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I probably will bet this will have to change - mainly due to EU regulations.
Firstly, €/£10 added to the fare - which can't be changed as it is needed must be included in the fare price; you see first.
Secondly, it is going to make the tickets more expensive; and for "75% of passengers" - adding €/£10 is going to make the fares less attractive.
Thirdly, the charge will be waived for on-line/0 bags customers. This allows them to continue advertising £5 seats etc and for customers to be encouraged take no carry on bags.
Concluding, I would be very surprised to see the new charge brought in. I suspect that it was another.... PR stunt.
Just what I am thinking, adding €10 onto the ticket per person is not going to sell them any more tickets.
Nikolai.
Firstly, €/£10 added to the fare - which can't be changed as it is needed must be included in the fare price; you see first.
Secondly, it is going to make the tickets more expensive; and for "75% of passengers" - adding €/£10 is going to make the fares less attractive.
Thirdly, the charge will be waived for on-line/0 bags customers. This allows them to continue advertising £5 seats etc and for customers to be encouraged take no carry on bags.
Concluding, I would be very surprised to see the new charge brought in. I suspect that it was another.... PR stunt.
Just what I am thinking, adding €10 onto the ticket per person is not going to sell them any more tickets.
Nikolai.
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There's nothing in the press release to indicate that the fee will be waived for "no bags" passengers (calling them "online check in/no bags" pax is somewhat redundant as all pax will check in online).
What I fail to understand is the logic of a change which - if the press release is to be believed and will not lead to an increase in fares - only moves £5/5 euro per sector from the "base fare" to an "add on", especially as it could no doubt antagonise existing/potential passengers. Furthermore, since when was check in an avoidable option?
We'll just have to wait and see if these savings are passed on in the form of "even lower air fares next winter".
[P.S. Has anyone noticed, for example, that driving licences will no longer be accepted for UK domestic flights? My understanding is that this form of ID is currently acceptable for passengers who check in at the airport.]
What I fail to understand is the logic of a change which - if the press release is to be believed and will not lead to an increase in fares - only moves £5/5 euro per sector from the "base fare" to an "add on", especially as it could no doubt antagonise existing/potential passengers. Furthermore, since when was check in an avoidable option?
We'll just have to wait and see if these savings are passed on in the form of "even lower air fares next winter".
[P.S. Has anyone noticed, for example, that driving licences will no longer be accepted for UK domestic flights? My understanding is that this form of ID is currently acceptable for passengers who check in at the airport.]
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Well after the £1 toilet fee saga, the £5 check-in fee will make a field day for some news agencies.
They can NOT charge this without making there fares advertised including this.
1 MILLION SEATS AT £5!!!
1 MILLION SEATS AT £5 PLUS £5 CHECK-IN FEE.
Which one sounds better? Check-in WILL be free for those with hand luggage; just wait and see.
It is the stupidest thing I've ever heard - and I hear a lot of stupid things. To charge £5 for check-in.
To be honest as well, that press release is slightly ambigous, and I am confident it was another PR stunt.
Nikolai.
They can NOT charge this without making there fares advertised including this.
1 MILLION SEATS AT £5!!!
1 MILLION SEATS AT £5 PLUS £5 CHECK-IN FEE.
Which one sounds better? Check-in WILL be free for those with hand luggage; just wait and see.
It is the stupidest thing I've ever heard - and I hear a lot of stupid things. To charge £5 for check-in.
To be honest as well, that press release is slightly ambigous, and I am confident it was another PR stunt.
Nikolai.
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I suspect "FARES FOR £5" will continue to be just that, and any "no tax" or "special offer" fare will have free online checkin. But a standard £0.00 + tax (£28.27 at Stansted) fares will command a £5 fee for checking in. Most of my fares are promos so this won't affect me too much, but certainly where it's a choice between a standard FR fare and an EZY / anyone else fare, the gap will narrow.
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I don't think FR are going to let EZY suddenly come with even lower fares and seriously affect their business. EZY eventually will have to put up fares to cope with the higher airport landing costs, plus the fuel bill.
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if you WANT to travel cheap you can.
If you WANT the extras you can pay.
either way - option 1 - (no extra's) you can fly for next to nothing
option 2 - all extras added - still cheaper than the competition, cheaper than it was 15 years ago and probably better reliability and punctuality than the competition.
If you WANT the extras you can pay.
either way - option 1 - (no extra's) you can fly for next to nothing
option 2 - all extras added - still cheaper than the competition, cheaper than it was 15 years ago and probably better reliability and punctuality than the competition.
all extras added - still cheaper than the competition
If when measuring the competition, one requires the competing airline to fly the same airport pair at within a 2 hour window, this leads to a very narrow set of competitor flights. I suspect that many people regard the competition as being rather broader than this.
As an example - suppose FR fly from STN to GRO at 6:30 am. By the FR definition, a flight from LTN to BCN on Easyjet at 7 am is not a competitor flight.
By changing the definition of 'competitor flight' enough times, one can always claim to be the cheapest. However, a very specific legal definition is not a good proxy for what customers define as a competitor flight.
