EAST MIDLANDS - 5

[Fried_Chicken]

With Sterling beginning services to EMA later this year, will we see RYR launch some Scandinavian routes or will they be happy to let Sterling have the monopoly?

FC

[dumdumbrain]

Ryanair Vs Sterling

Good question, well since im not actually a spokes person for Ryanair just a 'goby trolly dolly', as some would call me (i like fast boarding and things to be done by the book). It's not really for me to say, but I personally think that it was almost a deal done between Ryanair and Sterling, that it can start doing flights to EMA and aslong as it does not start flying to PIK, LVP.......

The whole of Scandinavia has a very small population, and it would be hard for both airlines to fight on the same routes..... That and I think when Ryanair has more a/c it will be able to use them on routes that will have greater profit yields, like TFS and your second home owners. Maybe

GRO x14 a week
BHD x2 daily
TFS x 5 a week
MAD x7 a week
PMI (wish list)
ALC
AGP

Lee
SVQ

[OliWW]

For some reason I doubt Ryanair would fly to Malaga from EMA,
1) Because the route is already well filled by bmibaby operating 8 flights a week, and the figures for that show its a good route
2) Because easyJet also fly this route at a different type, bmibaby mid morning - afternoon, easyJet afternoon - evening...
3) Ryanair dont operate a Malaga flight to anywhere in England at the moment, if they were going to start this route soon they would have most likely put the route at liverpool or stansted to try it out using a bigger base...

I can atually see Ryanair moving the Barcelona Girona flight to 14x weekly,
also the 7x weekly Madrid, (that has been getting good passenger figures recentally),
Again im not sure on Belfast City twice daily, maybe in the far future but not right at the moment,
Tenerife 5x weekly will never really happen as there are to many other operators fly there at the moment, Thomson, First Choice, My Travel, Thomas Cook, Ryanair, and until now BA.
Palma - We might see at some point in the future but at the moment possibly not till next summer if that.
Alicante is realy the same as Malaga to be honist, However Alicante is operatored into other airports in England, possibly an increase in Murica flights is more nessasary as its a cheaper airport cost for Murica.

I would defentally like to see these routes come with Ryanair in the future:

East Midlands - Dusseldorf
East Midlands - Frankfurt
East Midlands - Seville
East Midlands - Bremen
East Midlands - Pula
East Midlands - Gdansk

Possibly... what is everyones opinon on this??

[bmia330]

quote 'dumdum'

'p.s. well done baby your back to normal not too many delays, and only short ones at that '

You just can't help yourself can you??

Enough said!!

[dumdumbrain]

I dunno, ALC is already at STN and LVP. TFS wasn't at any other UK airport, EMA and LVP got TFS at the same time, so maybe AGP in within a year. I dont think Ryanair care how many other airlines do a route, if it see's potential it will go for it. If we can offer a cheaper fare the bulk of people will fly with us.
*saying that i may actually be flying with baby/easyJet to AGP myself later in the month.

Yes I agree EMA-HHN, not so sure about EMA-NRN tho

Makes you wonder what german city baby will add....

Lee

[OliWW]

It would be nice to see bmibaby and Dusseldorf, Jet2 have had good progress with Dusseldorf from Leeds Bradford, im sure bmibaby could have the same good progress from East Midlands,

Im sure bmibaby would be able to get full capacity on there B733 and B735 to Dusseldorf, I imagen they could also get Hannover full or even Hamburg full on those aircraft...

Im thinking if they are thinking of new routes for the winter they would bring them within the next few weeks at a max!

[EGAC_Ramper]

You know reading the posts on some persons here calling themselves "professionals" makes mewonder sometimes.....

Personally I'd like Belfast City to get more flights purely on a selfish note as I can travel home easier!

[finding_nema]

Just a couple of points before we all start ringing tiny's death knell. EMA was baby's best performing base last month with an average load factor of 71%, with the Med routes doing even better at 78%. Although I have little faith in tiny town that they'd manage to compete with Ryanair directly on some routes, it can't be that difficult to see we've got a good thing going and need to fight tooth and nail to retain what we've got. Sure delays happen, the competition has got tougher, we look like we work in farmfoods and our "spokesbaby" has a disproportionally large head to the rest of his body ... but the foundations are all there for a city and sun-spot orientated low-cost airline.

Just to advise about DUS, the airport is heavily slot constrained and would also compete with Lufthansa's BHXDUS route, so I would guess that will never be launched alongside FRA or MUC.

