Ryanair - 6

[eu01]

Earlier in this thread I wrote about the new low-cost airport to be built near Budapest (Szekesfehervar). There are more capital cities in CE Europe to compete for the low-cost flights. While the opening date of Modlin airport near Warsaw has slipped several times and the future of the object is still uncertain, an existing Vodochody airport, belonging to a small aircraft factory near Prague, wants to become a budget flyers' paradise by 2011.

The management of a small airport in Vodochody outside Prague is in talks with several budget airlines it would like to lure from Prague Airport in the future. Aktuálně.cz has found out these include Ryanair, EasyJet and Wizz Air. "I can confirm that we have talked to the representatives of these companies. The airport is not yet ready for regular flights and hence no contracts have been signed for now," said Martin Kačur, the airport's director.

In a privatisation two years ago, Czech-Slovak investment group Penta bought small aircraft manufacturer Aero Vodochody, including its testing runway. Penta is now expanding the facility into an international airport for low-cost, charter and private flights.

Industry insiders say that Vodochody has a realistic chance to attract budget carriers currently serving Prague Airport because it could offer them much lower landing and airport fees.

"By the end of the year, at the latest, we want to submit an EIA study on the project's environmental impact," said Kačur. He added the airport should be ready to receive its first regular flights in 2011.

From: aktualne.cz

Let's see some details (at present) RWY 10/28 tora=2500m, toda=2560m, lda=2500m, asda=2500m. Not bad.

[airbourne]

What is the world availabliity on the 747-400? What is the max seating you can have?

Sorry ive no idea how to post a pic, so heres the link:

Ryanair using 747's recent advertisement seen in the Canaries. - boards.ie

[eu01]

You mean this one?

[ICING AOA]

Corsica

I heard Ryanair is to Open 3 new routes out of bastia (corsica). Beauvais- Bastia; Grenoble-Bastia; Marseille-Bastia. Is it becuase easyJet has just announced Lyon-Bastia and CDG- Bastia?

[Charlie Roy]

Bastia

Routes from Bastia to Marseille, Grenoble and Beauvais would mean a Marseille based aircraft.

Possibly something like:
MTWTF-S MRS - BIA - BVA - BIA - MRS
-----S- MRS - BIA - GNB - BIA - MRS

[GnRdL]

Where did you read/hear these about Corsica-Bastia?

[FR-]

Seems odd that Ryanair will do a 'W', just doesn't fit into ryanair operations. Maybe a hint of a new base at BVA.

[MrHorgy]

We do W's already from STN, STN-TMP-RIX-TMP-STN.

Bastia is Corsica isn't it? THought that was one of our new bases?

Horgy

[frfly]

all routes from bva that arent from bases are w's, treviso etc

[Ametyst2]

Ryanair used to operate Liverpool - Torp - Newcastle - Torp - Liverpool

[BALLSOUT]

Daily service, PIK-BVA-OPO-BVA-PIK then PIK-BVA-TSF-BVA-PIK.
No Doubt there are plenty more like these.
There will probably be a BVA base next year, after the cat 3 ILS has been installed.

[anna_list]

Ryanair 'W' routes

Hi,

Just in case anyone is interested, here's a list of the current 'W' routes. Corrections and additions welcome:

RIX - TMP (operated by a STN aircraft)
BVA - TSF (operated by a PIK aircraft)
BVA - OPO (operated by a PIK aircraft)
TSF - MLA (operated by a HHN aircraft)
BRI - MLA (operated by a HHN aircraft)
GSE - KLU (operated by a STN aircraft)

And some old ones:
BHX - MJV (back in 2003/4 flown by a DUB aircraft)
EMA - MJV (back in 2004/5 flown by a DUB aircraft)
LBC - PSA (before PSA became a base, flown by variously by STN and HHN aircraft)
LGW - NOC (flown by DUB and STN aircraft)
NCL - TRF (flown by LPL and HHN aircraft)
BOH - PIK (flown by a HHN aircraft when the route first opened in 2003)
BOH - GRO (flown by a DUB aircraft before GRO became a base in 2004)
BOH - NTE (operated by a MAD aircraft last year)
GSE - SZG (operated by a STN aircraft)

[eu01]

