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Bmi Belfast airport move sparks FlyBE fury!!
Bmi Belfast airport move sparks Flybe fury - Business News, Business - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk
Is Baby to self hand like BD??
Bmi Belfast airport move sparks Flybe fury - Business News, Business - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk
Is Baby to self hand like BD??
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I hope not!! What would happen to the interlining agreements, the code-shares and accruement of diamond club points at BD levels?? Would this not also incur addition expense at LHR bringing in an additional brand?
Is Belfast not a solid performer for BD, as always spouted in their press releases. Really can't see why BHD would be different from GLA or EDI, especially as the Scottish airports also have direct BA competition.
Is Belfast not a solid performer for BD, as always spouted in their press releases. Really can't see why BHD would be different from GLA or EDI, especially as the Scottish airports also have direct BA competition.
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Having operated in and out of both BHD & BFS both as crew and fare paying pax, both have their merits and down sides, from a NI residents point of view it good to have the choice of both airports and the various airline that support them, clearly flybe are throwing their teddies out of the pram and i guess the worst that could happen is that BA (who 15% of Flybe) re start BHD, not a chance in my view so Rutter will have to live with it. What would be a bad out come would be Flybe doing say 4 times a day to EDI from EMA.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a night stopper at BHD from baby and a base inside two years or they could move the Cardiff operation up to BHD and do a BHD-CWL-MED-CWL-BHD selling the MED's from both BHD & CWL that would get round any payload restrictions and no more than an hour to the overall flight time, allowing FAO,AGP,ALC,PMI,IBZ,MLA to be sold from BHD
Don't see baby into LHR least not in its current brand format, plus the unions at bmi would go ape
I wouldn't be surprised to see a night stopper at BHD from baby and a base inside two years or they could move the Cardiff operation up to BHD and do a BHD-CWL-MED-CWL-BHD selling the MED's from both BHD & CWL that would get round any payload restrictions and no more than an hour to the overall flight time, allowing FAO,AGP,ALC,PMI,IBZ,MLA to be sold from BHD
Don't see baby into LHR least not in its current brand format, plus the unions at bmi would go ape
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I wouldn't be surprised if LH have made a strategic move here. It seems logical to combine operations at a group level at one airport. Still have the problems of two brands, which probably limits the usefulness of the move.
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BFS101 - you've hit the nail on the head: that's exactly why Belfast is different from GLA or EDI; BA are there - the competition in Belfast is another loco (Aer Lingus), ground handling & infrastructure are readily available from "big" bmi as a nil-cost item at LHR; if bmi mainline are still at BHD in 6 months time, I really will "eat my hat".
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Guys ,I dont think anyone had seen this coming.A total knee jerk and desperate action from both BCA and the bmi group.No way will bmibaby be able to compete with flybe on these routes especially for business pax.A bigger picture will emerge I think, so as the bmi group can make an excuse that the routes are no longer profitable and a mass pull out from Northern Ireland will occur.The Luftansa group are not going to throw money at bmi forever and maybe this is the excuse they need.Bad decision in the meantime though.Also spare a thought for the people up the road now facing redundancy and to be told five weeks before christmas.I hope Sealink spares a thought for his excellent news for these people....
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I sincerely hope that jobs at risk at BFS due to this moved are saved, relocated etc. It is however interesting to note that there have been many 'thoughts' about those whose jobs are at risk relating to this move but when FR pulled out of BHD (an airline carrying approx 3 times the pax) there was an almost universal good ridance. Double standards methinks.
As for the whole double standards/knee jerk etc. Maybe I am being simplistic but does it not make sense to have 2 parts of the same airline at a common location to reduce costs/overheads etc. I'm sure it would if that loaction had been BFS.
Finally the airport management - part of their job is to attract airlines & passengers and thus ensure a healthy profit. And despite earlier coments, passengers, any passengers = profit. revenue from airlines is only a small part of airport profit. Most of it is car parking, retail, advertising etc.
As a regular passenger through BHD I say well done.
As for the whole double standards/knee jerk etc. Maybe I am being simplistic but does it not make sense to have 2 parts of the same airline at a common location to reduce costs/overheads etc. I'm sure it would if that loaction had been BFS.
Finally the airport management - part of their job is to attract airlines & passengers and thus ensure a healthy profit. And despite earlier coments, passengers, any passengers = profit. revenue from airlines is only a small part of airport profit. Most of it is car parking, retail, advertising etc.
As a regular passenger through BHD I say well done.
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Dontdoit, but therefore bmi have a niche, a product that pretty much all other airlines operating into NI don't have. Those passengers that require connections, are business travellers with frequent flyer points, want lounge access, part of an alliance or maybe people who just believe they're above flying low cost etc... Bmi at BHD have this market to themselves, maybe with the exception of EI to Heathrow from Aldergrove, plus can still attract the savvy leisure passenger.
Would seem somewhat strange to give up this market and niche, that apparently is still very successful from Belfast; to become just another low cost operation.
Don't know anything more than what's in the public domain already, but believe it would be a huge loss if bmi pulled to be replaced with baby, in terms of service, convenience and brand.
Would seem somewhat strange to give up this market and niche, that apparently is still very successful from Belfast; to become just another low cost operation.
