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No I don't see Baby or easyJet moving from EMA. I know easyJet are doing very well with its routes from EMA, well maybe not so well on EMA-CIA anymore. Yes Baby will prob lose the Belfast, but im sure it will find a new new, or increase others, like Faro.
As for people checking out of hotels at 3am in the morning, well alot of tour ops do that, I finished last night at about midnight and the departures still had two flightsto go out, people dont mind these days if its cheap (one holiday a year or a few cheap ones where you have to be up early)... and its not just holiday makers as I keep saying, its spanish people visiting family here, my lovely second home owners, who want/need a cheap seat to spend more time in Alicante. The same was said about MAD when it started.
And as for Ryanair new routes in the spring/summer I would expect PMI and AGP, was any of you expecting TFS? EMA for Ryanair is now a major base for the future, it has a good management at EMA, good Staff. The new routes that were released the other week are selling like hot cakes.
I would like to see new routes to the new wave of EU countries, but I don't know who will be the first to start them (has to only be a matter of time), maybe is a perfect chance for the likes of Baby/Wizz to get a head start on Ryanair. Oh and more German routes, my Berlin flight last night was full, all 189
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As for people checking out of hotels at 3am in the morning, well alot of tour ops do that, I finished last night at about midnight and the departures still had two flightsto go out, people dont mind these days if its cheap (one holiday a year or a few cheap ones where you have to be up early)... and its not just holiday makers as I keep saying, its spanish people visiting family here, my lovely second home owners, who want/need a cheap seat to spend more time in Alicante. The same was said about MAD when it started.
And as for Ryanair new routes in the spring/summer I would expect PMI and AGP, was any of you expecting TFS? EMA for Ryanair is now a major base for the future, it has a good management at EMA, good Staff. The new routes that were released the other week are selling like hot cakes.
I would like to see new routes to the new wave of EU countries, but I don't know who will be the first to start them (has to only be a matter of time), maybe is a perfect chance for the likes of Baby/Wizz to get a head start on Ryanair. Oh and more German routes, my Berlin flight last night was full, all 189
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Baby/Easy/ALC
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I can't see Baby & Easy both having a future at EMA unless there is total intransigence by BHX management towards attracting more LOCO's.
There is already enough evidence to suggest BHX has woken up (there is little they could have done more re EI in my opinion) and once a major
LOCO is in place (Orange?) or Baby expand massively (no sign yet) the
squeeze will be on EMA eventually.
Ryanair will be fine at EMA and I am sure will grow and grow with summer covering some of those dreadful winter load factors on some routes. BTW this winters FR schedule is 10 times better last winters.
Sterling have stolen a march on FR re Scandinavia but eventually they will be seen off. Baby and more so Easy have had plenty off chances to expand at EMA and they have not for differing reasons I would guess.
Will that change, possibly but unlikely?
Easy will need to decide soon whether to take on Ryanair or move down the M42. As you say Malaga is probably not far round the corner for FR and that would make three operators on the route like Alicante which surely can't be viable in winter.
As for 3am from the hotel, it is a bit different than having a coach waiting to take you to the airport rather than dealing with a hire car or local taxi.
I always try to use local transport when on holiday but at 3 in the morning? Still it is Ryanair and I am sure it will be fine.
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I can't see Baby & Easy both having a future at EMA unless there is total intransigence by BHX management towards attracting more LOCO's.
There is already enough evidence to suggest BHX has woken up (there is little they could have done more re EI in my opinion) and once a major
LOCO is in place (Orange?) or Baby expand massively (no sign yet) the
squeeze will be on EMA eventually.
Ryanair will be fine at EMA and I am sure will grow and grow with summer covering some of those dreadful winter load factors on some routes. BTW this winters FR schedule is 10 times better last winters.
Sterling have stolen a march on FR re Scandinavia but eventually they will be seen off. Baby and more so Easy have had plenty off chances to expand at EMA and they have not for differing reasons I would guess.
Will that change, possibly but unlikely?
Easy will need to decide soon whether to take on Ryanair or move down the M42. As you say Malaga is probably not far round the corner for FR and that would make three operators on the route like Alicante which surely can't be viable in winter.
As for 3am from the hotel, it is a bit different than having a coach waiting to take you to the airport rather than dealing with a hire car or local taxi.
I always try to use local transport when on holiday but at 3 in the morning? Still it is Ryanair and I am sure it will be fine.