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With reference to davidjohnson's above example, I seem to recall Ryanair some years ago fighting tooth and nail to have various additional "out of town" airports classed as being within the same city zone/generic city code. Hence HHN now considered a Frankfurt airport, CRL now considered a Brussels airport etc etc.
Back to the above GRO vs BCN example, then, funny how Ryanair can selectively ignore their own argument when it suits them in comparing their flights with "competitor" flights between airports within the same "city pair".
That smacks to me rather of having cake and eating it...
Back to the above GRO vs BCN example, then, funny how Ryanair can selectively ignore their own argument when it suits them in comparing their flights with "competitor" flights between airports within the same "city pair".
That smacks to me rather of having cake and eating it...
With reference to davidjohnson's above example, I seem to recall Ryanair some years ago fighting tooth and nail to have various additional "out of town" airports classed as being within the same city zone/generic city code.
LH complained and it went to court and LH lost.
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I will say, that Easyjet fares are seeming very attractive. I have a course in Barcelona for 5 days - Ryanair was £50, Easyjet £70 including a bag. I need a bag with Ryanair, so add £28.50, now £9.50 for MasterCard payment. Total £88. Now add another £10 just to check-in!
I think that RYR need to evaluate whether all these charges are good or bad for business.
I still do love RYR!
Nikolai.
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£18 more - I did go for FR as I need to be their on-time.
I think that RYR need to evaluate whether all these charges are good or bad for business.
I still do love RYR!
Nikolai.
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£18 more - I did go for FR as I need to be their on-time.
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To return to whether Ryanair is cheaper than its competitors, I am astonished at how costly some Ryanair flights can be. I'll give the same example as in a previous post of mine: when Ryanair released its summer, 2009 seats, for the dates I was looking at it was more expensive to fly Stansted-Alicante-Stansted on Ryanair than Gatwick-Alicante-Gatwick with BA and in Club Europe! Now, the BA fare didn't last and I assume that Ryanair's fares for these dates will have come down (I haven't returned to look) but the point remains.
The spread of fares which Ryanair charges for the same route can be truly remarkable. The knack is knowing how to play the system to your advantage and, I'll admit, I don't always get it right! It helps, of course, not to have to fly and to be flexible in relation to dates.
The spread of fares which Ryanair charges for the same route can be truly remarkable. The knack is knowing how to play the system to your advantage and, I'll admit, I don't always get it right! It helps, of course, not to have to fly and to be flexible in relation to dates.
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Ryanair have better timed flights for people traveling with young kids
from for eg PMI, I know people who would pay double the EZY price
for better timed flights.
Also I find Ryanair to be VERY good when it comes to on time flights.
I have just booked flights for two to PMI from STN in mid May for a total of £12 rtn thats £6 each and yes just £3 each way the flight departs at 1150 and landing back at STN at 1725, VERY good if you have kids.
Everyone on this site knows I live and breath Ryanair but that is for
one reason and one reason only... they are the BEST when it comes to
. Low fares
. On time flights
. Best timed flights
I have used Ryanair for many years traveling more than 70 rtn flights
I have only EVER had one problem, A delay of 3 hrs due to a tech
A/C, we had to wait for an A/C to be flown in to take us home.
So again Ryanair good work keep it up
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from for eg PMI, I know people who would pay double the EZY price
for better timed flights.
Also I find Ryanair to be VERY good when it comes to on time flights.
I have just booked flights for two to PMI from STN in mid May for a total of £12 rtn thats £6 each and yes just £3 each way the flight departs at 1150 and landing back at STN at 1725, VERY good if you have kids.
Everyone on this site knows I live and breath Ryanair but that is for
one reason and one reason only... they are the BEST when it comes to
. Low fares
. On time flights
. Best timed flights
I have used Ryanair for many years traveling more than 70 rtn flights
I have only EVER had one problem, A delay of 3 hrs due to a tech
A/C, we had to wait for an A/C to be flown in to take us home.
So again Ryanair good work keep it up
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I thought £18 was worth it, plus I prefer RYR to EZY.
Some EZY flights are cheaper, but the vast majority aren't. But as I said FR adding £10 may close the gap...
I also live and breath RYR! I wish they flew to Moscow!!!
Nikolai.
Some EZY flights are cheaper, but the vast majority aren't. But as I said FR adding £10 may close the gap...
I also live and breath RYR! I wish they flew to Moscow!!!
Nikolai.
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I play by the rules, NO extras at all, Ryanairs hand baggage is
just right for me, no need for checked in baggage, well not for a week
on the beach anyway.
I did not intend to take a holiday in May as I have booked Las vegas in
Sep but the price was to tempting for me... roll on May
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just right for me, no need for checked in baggage, well not for a week
on the beach anyway.
I did not intend to take a holiday in May as I have booked Las vegas in
Sep but the price was to tempting for me... roll on May
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Ryanairs hand baggage is
just right for me, no need for checked in baggage, well not for a week
on the beach anyway.
just right for me, no need for checked in baggage, well not for a week
on the beach anyway.