[egnxema]

Hello OliWW - and welcome to the thread as a relatively new poster.

Would you like to introduce yourself to us all? We would love to know a bit about you - your connections with aviation and with EMA etc.

[OliWW]

What a nice way to include me with pprune =]

Well... I have recentally been helping out at EMA with Servisair and Thomsonfly, I am friends with the manager of Servisair and the manager of Thomsonfly so get quite a lot of my information from them.

Hopefully soon becoming a deputy manager for one of these two soon...

Thanks for the nice welcome! =]

[dumdumbrain]

Alc-ema

With Ryanair close to ALC becoming yet another base, and most of its flights will be to the UK and Germany, I think it will only a matter of time u untill we have ALC-EMA. Enought pax to go round for three low cost airlines doing the same route, and MJV.

[OliWW]

If anything I think it is easyJet that should be worried, to be honist I dont think they have been getting full loads on there Alicante flights compared to bmibaby and knowing Ryanair if they started Alicante it would most likely be a 6.30 departure, round about the same time as easyJet,

Some how I believe bmibaby will pull through the Alicante even if Ryanair do come in...

[dumdumbrain]

If the route starts because of a ALC base, well then it would most likely me a ALC based a/c, so it would not have a 06:30 departure from EMA.

It would be interesting to know the loads for easyJet and Ryanair on the EMA-CIA as both leave EMA early morning.

Also with the 6th a/c coming in oct, I wonder what the additional routes will be next spring with it.

Lee

[OliWW]

Ahh Yeah... An Alicante base I forgot =]...

Well... the FR flight is at 6.30 and the EZY at 8.10 so there is a little gab between them, I do however think that the Ryanair flight has better pax than easyJet, I remember when I was at the airport a few weeks ago and heared that the easyJet - Rome had 79pax onboard, thats just over half for an A319...

I think a good time for an Alicante flight with Ryanair would be departing ALC at about 15:00 and arriving in at EMA at about 18.20 and then back in at ALC at about 20:55, but then the based aircraft is parked for a long time so its more likely going to arrive back there between 10 - 11 most likely, which could give the EMA arrival time of about 7 - 8

[dumdumbrain]

Yeh on my rome today, we had almost a full load both ways, as normal a fair number didn't show.

Well things are really starting to move again for Ryanair at EMA with new a/c coming towards the end of oct, and more in spring, its all on course again and full steam ahead.

[UPS@EMA]

lee,

Is this new aircraft in october a definate????? if so, what routes are you looking at?????

Regards

Stu

p.s read your P.M's

[dumdumbrain]

I need somewhere to park

the new routes are already out, don't forget TSF will take up most of a day, 4hr30mins each way with a 07:30 from EMA back at EMA about 17:00.
And we are not seeing much in the way of reduced service on some routes. Im not totally sure if we will get any new routes this winter from an EMA based a/c. Look out for HHN and ALC
I think the main issue for EMA now is ramp space for the summer season of 08, i know it sounds along way off but if Ryanair could have 9/10 a/c by the summer of 08, and then you have all the tour ops back, and possible expansion from Baby (pigs may fly) where are all the a/c going to go. I was told that from stand 41 on the new peir, the stands will be remarked to make more space.
Also if the peir was to be extended south for ramp space, how could a low cost airline use it, when you have to get a bus to customs.......Looks like EMA will have another winter of building work.
Also does EMA have enough checkin desks, security, departures and customs and will the ground agents be able to handle such an increase in traffic in such a short space of time.......

Lee

p.s. will check pm now

[EGAC_Ramper]

Always heard myself 2 aircraft for October but since then been revised from the FR engineers that 1 is to arrive. Hopefully a newer one than the 2 CS? ones we got at the moment lol.

[OliWW]

I did read on here a while back that bmibaby were looking to expand from EMA and MAN, I really dont think that will happen in the winter so possibly another aircraft for baby in the summer, bringing them to 6, Ryanair:

I am positive they will bring atleast another 2 aircraft between October and June, with more routes, easyJet still looks still and standard, and with Sterling's new operation in the Winter, but they havent yet released there summer timetable so most likely be around the same in the summer =]

[dumdumbrain]

Yeh i know what you mean, the number has been up n down for the last few months, but thats the nature of the business for you. I gotta admit the newer a/c are abit too yellow for my liking when you look from the rear galley.....

Lee