Ryanair - 6

[blueplatinum]

Ryanair will use a handling agent, there will usually be some onefrom fr on station for the launch but once that's done an airports/regional manager will just keep an eye on things usually through email. It's all down to the handling agent. Hope that helps.

So I take that to mean that Iberia or Ground Force will operate solo without any local supervision ?

(Thanks for your input)

[bia botal]

the whole point of the bag check in fees is to reduce bags carried and speed up turn around times

Bollocks, its to make money, if only one bag goes in the hold at 10 euros then they just make 10 euros, if a hundred bags go in for free they made nothing.Its all about money, less bags also means less weight.

Did you see the news at Stansted this weekend? Very few people LIKE Ryanair, I use them but I think they're God awful in many respects.

And ryr don't give a ****e if you like them or not, all they care about is your money, they know that the bag levy at the gate pisses people off, they don't care, they are collecting over 1000 bags a day and charging 30 bucks a hit, its all about the money honey.

[mickyman]

bia botal

Correct !!

MM

[Skipness One Echo]

Bollocks, its to make money, if only one bag goes in the hold at 10 euros then they just make 10 euros, if a hundred bags go in for free they made nothing.Its all about money, less bags also means less weight.
And ryr don't give a ****e if you like them or not, all they care about is your money, they know that the bag levy at the gate pisses people off, they don't care, they are collecting over 1000 bags a day and charging 30 bucks a hit, its all about the money honey.

I agree. Which market is seeing poor growth? It's the UK and Ireland, the market where low fares aren't new, where the competition raised it's game, where there is no basket case nationalised carrier with government money pouring in. I suggest to you that people here are becoming wise and getting fed up of the attitiude that you display. Are you employed by Ryanair? You can't s*** on people forever and expect them to come back every time. One day they won't and you will over reach yourself. Ryanair will continue to grow for years as there are loads of European airports that need them. However as to maintaining that, one only needs to look at what happened at STN. You can only p*** off so many people mate, they won't be coming back, the one's you hacked off last year won't come back and the supply of people that haven't been dumped on is slowing. Hence your growth will slow here as people will come to HATE you.

[racedo]

I agree. Which market is seeing poor growth? It's the UK and Ireland, the market where low fares aren't new, where the competition raised it's game, where there is no basket case nationalised carrier with government money pouring in. I suggest to you that people here are becoming wise and getting fed up of the attitiude that you display. Are you employed by Ryanair? You can't s*** on people forever and expect them to come back every time. One day they won't and you will over reach yourself. Ryanair will continue to grow for years as there are loads of European airports that need them. However as to maintaining that, one only needs to look at what happened at STN. You can only p*** off so many people mate, they won't be coming back, the one's you hacked off last year won't come back and the supply of people that haven't been dumped on is slowing. Hence your growth will slow here as people will come to HATE you.

Remind me again of how may strikes and disputes BA has had since 2000 in August where thousands not 1100 people were abandoned and holidays plans screwed up.

Oh yeah but its BA not FR so thats ok then.

[Based]

The issue is that with Ryanair, they have their fan boys and detractors but only time will be the judge of ultimate success.

Ryanair has been a successful business to date and nothing can change that part of the company's history now. 'Only time will be the judge of ultimate success' is a pointless comment as time is infinite and there is no such thing as ultimate success when you operate an ongoing concern. I do accept that it's possible, as with all companies, that Ryanair may not be a success in the future, who knows!

Which market is seeing poor growth? It's the UK and Ireland, the market where low fares aren't new, where the competition raised it's game, where there is no basket case nationalised carrier with government money pouring in.

Yes these two markets are fairly saturated, growth can't continue indefinitely I'm afraid - I mean if we were seeing clear trends of increases in other airlines passenger numbers then you mightn't look quite as ignorant, but we aren't. I'm not sure what poor competition you refer to in the first place. State aid is illegal under EU rules so there shouldn't be money 'pouring in' anywhere.

Hence your growth will slow here as people will come to HATE you.

Quite a bitter comment, I find it crazy to see someone who seems to have such distain for a company continue to use them!

[Skipness One Echo]

State aid is illegal under EU rules so there shouldn't be money 'pouring in' anywhere.

Consider the case of
Olympic.
Alitalia.
Aid need not be direct aid. Only Britain scrupulously obeys all the rules of European Law passed by an institution that hasn't had the books signed off in years due to endemic corruption.

