN immediately lets someone else move in and take your business.
In this climate be thankfull for the little bit you have got as things can only get much worse I fear. Finally both LGW and STN have lots of capacity at this time, no doubt both will be actively seeking new customers and undercut anyone when the need is great.
In this climate be thankfull for the little bit you have got as things can only get much worse I fear. Finally both LGW and STN have lots of capacity at this time, no doubt both will be actively seeking new customers and undercut anyone when the need is great.
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stn - bad points-night curfew-slot co ordinated- if london area wx bad -atc problems plus fog and bad when it happens-
good points- road access - bip facility- handling equipment and handling co's
mse-bad points -night curfew (flexable) but manning hours an issue-bad for flight planning as no long term wx forecasts issued- runway length- cat 1
good points-un congested-very good cargo handling teams- ease of access
we operate 4 times a week- in and out normally turnround within an hour or just over and this in some cases with 100+ tonnes..
room for both in the south east definitely
good points- road access - bip facility- handling equipment and handling co's
mse-bad points -night curfew (flexable) but manning hours an issue-bad for flight planning as no long term wx forecasts issued- runway length- cat 1
good points-un congested-very good cargo handling teams- ease of access
we operate 4 times a week- in and out normally turnround within an hour or just over and this in some cases with 100+ tonnes..
room for both in the south east definitely
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I never quite understand why Manston gets tipped for all this growth, particularly for passenger traffic.
It's in the middle of nowhere, with few local pax living nearby, and dreadful road/rail connections.
What am I missing?
It's in the middle of nowhere, with few local pax living nearby, and dreadful road/rail connections.
What am I missing?
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How would your views change if MSE goes to ILS cat 3 and 24/7 opening?
any chance of that ??-a slightly longer runway would be nicer - also need to be -8F compatable on the twys and all this by 2010
any chance of that ??-a slightly longer runway would be nicer - also need to be -8F compatable on the twys and all this by 2010
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Newmarket Holidays, which offers a range of breaks from Kent International Airport, has chartered additional flights to Croatia this summer
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Controversial plans for even more night flights above Thanet are being considered.
The shock proposals, which could become a reality as early as this May, would see dozens more flights into Kent International Airport every month.
The first planes would take off or land at Manston from 6am and would operate until 11.30pm.
Airport owner Infratril is in talks with a major European airline that wants to use the site for long haul international cargo movements. The as-yet-unnamed company hopes to fly 747 aircraft into airport up to 11 times a week.
The idea would require a step change to the section 106 environmental agreement that restricts the airport's operations and is likely to be met with much opposition.
Cllr Richard Nicholson, leader of Thanet Labour group, is "appalled, angry and surprised" at the detail of the announcement, which was made unexpectedly at a hastily-called press conference this morning.
He said: "It's wrong that information should be released to the media and therefore the public at a conference arranged by the council when many of its own members had no idea of the conference or of its content.
"Infratil has indicated it wants alterations to the night flying policy, which is the right and proper way to proceed. But the Section 106 agreement advises that there should be a substantial consultation period before any alterations are made to agreed flying times."
Councillors will debate the issue at an extraordinary meeting next Thursday and, if approved, a revised Section 106 agreement would be in place for the next 18 months.
Thanet council says the document would then be reviewed every six months until a comprehensive night time flying policy covering the period from 2010 and 2018 is drawn up.
Cllr Roger Latchford, deputy leader of Thanet council, said: "The application has only just come in and the council is moving quickly to ensure that everyone is able to have their say on it.
"This is an important issue for Thanet and one that residents would expect us to carefully debate."
The shock proposals, which could become a reality as early as this May, would see dozens more flights into Kent International Airport every month.
The first planes would take off or land at Manston from 6am and would operate until 11.30pm.
Airport owner Infratril is in talks with a major European airline that wants to use the site for long haul international cargo movements. The as-yet-unnamed company hopes to fly 747 aircraft into airport up to 11 times a week.
The idea would require a step change to the section 106 environmental agreement that restricts the airport's operations and is likely to be met with much opposition.
Cllr Richard Nicholson, leader of Thanet Labour group, is "appalled, angry and surprised" at the detail of the announcement, which was made unexpectedly at a hastily-called press conference this morning.
He said: "It's wrong that information should be released to the media and therefore the public at a conference arranged by the council when many of its own members had no idea of the conference or of its content.
"Infratil has indicated it wants alterations to the night flying policy, which is the right and proper way to proceed. But the Section 106 agreement advises that there should be a substantial consultation period before any alterations are made to agreed flying times."
Councillors will debate the issue at an extraordinary meeting next Thursday and, if approved, a revised Section 106 agreement would be in place for the next 18 months.
Thanet council says the document would then be reviewed every six months until a comprehensive night time flying policy covering the period from 2010 and 2018 is drawn up.
Cllr Roger Latchford, deputy leader of Thanet council, said: "The application has only just come in and the council is moving quickly to ensure that everyone is able to have their say on it.
"This is an important issue for Thanet and one that residents would expect us to carefully debate."
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"I never quite understand why Manston gets tipped for all this growth, particularly for passenger traffic.
It's in the middle of nowhere, with few local pax living nearby, and dreadful road/rail connections."
