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Old 21st Jul 2009, 21:47
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Maybe EI first asks those airlines that are shareholders when it needs an a/c...
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Old 21st Jul 2009, 21:56
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Maybe Aer Lingus will do whatever it takes to serve their passengers.

Wonder if Ryanair would pull out the stops to rescue their passengers?
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Old 22nd Jul 2009, 07:38
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I doubt it's anything to do with shareholders.

How many other airlines have idle aircraft of the right size ready to fly from Dublin?
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Old 22nd Jul 2009, 17:10
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Have heard some rumours, admittedly third hand, of EI looking at smaller aircraft; how much smaller they'll go (i.e. anything smaller than the A319?) and to what extent their hands are tied to Airbus remains to be seen, but I understand that they are well aware that an all-320/321 fleet is probably not in their best interests.

Also, can anyone confirm that the planned lease of EI-EAV to CI has fallen through?
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Old 22nd Jul 2009, 22:53
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Have heard some rumours, admittedly third hand, of EI looking at smaller aircraft; how much smaller they'll go (i.e. anything smaller than the A319?) and to what extent their hands are tied to Airbus remains to be seen, but I understand that they are well aware that an all-320/321 fleet is probably not in their best interests.
A319's might be an option and would have a slightly longer range than the A320/21's (3700nm vs 3000). Although, what new potential routes would an extra 700nm open? How cost effective is the A319 or even A318 versus its bigger siblings on shorter/lighter load routes? Could a 117 seat A318 or 156 seat A319 be operated with 1 fewer cabin crew than a 180 seat A320 to increase the cost effectiveness?

The other option, if retaining the fleet commonality is a key, would be to wet lease in ATR's, Q400's or some flavour of R-jet for the lighter traffic/shorter routes keeping the larger heavier metal for the busier/longer runs.

No doubt, Herr Mueller will have some ideas (at least we hope so).

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Old 23rd Jul 2009, 00:07
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A319

If an A319 was operated it would have to have 150 seats or less to have 3 Cabin crew on board. It would depend on the operating costs of the 319 Vs the 320 as to whether the one less Cabin crew would make it an attractive and more profitable option.
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Old 23rd Jul 2009, 10:50
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@ CallBell

Is the 150 seat or less limit on 3 cc a regulatory requirement or an EI work practice?

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@ Just a Spotter

It is an IAA regulation. 1 FA to 50 passengers (or more correctly, seats) is the generally accepted minimum across the world. Australia is an exception to this, I think it is 1:36 there.

In EI layout the A319 would probably seat 144, or perhaps 147 if they went with two toilets, instead of three.
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Thx Brian


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Old 25th Jul 2009, 08:28
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"Aer Lingus must cut 800 jobs as losses of €150m forecast" - writes independent.ie today.
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Old 25th Jul 2009, 10:27
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Small glimmer of hope - LHR/SNN to gain 3rd rotation from October. Clearly there is demand for this service for both onward connections and as an alternative to FR.
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Old 25th Jul 2009, 14:43
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LHR/SNN

Am not surprised at a possible addition on this route. It always seemed to have the passenger numbers; one day, someone will explain why it was really suspended.
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Old 25th Jul 2009, 20:00
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Am not surprised at a possible addition on this route. It always seemed to have the passenger numbers; one day, someone will explain why it was really suspended.
There's no mystery. The person in charge at the time doesn't appear to have been up to the job.
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Old 25th Jul 2009, 20:49
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ditto, made a dogs dinner of it using that bloody stupid MBA buy your degree phrase "going forward".

AL says bloxhams if they dont get their house in order in 18months will be down to their last 200m.....racedo and the bouys will have a field day over this but i'd just hate to see one sole carrier having the monoply out of ireland.
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Old 25th Jul 2009, 22:59
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AL says bloxhams if they dont get their house in order in 18months will be down to their last 200m.....racedo and the bouys will have a field day over this but i'd just hate to see one sole carrier having the monoply out of ireland.
Nope not a field day just a reinforcement of what have been saying for a long period of time that EI's cash is at risk.

A €150 Million loss plus €120 Million on reorganisation plus capital investment will halve the €630 Million EI had on 31st of December 2008. The proposed cuts of 800 people assumming a pay off of 60k per person on average takes another €50 Million cash out of the business, reality is it may be double that.

It not a shock that they have appointed a foreigner, he basically is been given the job of chopping people out of the business and fact he is a foreigner can be blamed on him. EI is not doing anything until he starts.

As BA pointed out a number of months ago when cash reaches a certain level, in BA's case they believed something around 500 Million they expect creditors to start cutting their trade terms, in EI's case its probably half that when which hurts cash even more.

2010 won't be as bad as 2009 BUT I would say EI's future is borderline based on current conditions however I expect that to change.
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Old 26th Jul 2009, 00:45
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The proposed cuts of 800 people
The men with the beards won't easily agree to that. That would be another shedload of contributions gone out of their salaries.

Looks like another round of the usual coming up:
Management insist on cuts.
Unions say no.
Strikes threatened.
Wary passengers book with other airlines so Revenue down.
Eventually costly redundancy package agreed but not after further heavy losses due to the delay.
Cash pile running even lower.

Or is that too bleak a scenario to paint?
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Old 26th Jul 2009, 03:36
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Management insist on cuts.
Unions say no.
Strikes threatened.
Would it be reasonable to get the unions to propose cuts that would save €150m a year, or would their function be to defend against any such cuts at the risk of failure of the business instead?
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Old 26th Jul 2009, 10:06
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instead of cutting jobs, why doesnt EI go down the route that BA went? reduced pay, unpaid work for a period of time etc etc...

in this current climate, i cant see too many employees saying no to it, as anyone with common sense will do anything to stay in a job

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Old 26th Jul 2009, 13:58
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EI future

What about getting rid of persistantly loss making routes, even if they are politically sensitive? Either Aerlingus is a commercialy driven company or it's not. The days of it being an arm of the State are meant to be over.
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Old 26th Jul 2009, 17:02
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any suggestions on what routes?
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