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Originally the Monday night flight was Corfu for Olympic, which was
changed to a once weekly IT to Bodrum from 25/7/11 I believe.
Therefore the May start is an upgrade and the Friday replaces the
Olympic Heraklion, so this is extra for the destination but not as a
movement.
Still no 5th aircraft as rumoured just 4 extremely busy ones!
I now make it that the down time on the four based and where
other flights could be squashed in amount to Tuesday evening
after the IT Heraklion (used to be PMI) and Wednesday after
the Papfos.
I suppose you can't blame them building in some slack in case
of tech issues. Quite a schedule really.
The only downside is that Palma still only operates on four days
and Alicante is still only six days with the Monday given over to
a second weekly Almeria.
If they had the aircraft I am sure consideration to a 5th based
would have been given. Larnaca for instance will still be three a
week despite the disappearance of Cyprus Airways and Papfos
although new as a schedule service operated last year as IT.
Baby and Ryanair's May - October schedule is similar to 2010.
Pete
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Originally the Monday night flight was Corfu for Olympic, which was
changed to a once weekly IT to Bodrum from 25/7/11 I believe.
Therefore the May start is an upgrade and the Friday replaces the
Olympic Heraklion, so this is extra for the destination but not as a
movement.
Still no 5th aircraft as rumoured just 4 extremely busy ones!
I now make it that the down time on the four based and where
other flights could be squashed in amount to Tuesday evening
after the IT Heraklion (used to be PMI) and Wednesday after
the Papfos.
I suppose you can't blame them building in some slack in case
of tech issues. Quite a schedule really.
The only downside is that Palma still only operates on four days
and Alicante is still only six days with the Monday given over to
a second weekly Almeria.
If they had the aircraft I am sure consideration to a 5th based
would have been given. Larnaca for instance will still be three a
week despite the disappearance of Cyprus Airways and Papfos
although new as a schedule service operated last year as IT.
Baby and Ryanair's May - October schedule is similar to 2010.
Pete
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Re Evening Mail
Re the runway and ATC Tower, if you read it carefully it in itself is little more than rehashed spin.
It starts strongly saying this year will be the year the runway extension is built.
However those are the words of the Evening Mail and NOT Mr Keehoe.He continues to sit on the fence and says "IF it happens it COULD be built by 2014"
The article goes onto say it is still unclear where £12 million for the road diversion work will come from.
In relation to the new ATC tower this now has nothing to do with the runway extension.Although submitted in the original application with the runway,it was then split.BHX now say the tower is being built now simply because the old one is falling to bits.
Not saying that the ex
tension work won't start this year, but its not what the article detail is saying..title grabs the attention though !
It starts strongly saying this year will be the year the runway extension is built.
However those are the words of the Evening Mail and NOT Mr Keehoe.He continues to sit on the fence and says "IF it happens it COULD be built by 2014"
The article goes onto say it is still unclear where £12 million for the road diversion work will come from.
In relation to the new ATC tower this now has nothing to do with the runway extension.Although submitted in the original application with the runway,it was then split.BHX now say the tower is being built now simply because the old one is falling to bits.
Not saying that the ex
tension work won't start this year, but its not what the article detail is saying..title grabs the attention though !
To me everything that comes out of BHX's management's mouth is unclear. If things were going to happen then BHX should tell the world. The runway could be an important turning point in the airport's future.
By the way was BHX absent from the recent travel trade show at the NEC?
By the way was BHX absent from the recent travel trade show at the NEC?
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As far as I can remember the Tower has to be completed before the extension is built. Something to do with coverage of the extra length which will be out of sight.....Unless this has changed...
As far as the extension etc is concerned I think Kehoe just puts anything out there to keep everything alive without committing to anything. It may be that lack of commitment that's putting airlines off..
As far as the extension etc is concerned I think Kehoe just puts anything out there to keep everything alive without committing to anything. It may be that lack of commitment that's putting airlines off..
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The sad thing is, if Mr Kehoe hadn't spent £13 million turning 2 terminals into one, (what a great marketing ploy that is) apparently claiming it would increase efficiency and save costs, and then spent yet more money 'rebranding' there would now be enough money to get cracking on the runway extension.
To me, the mystery is, at the time the airport shares were sold, the Canadian and New Zealand Teachers pension funds buying in were supposed to have legally committed to provide funds for the runway extension as part of the deal.
Where's that money gone? Was there a time clause which allowed them to wriggle out of the committment if the work didn't begin by a certain date?
