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Didn't check that myself when put in random dates, though from 28 Jan 10 through to the end of the winter timetable, it would seem thursday is 3 flights per day; up to the 21 Jan 10, its 2.
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ei always operated the a330 as it got cleaned in bfs. The odd time they sent up a 146 or 737 but only because flight was mega delayed in2 snn.
they also operated a dc10 in 2000 but it wasn`t owned by them, leased from delta for summer schedule
they also operated a dc10 in 2000 but it wasn`t owned by them, leased from delta for summer schedule
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ei always operated the a330 as it got cleaned in bfs.
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MD-11's & BFS-SNN-JFK
Stand16 EI never EVER operated/used/leased DC-10's. EI had an MD-11 under wet lease agreement from World Airways (reg N-272WA) from March to Oct every year from 1998 til end of Oct 2001. It operated BFS-SNN-JFK. During the two summer seasons of '96 and '97 EI wet leased an L10-11 from British Caledonian (reg G-BBAF) but it was used for DUB-SNN-EWR in an all economy configuration. There was also an L10-11 lease from ATA in the early 90's.
As for operating a BFS-SNN-JFK operation again??? I'm not so sure it would ever happen. However, it certainly would be a better option than flying through LHR or anywhere else. The US Customs and Border Protection - aka US Immigration - in SNN is a great advantage. Very small queues in comparison to the immigration queues you see in JFK. Believe me I've used both and SNN wins hands down.
EI already have some transatlantic flights flying from DUB that do not use US immigration so I don't see why they don't have a direct flight ex BFS doing the same but is there a market is the question to fill an A330?? CO have done ok filling a 757 but in the years of the A330 and MD-11 flying BFS-SNN-JFK there were usually only 20/30 pax flying all the way to JFK and approx 100-150 were flying to SNN.
As for operating a BFS-SNN-JFK operation again??? I'm not so sure it would ever happen. However, it certainly would be a better option than flying through LHR or anywhere else. The US Customs and Border Protection - aka US Immigration - in SNN is a great advantage. Very small queues in comparison to the immigration queues you see in JFK. Believe me I've used both and SNN wins hands down.
EI already have some transatlantic flights flying from DUB that do not use US immigration so I don't see why they don't have a direct flight ex BFS doing the same but is there a market is the question to fill an A330?? CO have done ok filling a 757 but in the years of the A330 and MD-11 flying BFS-SNN-JFK there were usually only 20/30 pax flying all the way to JFK and approx 100-150 were flying to SNN.
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CO have done ok filling a 757 but in the years of the A330 and MD-11 flying BFS-SNN-JFK there were usually only 20/30 pax flying all the way to JFK and approx 100-150 were flying to SNN.
There are a lot more people travelling INBOUND than there were in the late 80's 90's.
The island as a whole needs competition and Aer Lingus would seem to be ideally placed to offer it.
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there defo is the market for travel to the US, but i dont see EI taking a risk with their current financial issues... but if launched id be confident they'd do well on the route
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Would an A320 have the legs to make SNN or BFS - JFK?
On a side note to the crew of the ATP which arrived around 0130 "fair play to ya" looked pretty hairy from where I was trying to stand
On a side note to the crew of the ATP which arrived around 0130 "fair play to ya" looked pretty hairy from where I was trying to stand
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Belhold, I'm afraid an A320 with a full capacity of 174 pax wouldn't make it to USA with out refuelling in Iceland or Gander or somewhere along the route. I'm led to believe that an A321 with a smaller capacity than what Aer Lingus has now, which is 212 seats, would make it. 150 pax would work or so I'm told. someone correct me on this please.
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well an EZY flight inbound from EDI today had to abort landing 2 times, before asking for the fire service to be on stand-by due to one of the gears not going down.. landed the 3rd time without incident
also a small prop plane landed on runway 25, while an EZY 737 was landing on 07, the EZY then had to abort.. not sure who was at fault
also a small prop plane landed on runway 25, while an EZY 737 was landing on 07, the EZY then had to abort.. not sure who was at fault
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Confirmed. Aer Lingus to reduce to 2 Aircraft at BFS
A good source at EI has confirmed to me that Aer Lingus will be reducing to 2 units at BFS for Winter 09. The plan is to resume to 3 units for Summer 2010. Possible Job loss and or relocation of crew.
Just what I feared !
Just what I feared !
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yep, was confirmed last week
unless the crews at BFS accept reduced hours over winter then there will definately be redundancies / relocations, as i think theres 2 crews per a/c a day (swap over in the afternoon if i remember right..)
unless the crews at BFS accept reduced hours over winter then there will definately be redundancies / relocations, as i think theres 2 crews per a/c a day (swap over in the afternoon if i remember right..)
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Ryanair have their winter 09/10 routes from sale ex BHD.
Bristol X2 day
East Mids X2 day
Prestwick X1 day
Liverpool X2 day
Stansted X4 day
I know that FR often have sales / offers, but they mouth on about having the lowest fares ex Northern Ireland. A very quick scan seems to show however that base fares, with tax / charges included to Liverpool:
EZY £21.99, (£12.99 fare and £9.00 tax / charges)
FR £40.37, (£11.99 fare and £28.38 tax / charges).