Stop calling me ignorant please, I can disagree without name calling.

Remind me again of how may strikes and disputes BA has had since 2000 in August where thousands not 1100 people were abandoned and holidays plans screwed up.
Oh yeah but its BA not FR so thats ok then.

Good point and a fair analogy, I hope WW hammers BASSA into accepting market rates and the dinosaurs are paid off. It's easier to run a 21st century airline without the contracts of the 1970s. Two wrongs do not a right make!

[racedo]

Good point and a fair analogy, I hope WW hammers BASSA into accepting market rates and the dinosaurs are paid off. It's easier to run a 21st century airline without the contracts of the 1970s. Two wrongs do not a right make!

I agree and you def not ignorant, an idiot some times but then again who is not .

Were Ryanair a British airline and MOL a member of the establishment, he would be viewed as a great British success story. An element of the media hate, even from those who have never used him, comes from his unwillingness to become part of the establishment unlike Sir Stelios. The Media hate people who don't do defference to their supposed power as in the we make you, we can break you syndrome. MOL I think is well aware of this and uses it to his advantage all the time and wants to be seen as anti establishment, the only Palace I reckon MOL will ever visit would be Crystal Palace.

[racedo]

Aid need not be direct aid. Only Britain scrupulously obeys all the rules of European Law passed by an institution that hasn't had the books signed off in years due to endemic corruption.

AF and their big cheque every year to provide X number of seats for the french military in the event they may be called upon. €1000 a seat was the figure I used to hear, never proven of course but you have to admire how the french work in their own inimitable way.

[Based]

Consider the case of
Olympic.
Alitalia.
Aid need not be direct aid.

Considered, however as I say state aid is illegal. My main difficulty here is how these examples are supposed to be a positive external factor for Ryanair, as you seem to have suggested in a previous post. Surely operating in a market where there actually is a 'basket case nationalised carrier with government money pouring in', is more difficult given the unfair competition.

Stop calling me ignorant please, I can disagree without name calling.

Apologies if I've offended you, I wasn't name calling. Of course you're entitled to disagree. Correct me if I'm wrong though but you seem to be suggesting that one of the reasons that Ryanair is experiencing poor growth in the Irish and UK markets at the moment is because that competition has raised it's game. I believe that this displays a level of ignorance - as in being unaware or uninformed - as there is no clear increase in other airline's passenger numbers which would need to be the case if this claim was true. Instead this suggests simply that fewer people are flying, regardless of airline.

On a more relevant note, a new Weeze - Gdansk route was announced yesterday, commencing October 4th.

[mickyman]

Skipness - HATE!!!!

Such vitriol - go and have a cold shower man!

ASFKAP

Are you the little puppy of the double-act?

Both your views have been argued with for quite a while
on here and you both still have issues with the airline.
I have tried to argue using some kind of balance as my
meter and you two make blanket statements most of the
time that are not bournout by facts.Your interpretation
is always a negative one and as such is not a fair reflection
of the facts.The facts speak for themselves but you two
continue this campaign of abuse.

You now show yourselves to be little-englanders when
discussing this airline which is possible the most pan-european
on the continent.Why do you think that England is the most
important country to any airline - is it because you just so happen
to reside in it!
Ryanair is a great success story from the early days of BAC1-11's
upto now with their hundreds of airframes - It should be celebrated -
allowing people to travel far and wide.
It would be hard for any airline to grow so much in a relatively short time without stepping on some toes - but that doesnt mean we should
be ready with the dagger in hand everytime.

Based - a good post.

MM

[mickyman]

ASFKAP

Why have you posted a link from an American site
relating to 'Risks' of fuel hedging from the years 2005/6?
Are you really having to research that far back for your
dubious opinions?

It seems you are getting more and more desperate.....
you poor thing.

Listen....when the sh1t hits the fan its only an airline that no-one
is forcing you to fly on.......so chill.

I dont usually forget my E's !!

MM

[Hawk]

We are getting sick of the constant sniping. A few of you have had your posts edited and there has been one ban. Either discuss the topic in a mature and professional manner or take yourselves away from the thread for a while.

Thank you
(AA&R Mods)

[bia botal]

You can't s*** on people forever and expect them to come back every time.