Very few routes indeed. I don't really know why FR does not seem to like W-patterns, preferring to have small bases all around (in some cases too much of them, I'd say) and flying two-ways only. While the W-patterns are not bad at all, even better could be a "delta"/triangle flight pattern. Why delta? The aircraft from the base A (anything) goes to non-base destination X (like BVA) and then to Y (like Venice) and thereafter returns directly to the base. Flying these triangle patterns does create much more variations. For example A-X-Y-A in the morning and A-Y-X-A in the evening on even weekdays and in reverse mode (A-Y-X-A mornings, A-X-Y-A evenings) on odd weekdays. Try to analyze a bit, this theoretical model gives numerous day-trip possibilities where W-patterns or simple return flights do not have this flexibility.

[Charlie Roy]

Triangles take less time too.

Example Charleroi based aircraft (W)
Charleroi - Valencia
Valencia - Basel
Basel - Valencia
Valencia - Charleroi
For the crew this would be a very long shift.

Example Charleroi based aircraft (2 triangles)
Charleroi - Valencia
Valencia - Basel
Basel - Charleroi

Charleroi - Basel
Basel - Valencia
Valencia - Charleroi
This would be a lot more schedulable regarding crew shifts and aircraft usage, and that is often the case with triangles as opposed to W's.

I suppose Ryanair are fully aware of this possiblity, but have expressly chosen to keep it simple. Drawing up schedules for each base / route twice a year is no easy task. Although I'd love to have a go off it

[dublin_eire]

MOL continues to consider solely low costs and low prices as the single possible marketing tool (flavouring them with some wrangles and theatrical gestures of his own), as if nothing but these cheap fares were a viable measure of success. It's a good tool, but it cannot remain the only method to build upon all the future development of any enterprise. The guy is in some way "locked" into such style of thinking and I feel sorry for him, it just looks like he simply could not get over it. I can see no reason for him to remain so puristic in using this one weapon only, neglecting everything else. Want to keep prices low? Do it across your website, but use other sales channels as well. Start getting more pax from the legacy airlines, from amongst people who do not necessary search just for the cheapest fares. Sell them much higher priced flights via Amadeus or anything else. There are thousands of potential customers that could use some routes if they knew about their very existence and found them useful but do not have time to visit ryanair.com. Improve your general image and brand, be more friendly, it pays. Reorganize your schedules a bit and introduce some (why not pricey) connecting flights, sell other products - like more expensive but flexible group tickets. Facilitate the day trips by improving same day returns, do something different to this old one-sided policy. Think broader, use the potential you already have, ugh!

Total jibberish if you ask me..... MOL keeps fares as low as possible and keeps that impression in our minds. It's a great formula. Look on the highstreet; the same formula works. Pennys/Primark vs Marks & Sparks.... Who does larger business? The 'no frills' option of course. But there will always be the small few who want the service you speak of and that comes at a price. The reason Ryanair are not accepting outside website sales is that its own website contains links that generate significant income. Your plans sounds like it would make HR's hair fall out in a day with staffing costs in implementing it all. I think the service is fine as is. Leave well alone and admire the machine!

[eu01]

I think the service is fine as is. Leave well alone and admire the machine!

I'm pretty sure the service will stay as it is. No signs of change anyway. Things to admire? Truly low costs, the effectiveness and a decent reliability, yes. But the expansion based on this too-simple model has its limitations. I am just saying some symptoms of these limits are already visible, that's why I see also the need for changes. Admire the machine? To some extent, I still admire. I just hope we both can admire it showing as much optimism as you are showing today... two or three years from now.

[Skipness One Echo]

So was the announcement of transatlantic services today just pie in the sky???

Porky pies.....

[F-GSEX]

It is impossible for Ryanair to open MRS-BIA as all routes between MRS and Corsica are under PSO regulation.
But... if Ryanair want to operate to Corsica from BVA or GNB, no problem... except for the capacity that has to be found somewhere else...

This scenario is possible with a MRS based aircraft :
MRS-BVA-BIA-BVA-MRS

If they want to operate a GNB-Corsica flight they will have to get the capacity from STN or DUB (STN/DUB-GNB-BIA-GNB-STN/DUB).
Or....... they have to open a base in GNB.

[FR-]

Alot of crew are talking about, DUB have put in an order for 50 777s

[StbdD]

The Boeing Company

There are rumours, and then there are .....