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Old 20th May 2009, 12:17
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cant FR keep their mouth shut for just one positive story on EI? i guess not, because they clearly feel threatened (or are they just sore from the rejected take overs?)

ofcourse their passenger numbers will be higher with them having more rotations and shorter routes...

its the second largest airline at BFS, which the article is talking about... although i had to read the article 3 times before i picked up on it
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Old 20th May 2009, 20:55
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Titan 146

I noticed at 2145 a Titan BAe 146 on approach to BFS. I also saw a similar machine last night.
Is this a freight flight or is on a scheduled service?
According to the arrivals board there are 2 scheduled service that are due at this time , ie that compare to the arrival time of this plane. EZY from Paris and EZY from Bristol.

Guesses are that it is a freight flight.. does any one know?

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Old 20th May 2009, 22:09
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Titan 146

Yea, the Titan BAe146 operates a SkyNet Royal Mail operation twice a night based from STN.

Arrives from STN about 2200, dep at 2250, back again about 0200, then out empty to STN at 0230
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Old 21st May 2009, 22:32
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Directive 2002/30/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 26 March 2002

The link below is to an European Parliament document about commuity(city centre)airports. It mentions Bhd and if I am reading it right, seems to suggest that these airports should not have a runway length of more than 2000m. I believe that the extension applied for at Bhd is for 2300m. If I am right in my reading of the doucment and that it applies to bhd, why are they applying for an extension longer than the European parliament allows?

Am I wrong or can anyone explain?

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Old 22nd May 2009, 10:41
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Could it not be argued that the extra runway length will reduce aircraft noise due reduced power settings for departure.

It really is quite funny how much fuss there is about the noise factor at the City when in real terms so few people are effected in comparison to virtually any mainland airport one cares to choose. Reading this thread through the years it is obvious that even if all the aircraft using BHD were completely silent and invisible there would still be complaints about something, some people just love a good whinge!
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Old 22nd May 2009, 10:53
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Maybe some people just like the law to be obeyed with, jusy like we all have to work within it. Like I've said on here before, if we all just start to ignore the law or rules, then it becomes a jungle and some day you might find that you are on the receiving end. For example, Fr want the runway extended. They knew the rules and the length before they decided to operate there. If it is so important, why start to operate from there in the first place?

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Old 22nd May 2009, 20:23
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I totally agree with Tower Ranger, in fact, aircraft noise could also be reduced by providing more runway length for landing traffic hence lessening the need for so much reverse thrust/pitch. I see there have been further calls for a public enquiry in to the runway extension - more drain on the public purse which will achieve nothing because there will always be somebody or some organisation that won't agree with the outcome.

The Environment Minister should make a commercial decision sooner rather than later based on the information available to him without having to resort to a public enquiry. All that will do is delay the inevitable.
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Old 22nd May 2009, 23:12
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The Environment Minister should make a commercial decision

It is not up to him to make a COMMERCIAL decision. It is up to him to make a decision based on the evidence available to him and (whether you spotters like it or not) he will HAVE to take objections and WESTMINSTER policy into account.
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Old 23rd May 2009, 05:25
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Could it not be argued that the extra runway length will reduce aircraft noise due reduced power settings for departure.

I totally agree with Tower Ranger, in fact, aircraft noise could also be reduced by providing more runway length for landing traffic hence lessening the need for so much reverse thrust/pitch.
Oh its Bill and Ben, or is it Brian and MOL speaking. The people of East/south Belfast and North Down, planners and politicians are not stupid, and will not fall for reasons like those stated. Increased weight and distance will increase noise on take-off did you no know that.
Or are you suggesting that through a public inquiry a runway extension be permitted as a noise control solution, whereby its allowed, however no increase in restrictions currently in place for the current length of the runway are lifted, and form part of an overall new planning agreement and therefore no fully loaded continental or domestic flights by FR, or similar. Now that would be an olive branch from the facility.
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Old 23rd May 2009, 05:55
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Gate 22, how predictable you are, if only my watch ticked with the monotonous regularity of your anti-BCA keyboard.
So you think with a longer runway EVERY aircraft will be heavier and go further?
Made me laugh out loud, thanks!!
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Old 23rd May 2009, 06:09
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Tower Ranger,

All these years and you have worked out that I have a slight anti-BHD side, is that what it takes to guide planes down safely. I never suggested that every aircraft would be heavier and go further, however the loud large ones that people get annoyed by will.
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Old 23rd May 2009, 22:22
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Gate 22, is it that your worried that BFS has provided an under-par service and now that BHD has the capabilities to provide a better service is a threat? BFS? Good airport, more chance of Newtownards airfield becoming the airport for northern ireland!
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Old 23rd May 2009, 23:00
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Gate 22, is it that your worried that BFS has provided an under-par service and now that BHD has the capabilities to provide a better service is a threat? BFS? Good airport, more chance of Newtownards airfield becoming the airport for northern ireland! Today 07:09
There are many reasons some that spring to mind.
1. One airport gives you total choice eg out EI to Lhr back Bd, or Stn out Ezy Back FR, or whatever combination. If continental europe starts in a big way from BHD, then it will severely split european travel to an inconvenient situation. At present you can fly into Ams and back from Paris if I wanted to a do bit of travelling around northern Europe and your car will be at the same airport when you get home. If in the future Ams operates from the city and Paris from Bfs, then I have extra cost and hassle in getting the car. We are a small region on the NE corner of an island we don't need this extra hassle
2. Architecture in Belfast, I have an interest in architecture. The redevelopment of Windsor house in Belfast could have brought a Foster's tower to Belfast at 175m tall. However a height restriction over the whole of Belfast City centre is in place at 109m due to the city airport. (the project has been put back). The skyline of Titantic Quarter is going to have to be compromised because of BCA.
3. Having frequented London I find the presence of the constant 'whine' of the Rolls Royce engines on Airbus's going over Fulham to Lhr an irritation, so I have sympathy for residents.
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BHD and LHR can hardly be compared......! Other than they are much closer to their respective cities than other airports bearing their cities' names.
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Old 24th May 2009, 14:18
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Super 737

BFS has provided an under-par service and now that BHD has the capabilities to provide a better service

What service is that?

What capabilities are those?

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Old 24th May 2009, 20:35
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BFS is an airport, sure its outdated but it provides a decent service which is set to improve after the current construction work..

awful lot of delays tonight... problem at BFS or aircraft issues? considering theres EZY, EI and TOM flights coming in hours late...
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Old 25th May 2009, 16:23
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Now theres an idea, buy Newtownards airport, build a runway in Strangford lough and hey presto Belfast has a 3rd airport .........off to start plotting
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Old 25th May 2009, 19:48
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In regard to the delays mentioned by tigger2k8, Thomson Airways have huge delay on TOM315 from Bodrum, from 01.10 today, arriving 21.35, over 20hr delay!!! The Bourgas has been dalayed as a result, departing 22.50 rather than 18.55.

Was the Dalaman operated by a sub aircraft, any information on what it was, and why the lenghty delay??
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Old 25th May 2009, 20:03
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the aircraft (a First Choice) i think was to take out the bodrum was sitting on stand 21 most of yesterday and today... some sort of problem behind engine 2 on the wing and also noticed an engineer inside the nose of the a/c.. was still sitting there at 1400 today

EZY 741 currently delayed (estimatng...) until 01:00 tonight... not sure whats going on, somewhere is messing up big time the last couple of days (EZY, EI, WW, TOM, TCX all taking significant delays)

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Old 25th May 2009, 20:57
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Thomson subbed in a couple of thier own 737s and a Titan 757 this evening to try to get back on track.
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