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True but in my book 3 hrs is early for a euro flight.
On the subject of a new UK base, DTV fits perfectly, I would think desperate for traffic as it basically has none, no operators toes to tread on and a underserved North East Ryanair market.
I really hope it goes there as I seriuosly fear for the wrists of the locals if nothing happens soon.
A good deal for both I would think, cheap rates for Ryaniar, an area begging for some services and and passengers for the airport to generate some income and jobs, even if Ryanair do not pay a lot.
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On the subject of a new UK base, DTV fits perfectly, I would think desperate for traffic as it basically has none, no operators toes to tread on and a underserved North East Ryanair market.
I really hope it goes there as I seriuosly fear for the wrists of the locals if nothing happens soon.
A good deal for both I would think, cheap rates for Ryaniar, an area begging for some services and and passengers for the airport to generate some income and jobs, even if Ryanair do not pay a lot.
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I think NCL has a good chance, Ryanair already have their toe in the water with Dublin and Gerona (Shannon did well for the short period it operated). There is a proven demand with new destinations keenly sought.
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Ryanair in northeast England
Hi,
It seems odd that so far the Northeast of England has not been a very happy hunting ground for Ryanair. So far they have tried and dropped the following routes (please note the usual caveat about loads and yields):
NCL-SNN - carried 9000 passengers last winter with an average flown load factor of 59%.
NCL-TRF - carried 82,000 passengers in 2005/6/7 with an average flown load factor of 51%.
NCL-BGY - carried 173,000 passengers between 2005 and 2008 with an average flown load factor of 67%.
MME-DUB - one of Ryanair's oldest routes, operating from 1997 until it was dropped this summer. Last year the average flown load factor was 59%, which was unchanged from 2007.
MME-CIA - carried 78,000 passengers in 2005/6 with an average flown load factor of 65%.
The following routes are still running:
NCL-DUB - has been operating since 2003 and in recent years Aer Lingus have dropped the route twice.
NCL-GRO - 75% flown LF so far this year, 81% last year and 82% in 2007.
MME-GRO - seasonal, but an 81% flown LF this year, 83% last year and 79% in 2007.
MME-ALC - seasonal, but an 81% flown LF this year.
With these mixed results so far, how far up Ryanair's list of priorities is a base in the north east? To what extent will it depend on how good a deal they can strike with the airport(s)?
It seems odd that so far the Northeast of England has not been a very happy hunting ground for Ryanair. So far they have tried and dropped the following routes (please note the usual caveat about loads and yields):
NCL-SNN - carried 9000 passengers last winter with an average flown load factor of 59%.
NCL-TRF - carried 82,000 passengers in 2005/6/7 with an average flown load factor of 51%.
NCL-BGY - carried 173,000 passengers between 2005 and 2008 with an average flown load factor of 67%.
MME-DUB - one of Ryanair's oldest routes, operating from 1997 until it was dropped this summer. Last year the average flown load factor was 59%, which was unchanged from 2007.
MME-CIA - carried 78,000 passengers in 2005/6 with an average flown load factor of 65%.
The following routes are still running:
NCL-DUB - has been operating since 2003 and in recent years Aer Lingus have dropped the route twice.
NCL-GRO - 75% flown LF so far this year, 81% last year and 82% in 2007.
MME-GRO - seasonal, but an 81% flown LF this year, 83% last year and 79% in 2007.
MME-ALC - seasonal, but an 81% flown LF this year.
With these mixed results so far, how far up Ryanair's list of priorities is a base in the north east? To what extent will it depend on how good a deal they can strike with the airport(s)?
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Fiona Wilson, 35, was told she was too late to board her flight for a two-week holiday in Grenada but some of her luggage had been put on the plane. “They are not sure when we can get it back,” she said.
Is this not illegal under AAA regulations ?
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Yes that would be illegal and I would have thought he Dft would be speaking to Swissport. That said any deficiency notice is served on the carrier not the handling agent.
I hear that Servisair have been drafted in to load all the domestic Ryanair flights until further notice
Yes that would be illegal and I would have thought he Dft would be speaking to Swissport. That said any deficiency notice is served on the carrier not the handling agent.
I hear that Servisair have been drafted in to load all the domestic Ryanair flights until further notice
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Newcastle as a base, I cant see it, Copenhagen Airport own the airport at Newcastle and the manager has said in a recent interview that they would not give more favourable terms to other airlines than the existing based airline-easyjet.
Easyjet have said that NCL is one of the most profitable bases in % terms and are very happy. I simply cannot see Ryanair getting such a low cost base without Easyjet getting a massive cut in costs?
At this point in time MOL is saying that Many Spanish airports are giving zero cost to them, so bear that in mind when considering what their next move will be. I contradict myself to some extent as I suggested that
Manchester
Durham Tees Valley &
Doncaster are the most likely short list.
option 2 and 3 with train of thought seem like the most likely??
Easyjet have said that NCL is one of the most profitable bases in % terms and are very happy. I simply cannot see Ryanair getting such a low cost base without Easyjet getting a massive cut in costs?
At this point in time MOL is saying that Many Spanish airports are giving zero cost to them, so bear that in mind when considering what their next move will be. I contradict myself to some extent as I suggested that
Manchester
Durham Tees Valley &
Doncaster are the most likely short list.
option 2 and 3 with train of thought seem like the most likely??
