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Err, what 747 operator? LLIA was expanded by the likes of BY & MON, later Ryan, before they were tempted by cross-subsidies & Easy. The whole game plan has changed....Ok Luton needs more concrete. but not for big birds!
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The point I was trying to make was that there wouldn't be a 747 Operator.
STN = Long runway, huge land area for expansion, on site railway terminal, closest Airport to Londons Financial centre, modern Terminal currently accomodating 23.5 mppa with capacity for 25 mppa and . . . good road access!!
LTN = Short runway, no land area for expansion, off site railway terminal, closest Airport to North London, modern terminal but patently at capacity, limited road access which will not improve, even with the M1 roadwork, it will still be a 'cul-de-sac'!!
There are areas where LTN can compete with STN, ie 'Silverjet', the dedicated terminal is a winner, but forget a 1-2-1, it didn't work 20 years ago and it won't work now!
STN = Long runway, huge land area for expansion, on site railway terminal, closest Airport to Londons Financial centre, modern Terminal currently accomodating 23.5 mppa with capacity for 25 mppa and . . . good road access!!
LTN = Short runway, no land area for expansion, off site railway terminal, closest Airport to North London, modern terminal but patently at capacity, limited road access which will not improve, even with the M1 roadwork, it will still be a 'cul-de-sac'!!
There are areas where LTN can compete with STN, ie 'Silverjet', the dedicated terminal is a winner, but forget a 1-2-1, it didn't work 20 years ago and it won't work now!
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STN = Long runway, huge land area for expansion, on site railway terminal, closest Airport to Londons Financial centre, modern Terminal currently accomodating 23.5 mppa with capacity for 25 mppa and . . . good road access!!
Furthest airport from London out of the big 5
Smallest catchment area of any London Airport
LTN= second largest catchment area of any airport not only for London but the whole of the UK
Main line rail service with a standard daytime service of 14 trains an hour with trains running 24 hours a day......
Pointless discussion, as both airports have their advantages and disadvantages.
The original plan showed a landside 5 story terminal built where the TNT warehouse, Vauxhall dealership and B&Q are located. A people mover would have taken passengers to the site of the present terminal, which would have been the departure lounge.
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A lack of faith (but not by the airport) curtailed this
The point I was trying to make was that there wouldn't be a 747 Operator...STN = Long runway, huge land area for expansion, on site railway terminal, closest Airport to London's Financial Centre, modern terminal
I agree Stansted has an onsite railway station but the 40mins+ connection to London is the longest journey of all five London airports.
Stansted is not the "closest Airport to London's Financial Centre" - this distinction goes to London/City!!
Finally, the terminals at Luton and Stansted are now both 'modern' and have broadly the same number of advantages and disadvantages.
Where I would agree entirely is that the airport road system at Luton in comparison to Stansted and Gatwick (and for example, Birmingham, Edinburgh and Manchester) is a total shambles that will not be improved even if the M1 and A505 were expanded into 20-lane US-style freeways; then there's the still hopeless road connection to the east and the A1(M)...
On a much smaller scale, Luton suffers from the same inherent design fault that Heathrow's Central Terminal Area suffers from. The difference is that the latter was designed and built nearly 60 years ago, whilst the former is a much more recent development.
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Chopper69 I totally fail to see the point you are trying to make. What is it with B747s? 
A lot of the road carnage has the hand of DoT, or whatever they are called this week, and Bedfordshire CC on it. Why else is Stansted signposted around the M25 from Heathrow and Luton not, until j21. LBC wanted all of Vauxhall Way dualled from the start, Beds CC vetoed it.
A lot of the road carnage has the hand of DoT, or whatever they are called this week, and Bedfordshire CC on it. Why else is Stansted signposted around the M25 from Heathrow and Luton not, until j21. LBC wanted all of Vauxhall Way dualled from the start, Beds CC vetoed it.
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A small piece of history from the war he years has gone as one of Luton’s original T2 hangars has been dismantled. Well half of it, as the other half was removed a few years ago. The strange thing is that I never saw it go. One day it was there and then it was gone.
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Perhaps because Stansted is the 3rd busiest airport in the UK!
A small piece of history from the war he years has gone as one of Luton’s original T2 hangars has been dismantled. Well half of it, as the other half was removed a few years ago. The strange thing is that I never saw it go. One day it was there and then it was gone.
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Why else is Stansted signposted around the M25 from Heathrow and Luton not, until j21.
Perhaps because Stansted is the 3rd busiest airport in the UK!
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Vintage ATCO Retirement
Just a few belated words from me on reaching your retirement. I think it goes without saying that everybody interested in all aspects of aviation would join me in hoping that you have “three greens” for many years to come. My interest in Luton began just after you started in 1967 so it would be a period of Autair Ambassadors and Vickers Vikings; Britannia Britannias and British Midland Argonauts. Also the Handley-Page DC-3 “hack” G-ATBE dropping in for customs clearing before leaving for Radlett. Good luck.
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Onur Air at Luton
I noticed on the arrivals board of LTN's website that tomorrow Onur Air operate a charter to Bodrum:
OHY661 Bodrum 08:00 27th Sept 2007
I never knew LTN saw such exotic metal!
What aircraft type operates this schedule? I know Onur Air have got quite a various fleet, including A300's, A310's, A321 and MD-87's.
I know the summer schedule is slowly winding down now, for this year. But what other regular charters have been flying into Luton this year, from foreign carriers. It just makes such a change from the same old metal at Luton!
OHY661 Bodrum 08:00 27th Sept 2007
I never knew LTN saw such exotic metal!
What aircraft type operates this schedule? I know Onur Air have got quite a various fleet, including A300's, A310's, A321 and MD-87's.
I know the summer schedule is slowly winding down now, for this year. But what other regular charters have been flying into Luton this year, from foreign carriers. It just makes such a change from the same old metal at Luton!
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All flights have been on A321's. At the height of the summer there were two on Wednesday and one on Thursday, but throughout September only one flight on Wednesday.
The flights yesterday and today were the last in the series.
The flights yesterday and today were the last in the series.
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See that Harrods are now stating that their new FBO facility, ramp space extension etc, will be fully completed by December, with a "going live" start from Jan 08.
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Great to see some additonal Apron Space finally becoming available at LTN, this is well over due... I wonder it this will allow FR to base some additional aircraft at the airport?
All of SilverJet's 762's are flying during the night time, basing additional aircraft that require a night stop has been issue. As there has simply been no space available. Space during the day is not a problem, as aircrafts are flying away from base.
Fingers crossed for 2-3 more FR 738's at LTN. The much promised expansion from them is well overdue!
All of SilverJet's 762's are flying during the night time, basing additional aircraft that require a night stop has been issue. As there has simply been no space available. Space during the day is not a problem, as aircrafts are flying away from base.
Fingers crossed for 2-3 more FR 738's at LTN. The much promised expansion from them is well overdue!
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More Ryanair? Only if the deal they are offered is good, which I somehow doubt. With 10 million passengers per year, I guess Luton has no need to offer massive incentives to entice additional capacity.
So how many 767-200's can you park in one go on the south stands?
So how many 767-200's can you park in one go on the south stands?