Don't know anything more than what's in the public domain already, but believe it would be a huge loss if bmi pulled to be replaced with baby, in terms of service, convenience and brand.
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Rinty,this is no job well done.All Fr crews were offered rellocation and Fr only paid for 1 check in staff at BHD.Youre comparison is null and void.Fr crew also board the flights.I take it youre a spotter and cant possibly know the ins and outs of actually working for an actual airline.
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Mutleyshreik - I dont work for an airline BUT in the first instance FR had at least one based aircraft so technically had more staff based in BHD than BD have in BFS (I'm assuming that BD are not BFS based - I stand to be corrected).
Irrelevant anyway becasue the actual airline staff are a small number compared to the support staff including catering, security, retail etc in airport.
It is in fact your comparison that is 'null & void'. One airline withdrawing completely from the market has a much larger effect (employment wise) than another much smaller airline moving 20 miles.
Irrelevant anyway becasue the actual airline staff are a small number compared to the support staff including catering, security, retail etc in airport.
It is in fact your comparison that is 'null & void'. One airline withdrawing completely from the market has a much larger effect (employment wise) than another much smaller airline moving 20 miles.
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How wrong you are Rinty.Yes Fr gone from Bhd and now WW gone from BFS.Same thing really.Support staff ground staff ticket desk staff dispatchers loaders pushback drivers shop assistants cafe staff security personel atc marshallers et all.Only Fr dident pay for as many staff to there operation on the ground as any other airline,and all their own staff have been relocated as I said.Null and void as I said.
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Mutley - my last retort - getting tedious (for other viewers).
Are you seriously trying to suggest that the removal of an LC airline with approx 110 rotations per week carrying in excess of 800,000 pax will have a lesser effect, employment wise, than the removal of another with appox 50 rotations per week carrying apporx 250,000 passengers.
If so, you have no grasp of basic economics.
Are you seriously trying to suggest that the removal of an LC airline with approx 110 rotations per week carrying in excess of 800,000 pax will have a lesser effect, employment wise, than the removal of another with appox 50 rotations per week carrying apporx 250,000 passengers.
If so, you have no grasp of basic economics.
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Spare a thought indeed . . .
Mutleyshriek ....... Sealink does spare a thought for those people re the excellent news of baby moving to BHD. rather not have comments like that directed my way again !! You dont make a good mind reader. this is the business of the airline industry. Lufthansa taking control and bringing the 2 airlines of the bmi family under 1 roof.
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Rinty, is mutleyshriek not talking about direct job losses. When FR pulled out of BHD it could be argued that hospitality jobs were hit in Belfast and across NI; however as far as I'm aware no servisair or BHD staff were made redundant. FR were pretty self sufficient in many ways, and their cabin crew offered relocation posts.
Baby however when they move from BFS, could well lead to direct job losses in terms of ground handling, ramp, check-in etc.
It is almost that job losses in other industries aren't as hard hitting, as they are not colleagues, friends, family members etc, but when an airline such as Baby moves it could be colleagues, and friends of people on here getting the heave ho.
I can totally see the logic of wanting to have bmi and baby under the one roof, and that BHD is a preffered location for many inc the airlines, but entering a new airport with competition on every route!!! Gone are the days when BHD was seen as the regional business orientated airport with the higher end carriers, smaller aircraft / high frequency; and BFS the loco and charters operating the larger jets and longer routes.
See on the BFS thread, rumour of LTN operating again from Aldergrove. Anyone heard this in reputable circles??
Baby however when they move from BFS, could well lead to direct job losses in terms of ground handling, ramp, check-in etc.
It is almost that job losses in other industries aren't as hard hitting, as they are not colleagues, friends, family members etc, but when an airline such as Baby moves it could be colleagues, and friends of people on here getting the heave ho.
I can totally see the logic of wanting to have bmi and baby under the one roof, and that BHD is a preffered location for many inc the airlines, but entering a new airport with competition on every route!!! Gone are the days when BHD was seen as the regional business orientated airport with the higher end carriers, smaller aircraft / high frequency; and BFS the loco and charters operating the larger jets and longer routes.
See on the BFS thread, rumour of LTN operating again from Aldergrove. Anyone heard this in reputable circles??
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Rinty, you might as well talk to a brick wall. Anyone who believes either the ATC or Security staffing levels at BFS would be affected by WW`s move yet can`t see that FR`s withdrawal would surely by his own incorrect assumption make more of a difference, well, what can you say.
The funny thing about the latest round of musings by the BFS groupies is that they have already forgotten how happy they were when EI set up camp in the Antrim countryside and simply duplicated already well established routes.
The funny thing about the latest round of musings by the BFS groupies is that they have already forgotten how happy they were when EI set up camp in the Antrim countryside and simply duplicated already well established routes.
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Baby however when they move from BFS, could well lead to direct job losses in terms of ground handling, ramp, check-in etc.
I think its all a bit of a kick in the teeth for BE, after jumping in to fill the gap left by FR, saving routes and jobs.. then BHD's management allows bmibaby in with routes already served, bit like... "thank you BE, but
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.Loads of Poles waiting for