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I would say that EZY will leave EMA in the near future. BHX needs the likes of EZY or FR and with PAX figures not rising as they would hope I would say a deal will be on the table soon if not already. EZY are about to start using BHX to GVA. EZY would be mad not to set up a base in BHX. So the question is will they operate from both EMA and BHX. I would say no, why fight FR there when BHX is just down the road. So WW have lost Belfast. A lot of business passengers use EMA, and they may not appreciate the FR service so I would say don't count your chickens before they hatch. Fr would need to increase there rotations I would say also. Frankly one flight a day restricts the traveller. I would say popular with students.
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easyJet is making 
loads from its EMA routes, why would it possible want to change that? And at the end of the day why is BHX pax numbers down so much, because the two airports are so close. Anyway its only two ski routes. Who's to say Ryanair wont make it twice daily from the spring, alot of business peple these days just want a good service, and by that i mean on time, and cheap, come on its 50 mins, companies don't have the funds to waste on over priced tickets anymore.
And if I was a student I would want to go somewhere more interesting than Belfast, come on we have some really interesting routes such as BUD and RIG.
Baby wont leave EMA, it would send shockwaves through the company, leaving its homebase due to increased competition from the likes of easyJet and Ryanair..... Im sure Baby will change its actions soon and put on new routes to give Ryanair a run for its money.
Im not 100% about how long Sterlin will be at EMA for, anyone have any idea on how the bookings are going? And does anyone known Thomsons long term plans for EMA, base more a/c here?
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loads from its EMA routes, why would it possible want to change that? And at the end of the day why is BHX pax numbers down so much, because the two airports are so close. Anyway its only two ski routes. Who's to say Ryanair wont make it twice daily from the spring, alot of business peple these days just want a good service, and by that i mean on time, and cheap, come on its 50 mins, companies don't have the funds to waste on over priced tickets anymore.And if I was a student I would want to go somewhere more interesting than Belfast, come on we have some really interesting routes such as BUD and RIG.
Baby wont leave EMA, it would send shockwaves through the company, leaving its homebase due to increased competition from the likes of easyJet and Ryanair..... Im sure Baby will change its actions soon and put on new routes to give Ryanair a run for its money.
Im not 100% about how long Sterlin will be at EMA for, anyone have any idea on how the bookings are going? And does anyone known Thomsons long term plans for EMA, base more a/c here?
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Im thinking that if easyjet do move to BHX then bmibaby might re - locate back to ema, with some more routes, or atleast move some of there routes, however as a lot of you have been saying which is that they have good pax then I dont think that will be happening anymore!
To be honist I know quite a lot of people that fly to Copenhagen a lot from Birmingham for a few days, regarding breaks, business and so i can imagen that they have a good load of pax on there plates, which aircraft will they be using, the B735 or B737...
Though to be honist theres not that much difference in size?
When the Thomson / First Choice situation was up i can remember reading that Thomson were planning on closing some of its uk bases and leaving first choice in them, if that is true they will probs move some aircraft from BHX or even the aircraft from Stansted which was said to be moving and have 'w' pattern destinations
To be honist I know quite a lot of people that fly to Copenhagen a lot from Birmingham for a few days, regarding breaks, business and so i can imagen that they have a good load of pax on there plates, which aircraft will they be using, the B735 or B737...
Though to be honist theres not that much difference in size?
When the Thomson / First Choice situation was up i can remember reading that Thomson were planning on closing some of its uk bases and leaving first choice in them, if that is true they will probs move some aircraft from BHX or even the aircraft from Stansted which was said to be moving and have 'w' pattern destinations
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And if I was a student I would want to go somewhere more interesting than Belfast
I was actually refering to folk originating in Belfast going to the East Midlands. As for Belfast as an option for students, Queens University is world renowned, I think from an academic point of view attractive for students and the night life is good. However if you are the kind of student who wants to lie on the beach all day well don't choose Belfast.
Of course EZY will move to BHX. I don't know about WW. Basically the way things are going in the British Isles outside London is you will have Ryanair airports and non-Ryanair airports. Prestwick is one, Shannon has become one this week will EMA become one time will tell
I was actually refering to folk originating in Belfast going to the East Midlands. As for Belfast as an option for students, Queens University is world renowned, I think from an academic point of view attractive for students and the night life is good. However if you are the kind of student who wants to lie on the beach all day well don't choose Belfast.
