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Considering the current state of the world's financial markets and the possibility of a UK recession, Flybe are not likely to float/sell anytime soon.
An IPO was probably looking right for Flybe at the time of that 2006 article above but that was prior to any financial jittering within the US and now the UK. The priorities of the owners is unlikley to have changed however it may be that an IPO may not now be right, however I think a sale by any other means is still very likely - whoever the interested party may be.
BA (who are unlikely to be involved in my opinion) gave Flybe a large sum of money when Flybe acquired BACon but i'll not be the one taking bets that they'll not get most of it back following flotation if investment is made in the near future to expand Flybe.
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E195's
Old news.............
This document from last November clearly mentions the post-integration fleet as consisting of 60 Q400's and 16 E195's.............with a further 5 Q400's for future growth.
This document from last November clearly mentions the post-integration fleet as consisting of 60 Q400's and 16 E195's.............with a further 5 Q400's for future growth.
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Quote<1) Alot of freight is transported in the hold of the 146, there is no way the Dash Eight could match it. As we all know freight makes airlines more money than passengers.>
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The freight doesn't make more money than the passengers, but it's a very useful addition to the bottom line. The shippers in Guernsey and on the mainland that use the island routes for freight need the extra capacity the jet has. A Q400 fully loaded with pax + bags can only get 100k of freight, and that only if the bags haven't volumed out the hold. Temporary relief for the summer with the 146 staying, but not good news if the 195 still can't be used W08.
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Geo
The freight doesn't make more money than the passengers, but it's a very useful addition to the bottom line. The shippers in Guernsey and on the mainland that use the island routes for freight need the extra capacity the jet has. A Q400 fully loaded with pax + bags can only get 100k of freight, and that only if the bags haven't volumed out the hold. Temporary relief for the summer with the 146 staying, but not good news if the 195 still can't be used W08.
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We were in the same position this time last year the Isle of YouKnowWhere, with loads of courier carrried daily. We were very worried when we got our 146 taken off us and a Q4 in it's place.
However, when you actually do the sums for how much a Q400 saves the company in fuel and maintenance costs compared to what you lose in freight revenue, it simply doesn't add up. You couldn't fill both holds of a 146 with enough freight, no matter how well it pays at today's rates, to cover the fuel savings alone.
The Q400 with no freight and restricted loads to 78, will actually make so much more in a year than a 146 pounding back and forth at lower than optimum levels chucking 2 tonnes plus per hour out the back, you'd be amazed. No wonder the acountants love them.
The sums are that big it's a very hard argument to overcome with misty eyed affection for the 146. Day in and day out, you will still get room for some high value/time sensitive courier. The freight forwarders simply have to learn to package it in smaller consignments to make sure it gets across bit by bit as we do.
If it comes as a large single manifested load, it either travels or doesn't. if it's several smaller lumps, some gets on, the rest follows. That's how you box clever and keep some of the business.
Doesn't land as nicely though. Having said that, on really rough days, like this week, when you pine for the old Jumbalino, we've still managed a few smoothish arrivals. As for reliability, far better than we expected too.
Answer= Q400 and add rotations when it's peak season. it's working for us!
However, when you actually do the sums for how much a Q400 saves the company in fuel and maintenance costs compared to what you lose in freight revenue, it simply doesn't add up. You couldn't fill both holds of a 146 with enough freight, no matter how well it pays at today's rates, to cover the fuel savings alone.
The Q400 with no freight and restricted loads to 78, will actually make so much more in a year than a 146 pounding back and forth at lower than optimum levels chucking 2 tonnes plus per hour out the back, you'd be amazed. No wonder the acountants love them.
The sums are that big it's a very hard argument to overcome with misty eyed affection for the 146. Day in and day out, you will still get room for some high value/time sensitive courier. The freight forwarders simply have to learn to package it in smaller consignments to make sure it gets across bit by bit as we do.
If it comes as a large single manifested load, it either travels or doesn't. if it's several smaller lumps, some gets on, the rest follows. That's how you box clever and keep some of the business.
Doesn't land as nicely though. Having said that, on really rough days, like this week, when you pine for the old Jumbalino, we've still managed a few smoothish arrivals. As for reliability, far better than we expected too.
Answer= Q400 and add rotations when it's peak season. it's working for us!