Its not called sh%*ing on them it's called training them. At the moment ryr want rid of hold baggage as a means to reduce weight and to be able to bargain with airports on fees. Of course there are flights where people will always want to have extra bag's, ie, weeks in the sun and for some strange reasons the polish and Lithuania's have a strange desire to travel with all they own. ryr know this and of course gladly take the money.

One day they won't and you will over reach yourself

Only problem with that dear boy is that by the time that day comes(if it comes at all, considering that in the future there will be a new ceo and a different approach to consumer relations)ryr will be the dominate player with very few competitors.

Ryanair will continue to grow for years as there are loads of European airports that need them

Correct! and as you stated yourself,

Which market is seeing poor growth? It's the UK and Ireland

And yet we still managed a first 1/4 profit, whilst the BA lost 100million in the 2 most profitable months of the year, the very airline that people like yourself predicted the traveling public would go in there masses to get REAL value for money, My arse they did, they stayed where they KNOW they get value for money.

Ryanair will continue to grow for years as there are loads of European airports that need them. However as to maintaining that, one only needs to look at what happened at STN

What? What happened in STN. That the UK economie collapsed because of the recession. Oh and the fact that they bet the kitchen sink on a unnecessary war. All of which lead to mass unemployment thus less people traveling. The recession will end, and people will again feel the urge to visit there overpaid undervalued house by the golf course in the desert somewhere in Spain. And then stn will revert back to it's usually conveyor of ryr aircraft movements.

You can only p*** off so many people mate, they won't be coming back

Wrong they keep coming back.

I use them but I think they're God awful in many respects.

And as already mentioned ryr don't care.

Remind me again of how may strikes and disputes BA has had since 2000 in August where thousands not 1100 people were abandoned and holidays plans screwed up.

SAY NO MORE!!!!!

[mickyman]

ASFKAP

So this document is unique to Ryanair ?
No other airlines write such documents
to enable them to solve future problems?

If Ryanair hits turbulence in the future
we will see what happens.

The world was a different place way back in
2005/6 but to make use of such a document
to back up your critical view of Ryanair is
stretching credibility somewhat.There was no
recession in 2006 - fuel hedging has always
gone on and always will.

Ryanair carried 60m last year - recorded a
healthy profit last quater - stop flapping.

MM

[Skipness One Echo]

What? What happened in STN. That the UK economie collapsed because of the recession. Oh and the fact that they bet the kitchen sink on a unnecessary war. All of which lead to mass unemployment thus less people traveling. The recession will end, and people will again feel the urge to visit there overpaid undervalued house by the golf course in the desert somewhere in Spain. And then stn will revert back to it's usually conveyor of ryr aircraft movements.

They bet nothing on the war(s) as they did it non the cheap and cost nought. It is only now they are having tp pay. You need to be careful as you have just quoted the official Ryanair mission statement about fleecing the drones and them being stupid enpugh to come back for more on a public forum. Won't Ducksy be cross? No he'll be pleased.... As MickeyMan said the world 2005 / 6 was a different place. By 2014, the way things are going we will have people paying to be slapped repeatedly across the gob just for the privilege of travellling with a cheap airline whilst someone from handling boots their luggage into the hold a la Jonny Wilkinson. Someone is going to write a thesis on Ryanair and public behaviour. Is there any point when people say

"Actually, enough's enough." If bia botal is right, and I concede he might very well be, people are morons and we ( me included ) are behaving like a bunch of meth heads who can't stop. "BLIMEY! Europe for free on Wednesday in Feb.Where's my credit card? You kow the one with any credit left...."

I need help I do....

[Based]

The Form 20F document you are referring to is submitted by Ryanair to the SEC every year, as required by all 'foreign private issuers' that have shares listed on US stock exchanges. The submission for the year ending March 31st 2009 is on their website along with all previous years.

If growth in passenger traffic and Ryanair’s revenues do not keep pace with the planned expansion of its fleet, Ryanair could suffer from overcapacity and its results of operations and financial condition (including
its ability to fund scheduled aircraft purchases and related debt) could be materially adversely affected. Ryanair has also entered into significant derivative transactions intended to hedge its current aircraft acquisition-related debt obligations. These derivative transactions expose Ryanair to certain risks that could have an adverse effect on its results of operations and financial condition.

The difference between this paragraph and post 4932 stating 'Ryanair's current difficulties are a direct result of over expansion in the face of a global recession plain and simple. Blaming it on other factors like airport handling charges and passenger taxes is completely false' is that one is a statement of fact of some of the risks that may impact on Ryanair's future performance, the other is a personal opinion with no supporting evidence provided to back this up. Nothing much in common at all really.