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Go on then, I'll have a guess:
- Cardiff
- Leeds/Bradford
- Manchester
though South East England is also a good bet with:
- Oxford West (Brize Norton) or
- London Kent (Manston)
- Cardiff
- Leeds/Bradford
- Manchester
though South East England is also a good bet with:
- Oxford West (Brize Norton) or
- London Kent (Manston)
One wonders why the handling agents gave a release to the aircraft through their dispatcher when they had not completed their ground arrangements, namely taking and loading the passengers baggage. If they're not ready, don't sign the release. This is a legal document and Ryanair Ops cannot bluster you to give it to them, or if they try that's another reason for the UK CAA to have it out with them. The baggage loaded when the pax were not is a separate matter (and given the baggage delay difficulties I wonder how this was happening). Anyone who has been through a CAA inspection will know they are hot on an operator they feel does not have the resources to handle their operation effectively, and this is exactly what is happening here.
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Originally Posted by anna_list
he following routes are still running:
NCL-DUB - has been operating since 2003 and in recent years Aer Lingus have dropped the route twice
NCL-DUB - has been operating since 2003 and in recent years Aer Lingus have dropped the route twice
Ryanair have cut back on the flights to Dublin from NCL to once daily aside from Fri-Sun and the flighttimes are crap
The presence of jet2, easyjet and flybe are probably enough for NCL but I certainly don't see FR at Teesside as base. If Alicante can't last all year round what hope for any other route?
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EI haven't dropped NCL, they only operate it within the winter season, apparantly football related according to EI's own customer service
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Desperate Airports Will Offer Long-term Free Deal
Think about it...which airports are commercially embarrassed right now through lack of services or withdrawn routes? These are the kind of airports that would be willing and desperate enough to offer Ryanair a completely free deal on airport charges - and a long term one at that. I can only think of FOUR in that desperate state (that also have appropriate runway lengths)
Carlisle (South of PIK, would explain why PIK cut back so much)
Durham Tees Valley
Kent International
Coventry (this is less likely, but they must be desperate)
Carlisle (South of PIK, would explain why PIK cut back so much)
Durham Tees Valley
Kent International
Coventry (this is less likely, but they must be desperate)
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Won't be Carlisle, It has little or no approach facilities and I doubt if the runway/taxyways are even capable of taking a 737.
The reduction in Prestwick flights is simply an adjustment, some flights are now from EDI instead of PIK, but PIK is getting lots of new holiday type flights to replace them.
I think which ever airport they chose, the flights will be mainly to holiday destinations.
My bet is on a North or North East base as this is the big gap in the UK network. Leeds, Doncaster, Teesside or Newcastle.
As airports seem to be protecting existing carriers by not allowing competition on existing routes I would say MME offers the best possible route structure, and they could steal passengers away from NCL and LBA. Not to mention the fantastic deal they would get, allong with their existing working relationship with it's owners at Liverpool.
The reduction in Prestwick flights is simply an adjustment, some flights are now from EDI instead of PIK, but PIK is getting lots of new holiday type flights to replace them.
I think which ever airport they chose, the flights will be mainly to holiday destinations.
My bet is on a North or North East base as this is the big gap in the UK network. Leeds, Doncaster, Teesside or Newcastle.
As airports seem to be protecting existing carriers by not allowing competition on existing routes I would say MME offers the best possible route structure, and they could steal passengers away from NCL and LBA. Not to mention the fantastic deal they would get, allong with their existing working relationship with it's owners at Liverpool.
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Flexability in business enables you to meet new challenges.
Ryanair has shown itself over the years to be able to
change tack and still come out on top.
If you dont admire their strengths and just critisize them for
alleged PR blunders etc your missing the bigger picture.
And again all this moaning about the airline can be alleviated
by simply not flying with them - all your problems would be
over in an instant.Just think........no more time complaining
about this and that ........you could get on with 'other'
stuff.........go outside and breath in some fresh air.......
enjoy life.
MM
Flexability in business enables you to meet new challenges.
Ryanair has shown itself over the years to be able to
change tack and still come out on top.
If you dont admire their strengths and just critisize them for
alleged PR blunders etc your missing the bigger picture.
And again all this moaning about the airline can be alleviated
by simply not flying with them - all your problems would be
over in an instant.Just think........no more time complaining
about this and that ........you could get on with 'other'
stuff.........go outside and breath in some fresh air.......
enjoy life.
MM
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It will be very interesting to see how the airline shifts into newer
markets throughout Europe in the coming years - I agree.
Concentrating your efforts in other areas will bring challenges
to be overcome and as I said before - the airline has managed
(sic)to deliver results from difficult situations in the past.
apaul
I was not at Stansted when the unfortunate incident(s) happened
but hey! nobody died!!
MM
It will be very interesting to see how the airline shifts into newer
markets throughout Europe in the coming years - I agree.
Concentrating your efforts in other areas will bring challenges
to be overcome and as I said before - the airline has managed
(sic)to deliver results from difficult situations in the past.
apaul
I was not at Stansted when the unfortunate incident(s) happened
but hey! nobody died!!
MM
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The reduction in Prestwick flights is simply an adjustment, some flights are now from EDI instead of PIK, but PIK is getting lots of new holiday type flights to replace them.