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Flybe Floatation + A/C
Latest from various sources at EXT:
1. No floatation due to state of markets etc. Realistically looking at this time next year at the earliest.
2. Due to -8 and 195 order timings combined with 145 returns, BALPA have been spoken to regarding hull for hull 145/195 swaps and associated crew issues. (145 crews go onto whichever hull replaces their airframe be that -8 or 195)
3. Revisions of Pilot and CCM scheduling agreement to be complete by 1st April
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1. No floatation due to state of markets etc. Realistically looking at this time next year at the earliest.
2. Due to -8 and 195 order timings combined with 145 returns, BALPA have been spoken to regarding hull for hull 145/195 swaps and associated crew issues. (145 crews go onto whichever hull replaces their airframe be that -8 or 195)
3. Revisions of Pilot and CCM scheduling agreement to be complete by 1st April
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I'm certainly not getting misty-eyed over the demise of the 146. It's just a shame that the 195 is being kept out of GCI by local Island politics.
The difference between IOM and the Channel Islands with freight is that there is 4 x as much to JER and GCI as there is to IOM, and all the shippers want the first flight. LGWGCI regularly carries 800-900Kg.
GB
I'm certainly not getting misty-eyed over the demise of the 146. It's just a shame that the 195 is being kept out of GCI by local Island politics.
The difference between IOM and the Channel Islands with freight is that there is 4 x as much to JER and GCI as there is to IOM, and all the shippers want the first flight. LGWGCI regularly carries 800-900Kg.
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GB, I know, I often see it sat on the ramp. The point is the profits from even this much are still less than the coast savings of the Q4. Depending on bulk, you should be able to get 3-400kg on a LGW-GCI flight. Best of luck on the political front. It's bad enough here in the middle of the Irish Sea so I sympathise.
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With the recently announced expansion at NCL, do Flybe have intentions to begin recruitment for CC and FD to be locally based? Or are they utilising existing crews to operate the flights? With the number of daily flights, NCL is prime for a base - with LGW, SOU, BHD, EXT, ABZ, JER, LIG and RNS being served and alledged plans for more!
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Absolutely no word on a crewing plans, so expect all crew to be nightstopped from other bases for the forseeable future until NCL proves itself to be a worthwhile proposition for the very costly business of setting up a permanent crew base. Bit of a pisser for the large number of crew (many of whom are ex-NCL based British European crews) who would like to bid for NCL as a home base. 
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Nqy - Lgw
Now that Flybe has annouced the NCL & ABZ routes ex LGW is that now the end of the expansion from this airport ?. 
Any more news on the planned NQY - LGW service that has been talked about over the last few months ?
Or were the slots that were obtained used for the Newcastle flights instead ?
bagmanlgw
Any more news on the planned NQY - LGW service that has been talked about over the last few months ?
Or were the slots that were obtained used for the Newcastle flights instead ?
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its all gone fairly quiet as far as NQY-LGW goes with flybe
i dont think that it is the end of the expansion plans ex NQY
certainly CCC are hoping and planning lots more routes as they are currently expanding the terminal further & i for one am sure that Flybe and WOW will feature very highly in future new routes
i dont think that it is the end of the expansion plans ex NQY
certainly CCC are hoping and planning lots more routes as they are currently expanding the terminal further & i for one am sure that Flybe and WOW will feature very highly in future new routes
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It appears that crewing at Flybe is definately becoming a problem.
The NWI/EDI/NWI evening route (a very popular and profitable route) has been chopped every Tuesday for the last month, additionally, the NWI/DUB/NWI flight failed to materialise yesterday, (again, a very popular and profitable route).
The reason given to customers was a shortage of pilots.
If it's happening here, it must be happening elsewhere and you'd think that they would have overcome such difficulties by now.
Very poor service.
The NWI/EDI/NWI evening route (a very popular and profitable route) has been chopped every Tuesday for the last month, additionally, the NWI/DUB/NWI flight failed to materialise yesterday, (again, a very popular and profitable route).
The reason given to customers was a shortage of pilots.
If it's happening here, it must be happening elsewhere and you'd think that they would have overcome such difficulties by now.
Very poor service.
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Cobblers!
The company is anything but short of pilots. Major complaint from crew at the moment is that we're all sitting around twiddling our thumbs because there isn't enough work to do. Plenty of guys around to operate NWI flights even if NWI itself has a crewing issue.
Somebody is telling you porky pies my friend.
The company is anything but short of pilots. Major complaint from crew at the moment is that we're all sitting around twiddling our thumbs because there isn't enough work to do. Plenty of guys around to operate NWI flights even if NWI itself has a crewing issue.
Somebody is telling you porky pies my friend.