The Airline Industry Is Particularly Sensitive to Changes in Economic Conditions; A Continued Recessionary Environment Would Negatively Impact Ryanair’s Result of Operations.

Of course it would, it doesn't take a genius to work that out. Firstly, a continued recessionary environment will negatively impact on a significant proportion of companies in almost every industry. Secondly, it might seem fairly obvious to some people but 'negatively impacting' does not equate to (although it can of course) a company failing or even sliding into a period of sustained losses. A company making an annual profit of, for example, €900m before the recession but only making a profit of €200m now has suffered from a major negative impact on results but is still a viable going concern.

From the wording its clear that they're not even sure themselves of the effect of the new passenger tax yet they use it as an excuse for their recent retreat from the over saturated UK market, when I suggested this I was vilified by the cheerleaders.....

From your wording, I think it might be you that's unsure of what's being stated in the paragraph you're referring to. Despite what might be your own preferences, it is not legally possible for Ryanair to make statements in Form 20F (or any other legal document of course) that cannot be supported with some sort of fact. They say that they believe that the introduction of these taxes 'has a negative impact on passenger volumes' - without initiating research to prove this, this is as much as they can say in this document.

[mickyman]

Based

Another excellent post if I may say.

ASFKAP & Skipness

I feel totally vindicated in challenging your views
on this airline and am glad to say more and more
posts are challenging you too.

MM

[Seat62K]

So, Skipness, as a frequent traveller on Ryanair you think I'm "slapped repeatedly across the gob".

Not the way I see it. Ryanair provides me with comfortable, modern aircraft, punctual schedules, good service and, above all, unbeatable value.

And no, I'm not a naive traveller who hasn't experienced anything else and therefore has no point of comparison. I have been flying as a passenger with commercial airlines for more than forty years and have plenty to compare Ryanair with.

Okay, I have yet to have anything go wrong. But let's say I had to find a hotel away from home at some point. Perusing just my forward bookings with Ryanair and not even considering the completed trips, I'd say I've saved between £500 and perhaps as much as £1000 compared with what I'd have paid on legacy carriers for the same journeys. Having paid for my hotel I'd still be quids in. And anyway, how often is it that Ryanair lets its passengers down in this way? Around 100 sectors to date and it hasn't happened to me. The laws of probability dictate that it can't simply be my good luck.

Ryanair does care about its public image. Only last week I heard someone from the airline on Radio 4's "You And Yours", taking flak on the Stansted check-in/bag drop fiasco and doing a good PR job. There was absolutely none of the "they pay peanuts so why are they complaining?" that some people associate with the airline. If Ryanair believed that bad publicity is good publicity it would not have made someone available for interview.

Having said that, Ryanair can, in my opinion, be its own worst enemy. All the talk about paying to use the toilet and travelling standing only confirms the bad image that some have of the company. Ryanair needs to attract these people - yet at times it seems to be giving them more of a reason never to fly with them. If I hadn't "taken the plunge", as it were, some three years ago I, too, would be set against flying Ryanair, given the negative coverage in the media.

[FutureCC]

I think that a few people are here wrong about the image of Ryanair, and that nobody comes back after they have flown there first flights.

Continued growth on passenger numbers, never a fall - not now, not last year, never. Certainly says that quite a high percentage must be coming back! Otherwise Ryanair would of ran out of European's a long time ago!

I like, the good service, modern aircraft, friendly crew, comfortable seat, and of course the unbeatable price.

I have flown on other legacy and flag carriers, and honestly - Ryanair can't be faulted, and a lot of people here know that...

Ryanair does care about it's image, as if it didn't they would not be here now.

Well, the "risks" are in my opinion not valid in Ryanair - every single airport they go to, soaring growth in passengers, revenue, and in local and national economies.

Ryanair can keep expanding, and there are more and more airports out there which are awaiting the arrival of Ryanair. The model works, has worked since the start, works now, and will work forever.

At the end of the day, if you are going to fly - you want the best value and comfort. And Ryanair has got the balance perfect.

The other airlines will go before Ryanair does, even if there image is so called "exceptional service". Well, BA... nothing but falling passenger numbers...

The (so called) World's Favourite Airline - explain the falling passenger numbers.

There is no failures in the Ryanair network.