Other UK domestic destinations follow the same pricing roughly for both carriers.
Now I don't know how many seats are available at these prices, but with FR substancially higher charges for most credit and debit cards (per passenger sector, rather than transaction), check-in and baggage, FR could be working out much more expensive.
With BHD taxes / charges over three times that of BFS apparently, surely that is putting much more pressure on yields, and with MOL not operating out of rip-off airports whats the score there?? Surely these figures have to accurately display the correct amounts passengers are paying, ie, can't show standard prices if FR are getting discounted rates. And if these are accurate prices, all the £1 or £10 flights from BHD must be loss making. Surely even extortionate baggage and payment charges would not make up for the charges still to be paid to BHD??
Bristol X2 day
East Mids X2 day
Prestwick X1 day
Liverpool X2 day
Stansted X4 day
I know that FR often have sales / offers, but they mouth on about having the lowest fares ex Northern Ireland. A very quick scan seems to show however that base fares, with tax / charges included to Liverpool:
EZY £21.99, (£12.99 fare and £9.00 tax / charges)
FR £40.37, (£11.99 fare and £28.38 tax / charges).
Other UK domestic destinations follow the same pricing roughly for both carriers.
Now I don't know how many seats are available at these prices, but with FR substancially higher charges for most credit and debit cards (per passenger sector, rather than transaction), check-in and baggage, FR could be working out much more expensive.
With BHD taxes / charges over three times that of BFS apparently, surely that is putting much more pressure on yields, and with MOL not operating out of rip-off airports whats the score there?? Surely these figures have to accurately display the correct amounts passengers are paying, ie, can't show standard prices if FR are getting discounted rates. And if these are accurate prices, all the £1 or £10 flights from BHD must be loss making. Surely even extortionate baggage and payment charges would not make up for the charges still to be paid to BHD??
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EZY £21.99, (£12.99 fare and £9.00 tax / charges)
FR £40.37, (£11.99 fare and £28.38 tax / charges).
With BHD taxes / charges over three times that of BFS apparently, surely that is putting much more pressure on yields, and with MOL not operating out of rip-off airports whats the score there?? Surely these figures have to accurately display the correct amounts passengers are paying, ie, can't show standard prices if FR are getting discounted rates. And if these are accurate prices, all the £1 or £10 flights from BHD must be loss making. Surely even extortionate baggage and payment charges would not make up for the charges still to be paid to BHD??
FR £40.37, (£11.99 fare and £28.38 tax / charges).
With BHD taxes / charges over three times that of BFS apparently, surely that is putting much more pressure on yields, and with MOL not operating out of rip-off airports whats the score there?? Surely these figures have to accurately display the correct amounts passengers are paying, ie, can't show standard prices if FR are getting discounted rates. And if these are accurate prices, all the £1 or £10 flights from BHD must be loss making. Surely even extortionate baggage and payment charges would not make up for the charges still to be paid to BHD??
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FR could be working out much more expensive
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en2r,
When Fr offer the £1 or £10 flights inc tax, they obviously still have to pay the APD for each flying passenger. But do the charges FR have to pay the airport vary on whether its a promotional fare or standard fare offered by the carrier, or do they remain at a constant £18.38. Would the contract drawn up usually allow for payment to the airport to be reduced, if the airline is offering heavily discounted fares??
With EZY, surely its inaccurate to display £9 tax / charges, if £10 of the money I pay will be going to the Government, plus whatever BFS get. With the airlines showing the amount charged as fare, fuel supplement, taxes etc, all broken down, surely these figures need to be accurate to have some level of credibility, otherwise they could just pluck figures from the sky, so long as the total remains the same.
MOL in a mass of publicity stated that FR guaranteed the lowest fares from Northern Ireland some time ago (or get some level of money back). Well without EZY or FR having a sale or promotion as such at the minute for winter flights, surely EZY are working out cheaper overall, or does MOL now want to retract that statement??
The fare you have quoted for FR is obviously not a promotional fare and thus attracts full charges.
Don't forget that the Air Passenger Duty is £10, so theres no way that the total charges from BFS could be £9!
MOL in a mass of publicity stated that FR guaranteed the lowest fares from Northern Ireland some time ago (or get some level of money back). Well without EZY or FR having a sale or promotion as such at the minute for winter flights, surely EZY are working out cheaper overall, or does MOL now want to retract that statement??
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When Fr offer the £1 or £10 flights inc tax, they obviously still have to pay the APD for each flying passenger. But do the charges FR have to pay the airport vary on whether its a promotional fare or standard fare offered by the carrier, or do they remain at a constant £18.38. Would the contract drawn up usually allow for payment to the airport to be reduced, if the airline is offering heavily discounted fares??
MOL in a mass of publicity stated that FR guaranteed the lowest fares from Northern Ireland some time ago (or get some level of money back). Well without EZY or FR having a sale or promotion as such at the minute for winter flights, surely EZY are working out cheaper overall, or does MOL now want to retract that statement??
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Careful what you say, en2r, accusing MOL of telling lies could land you in hot water!