What do you mean by 'middle of nowhere'? The vast majority of users of major airports live nowhere near them - it's not the people who live near Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted and Luton etc that keep them going, it's the majority who travel long distances to get there. There are literally millions of people who live within a couple of hours drive from Manston. One of the drawbacks to using those major airports is that travelling to them is usually awful, particularly the nearer you get. One of the advantages to Manston is that it has motorway/dual carriageway all the way from London. On approaching the airport you are not snarled up in traffic like approaching Heathrow, for instance. In a few months there will also be a high-speed rail link from Ramsgate. This is far from 'dreadful road/rail connections'.
It's in the middle of nowhere, with few local pax living nearby, and dreadful road/rail connections."
What do you mean by 'middle of nowhere'? The vast majority of users of major airports live nowhere near them - it's not the people who live near Heathrow, Gatwick, Stansted and Luton etc that keep them going, it's the majority who travel long distances to get there. There are literally millions of people who live within a couple of hours drive from Manston. One of the drawbacks to using those major airports is that travelling to them is usually awful, particularly the nearer you get. One of the advantages to Manston is that it has motorway/dual carriageway all the way from London. On approaching the airport you are not snarled up in traffic like approaching Heathrow, for instance. In a few months there will also be a high-speed rail link from Ramsgate. This is far from 'dreadful road/rail connections'.
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A very true answer energy2, but I'm sure someone will come along to disagree.
I used Manston in the days of EuJet and at the time lived 65 miles from there. Though Gatwick and Stansted were far nearer the airport was a breeze and much like the experience you get at LCY where you step off the plane and your through arrivals in less than 5 minutes. No waiting for buses to take you to the car park either. Time wise was probably on par with Gatwick and Stansted when you take these factors into account, but I for one would much rather use smaller airports like Manston and would love to see some better passenger use made of it. Even living in London now, I'd much rather use Manston than the "big three" if we were only given the chance again, but with the way things are economically I don't think we'll see much if anything this year.
I used Manston in the days of EuJet and at the time lived 65 miles from there. Though Gatwick and Stansted were far nearer the airport was a breeze and much like the experience you get at LCY where you step off the plane and your through arrivals in less than 5 minutes. No waiting for buses to take you to the car park either. Time wise was probably on par with Gatwick and Stansted when you take these factors into account, but I for one would much rather use smaller airports like Manston and would love to see some better passenger use made of it. Even living in London now, I'd much rather use Manston than the "big three" if we were only given the chance again, but with the way things are economically I don't think we'll see much if anything this year.
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(Controversial plans for even more night flights above Thanet are being considered.)
You say more night flights, I was not aware night flights were going into MSE now, what is this traffic.
You say more night flights, I was not aware night flights were going into MSE now, what is this traffic.
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the road to MSE is uncluttered because no-one goes there. If they get 6mppa as they wish, I'd suggest it will get a little bit busier. Plus Thanet Earth salad machine has not started deliveries yet. Dozens more lorries per hour at busy times.Time from the Blackwall to Ramsgate is 1hr 15 mins on a clear run at the speed limit.
High speed rail comes in in December - to Ramsgate. 1hour, 24 mins. Plus a bus journey over 7kms. Another 20/30mins to get on, off, wait?
2008 Night flights to December 2008 - 57, up from 11 in 2006. Latest proposal is for 11-1130pm and 6-7am. Out of hours, not really night
High speed rail comes in in December - to Ramsgate. 1hour, 24 mins. Plus a bus journey over 7kms. Another 20/30mins to get on, off, wait?
2008 Night flights to December 2008 - 57, up from 11 in 2006. Latest proposal is for 11-1130pm and 6-7am. Out of hours, not really night
One of the advantages to Manston is that it has motorway/dual carriageway all the way from London. On approaching the airport you are not snarled up in traffic like approaching Heathrow, for instance.
In a few months there will also be a high-speed rail link from Ramsgate.
BTW - please don't think I'm knocking MSE. I do think it has a viable future, but probably in freight rather than passengers.
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all good points, the high speed trains offer only a few trains a very limited service.
Perhaps we should ask the 300,000 who used EUJET in its very short life, why they used it.
I lived at Tonbridge at the time and found MSE better that Gatwick, but to fair it all depends what time your flights are.
Going to the Major airports by road you need to build a few hours for delays and Heathrow I found to be a nightmare round the M25.
For longhaul better to go the day before and stay in hotel for a morning flight.
Using trains from the south east you have to cross london to get to all the Airports, except Gatwick which is very well served by train from London, but the cross county services are poor with no late trains.
I did use Southampton a few times by train from Tonbridge changing at waterloo which I found very easy.
The last factor is price, if the price is right the punters will come.
Perhaps we should ask the 300,000 who used EUJET in its very short life, why they used it.
I lived at Tonbridge at the time and found MSE better that Gatwick, but to fair it all depends what time your flights are.
Going to the Major airports by road you need to build a few hours for delays and Heathrow I found to be a nightmare round the M25.
For longhaul better to go the day before and stay in hotel for a morning flight.
Using trains from the south east you have to cross london to get to all the Airports, except Gatwick which is very well served by train from London, but the cross county services are poor with no late trains.
I did use Southampton a few times by train from Tonbridge changing at waterloo which I found very easy.
The last factor is price, if the price is right the punters will come.