Of course EZY will move to BHX. I don't know about WW. Basically the way things are going in the British Isles outside London is you will have Ryanair airports and non-Ryanair airports. Prestwick is one, Shannon has become one this week will EMA become one time will tell
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Basically the way things are going in the British Isles outside London is you will have Ryanair airports and non-Ryanair airports. Prestwick is one, Shannon has become one this week will EMA become one time will tell
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I agree as well, it doesnt even matter what airline, as long as it blocks some of Ryanair's routes, Like bmibaby used to fly to Murica till Ryanair came in and blocked it, bmibaby should do the same to Ryanair...
Or Easyjet for that matter, who have more chances against Ryanair than any other UK LOCO operator
I mean, destinations such as
Lisbon <-- Easyjet want to expand from there and have been recentally
This would be good for easyjet as it will put Ryanair off Porto
Seville <-- Will put Ryanair off Faro and other spanish routes
Palma <-- I know i said they dont need anymore palma flights but anything to stop Ryanair... its a chance...
Something needs to be done, new airlines come quick
Or Easyjet for that matter, who have more chances against Ryanair than any other UK LOCO operator
I mean, destinations such as
Lisbon <-- Easyjet want to expand from there and have been recentally
This would be good for easyjet as it will put Ryanair off Porto
Seville <-- Will put Ryanair off Faro and other spanish routes
Palma <-- I know i said they dont need anymore palma flights but anything to stop Ryanair... its a chance...
Something needs to be done, new airlines come quick
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And at the end of the day why is BHX pax numbers down so much, because the two airports are so close.
That is one of the reasons I suppose Easy have looked at BHX now, Flybe are in a bit of a mess & I wouldn't be suprised if Easy took on Flybe at BHX but still kept their EMA base open
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baby would be stupid to allow Ryanair to walk all over them at East Midlands. As much of a competitive presence as they are at any airport, it has not stopped other carriers from also having successful bases. Ryanair's predominant selling point is cost, they will fly you to your destination almost always on-time, almost always with your baggage and almost always for a very low fare. As a result they can get away with flying to airports in the middle of nowhere and gouging passengers for every possible add-on. baby would be sensible before Ryanair start expanding to more big cities to get in there first. Plenty of people like the product we have to offer - assigned seats, major airports and being a member of diamond club. This is why it surprises me that baby aren't more keen to openly defend their turf, though I have heard baby and regional both might have an extra aircraft at EMA by next summer.
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We've all heard that one before about Baby basing an extra a/c at EMA same as they said that they will have two re-deployed units plus two new ones that would be spread throughout their current 4 bases.
If i remember correctly how many went to CWL, MAN & MME. They all went to BHX instead.
I would like to also mention that theese add-ons everyone is going on about are also with baby.
£7 for an infant each way
£4 online each way per bag £6 at the airport
So technically if your a family of 4 with an infant with 1 bag each it would be an extra £38 pound (bearing in mind the infant doesn't have a baggage allowance)
the catch is that if you purchase a seccond bag against one person name your still only allowed 20kg allowance and not 40kg as you would expect, so a charge of £5 per kg will be added.
I can't blame them though if they can get away with it then they are a business so anymore revenue to them is a bonus.
Just like to add that they plan expansion at CWL too so theres gunna be a fight for any new aircraft that arrive at the company but i would put my bets on it going to BHX.
If i remember correctly how many went to CWL, MAN & MME. They all went to BHX instead.
I would like to also mention that theese add-ons everyone is going on about are also with baby.
£7 for an infant each way
£4 online each way per bag £6 at the airport
So technically if your a family of 4 with an infant with 1 bag each it would be an extra £38 pound (bearing in mind the infant doesn't have a baggage allowance)
the catch is that if you purchase a seccond bag against one person name your still only allowed 20kg allowance and not 40kg as you would expect, so a charge of £5 per kg will be added.
I can't blame them though if they can get away with it then they are a business so anymore revenue to them is a bonus.
Just like to add that they plan expansion at CWL too so theres gunna be a fight for any new aircraft that arrive at the company but i would put my bets on it going to BHX.
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What you on about Ryanair only airports? Liverpool? Luton? Stansted? Bristol? At the end of the day if other airlines move because Ryanair offer cheaper seats well then that is good for the customers. And the only reason Ryanair flys from PIK not GLA is becuase its so much cheaper.
Any many of EMA routes are not to fields, well maybe in france, but thats only to allow second home owners to fly to a local airport which is near their home.
I don't know why so many people are against Ryanair, it offers good value for money and has brought air travel to many who couldn't afford it in the pass when you had to pay over inflated prices. Within 20 years become the worlds biggest carrier, not bad going in my book.
I actually feel sorry for some of the Baby staff, i see them working so hard and most of them are actually really nice people but are being totally let down by tiny town. So many of them have left already, either to the info desk, or to another ground agent. And I hope the managers in tiny town read this, try looking after your staff abit better, many of these boarding gate/checkin staff are the first people your pax will see, and will have a lasting impression.
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Any many of EMA routes are not to fields, well maybe in france, but thats only to allow second home owners to fly to a local airport which is near their home.
I don't know why so many people are against Ryanair, it offers good value for money and has brought air travel to many who couldn't afford it in the pass when you had to pay over inflated prices. Within 20 years become the worlds biggest carrier, not bad going in my book.
I actually feel sorry for some of the Baby staff, i see them working so hard and most of them are actually really nice people but are being totally let down by tiny town. So many of them have left already, either to the info desk, or to another ground agent. And I hope the managers in tiny town read this, try looking after your staff abit better, many of these boarding gate/checkin staff are the first people your pax will see, and will have a lasting impression.
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Stating facts or opinions doesn't mean one is against a particular airline. The reason FR get Pwk so cheap is because its the only real operator. EMA is in danger of becoming an FR airport which would not be good in the long run for facilities etc . Also if EZY were to move to BHX from EMA it's not because they are in fear of FR its just a sound commercial decision, because if they move in, BHX may never welcome FR why would they?. So ezy would be the actual benefiter here as BHX has a larger demand than EMA. EZY may apply this to MAN over LPL etc etc. Its not running from FR its moving up the next step ie into the bigger airports. And that's why I feel that FR could isolate itself into FR only airports. If you were an airport like man/bhx/gla would you be bothered with FR, they are a good airline to the public, but when you are a successful airport would you put up with MOL and his tactics
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DumDumBrain,
Have you actually checked RYR's website?
Frankfurt = Hahn
Hamburg = Lubeck
Barcelona = Reus or Girona
And that's just for starters, they fly to secondary airports because they are CHEAP. Not because of the 'second home owners'.
Can you also clarify your post as the grammar is worse than usual....... Are you saying that RYR is the biggest airline in the world or will become the biggest airline in the world?
S78
Have you actually checked RYR's website?
Frankfurt = Hahn
Hamburg = Lubeck
Barcelona = Reus or Girona
And that's just for starters, they fly to secondary airports because they are CHEAP. Not because of the 'second home owners'.
Can you also clarify your post as the grammar is worse than usual....... Are you saying that RYR is the biggest airline in the world or will become the biggest airline in the world?
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he can express his view, but am getting tired of reading his posts, this baby v FR v easy
is becoming tiresome, is there no other topic that can be discussed regarding EMA
is becoming tiresome, is there no other topic that can be discussed regarding EMA
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If EMA was to become an "FR airport" then this would be poor for the passengers. Although the arrival onto the lo-co market has increased pax numbers/reduced fares etc great for the consumer to have FR as the sinle entity at EMA would be terrible. Competition is good for the consumer in every industry so I'd like to see more fight from EZY/WW at EMA. Hell I worfk for FR but dont want them being the only one!
P.S. Does anyone know how the bookings are going for Belfast City with FR? I'm eager for these flights to start as I've been commuting to Dublin with FR then coach up to Belfast then BMI Baby via BFS to EMA for work. Be great personally for me.
Regards
P.S. Does anyone know how the bookings are going for Belfast City with FR? I'm eager for these flights to start as I've been commuting to Dublin with FR then coach up to Belfast then BMI Baby via BFS to EMA for work. Be great personally for me.
Regards
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Yes, I think we are all getting fed up with dumdum's posts about WW v FR v Easy!!
But... like you said he has a right to express his view, just wish he would get out more and stop posting the crap that he puts on here! lol
But... like you said he has a right to express his view, just wish he would get out more and stop posting the crap that he puts on here! lol
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To be fair, I think it's great to be proud of your employer, and when it's Ryanair there's plenty to be proud about when you look at their year on year growth and performance. I suppose the main reason Ryanair is taking over this thread, is because Ryanair are taking over the airport. The main issue for a lot of people at the airport is how everyone is going to react to their growth, will they do what has been done in the past and shy away or try to fight back. I love working for bmibaby, and if we were doing really well and adding new routes here, there and everywhere, I'd be the first to shout about it. What tiny town have to do, and maybe consider it as a move for the two ex-Air One aircraft we're getting, is put these to use to fight our corner, not run away screaming a la MJV, PSA, DUB, BCN etc. But history shows us that this will not be the case ...