It certainly wasn't lack of money as far as the Canadians were concerned, while BHX dithered they went off and bought Bristol Airport!
I'm afraid that despite his brave words, Mr Kehoe still shows reluctance to get a grip on the runway extension scheme, it seems his heart just isn't in it.
Mr Kehoe is on a salary of £200,000 plus bonuses.
According to the Birminham Mail, for year 2009/2010 his bonus amounted to £186,000 giving a total of £386,000.
For this sort of money, we really should be seeing some positive results by now.
To me, the mystery is, at the time the airport shares were sold, the Canadian and New Zealand Teachers pension funds buying in were supposed to have legally committed to provide funds for the runway extension as part of the deal.
Where's that money gone? Was there a time clause which allowed them to wriggle out of the committment if the work didn't begin by a certain date?
It certainly wasn't lack of money as far as the Canadians were concerned, while BHX dithered they went off and bought Bristol Airport!
I'm afraid that despite his brave words, Mr Kehoe still shows reluctance to get a grip on the runway extension scheme, it seems his heart just isn't in it.
Mr Kehoe is on a salary of £200,000 plus bonuses.
According to the Birminham Mail, for year 2009/2010 his bonus amounted to £186,000 giving a total of £386,000.
For this sort of money, we really should be seeing some positive results by now.
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The sad thing is, if Mr Kehoe hadn't spent £13 million turning 2 terminals into one, (what a great marketing ploy that is) apparently claiming it would increase efficiency and save costs, and then spent yet more money 'rebranding' there would now be enough money to get cracking on the runway extension.
To me, the mystery is, at the time the airport shares were sold, the Canadian and New Zealand Teachers pension funds buying in were supposed to have legally committed to provide funds for the runway extension as part of the deal.
Where's that money gone? Was there a time clause which allowed them to wriggle out of the committment if the work didn't begin by a certain date?
It certainly wasn't lack of money as far as the Canadians were concerned, while BHX dithered they went off and bought Bristol Airport!
I'm afraid that despite his brave words, Mr Kehoe still shows reluctance to get a grip on the runway extension scheme, it seems his heart just isn't in it.
Mr Kehoe is on a salary of £200,000 plus bonuses.
According to the Birminham Mail, for year 2009/2010 his bonus amounted to £186,000 giving a total of £386,000.
For this sort of money, we really should be seeing some positive results by now.
To me, the mystery is, at the time the airport shares were sold, the Canadian and New Zealand Teachers pension funds buying in were supposed to have legally committed to provide funds for the runway extension as part of the deal.
Where's that money gone? Was there a time clause which allowed them to wriggle out of the committment if the work didn't begin by a certain date?
It certainly wasn't lack of money as far as the Canadians were concerned, while BHX dithered they went off and bought Bristol Airport!
I'm afraid that despite his brave words, Mr Kehoe still shows reluctance to get a grip on the runway extension scheme, it seems his heart just isn't in it.
Mr Kehoe is on a salary of £200,000 plus bonuses.
According to the Birminham Mail, for year 2009/2010 his bonus amounted to £186,000 giving a total of £386,000.
For this sort of money, we really should be seeing some positive results by now.
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Two terminals
Going through the old terminal 2 on a regular basis, I find it curious how the two terminals into one has panned out. It seems a lot of hot air, unless I'm missing something. There are two distinct check-in areas and two baggage reclaim areas. The only thing shared is the security search area. Once through that, I suppose one can walk between the two terminals, but, personally, I find that has little impact on me.
As a passenger, my question is whether the major building works were really worth it? There seems little discernible benefit.
Scott
As a passenger, my question is whether the major building works were really worth it? There seems little discernible benefit.
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Two reasons for the 'One Terminal'.Firstly whatever gate you depart from, ie 1-20 would be in the old T2 and the rest in the old T1 you will have to pass throught the new Duty Free shop thats soon opening.
Also it's to cut down on the numbers of security required to proccess pax
Both those reasons are my own opinion but may be close to the truth!
Two reasons for the 'One Terminal'.Firstly whatever gate you depart from, ie 1-20 would be in the old T2 and the rest in the old T1 you will have to pass throught the new Duty Free shop thats soon opening.
Also it's to cut down on the numbers of security required to proccess pax
Both those reasons are my own opinion but may be close to the truth!
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Since Mr Kehoe has been in charge what has he acheived ?
1) New International routes - none whatsoever apart from an odd Ryan Air, or from third class carriers who seem to survive for a few weeks only.
2) The long ongoing saga of the Runway Extension - if the funds are in place as per Mr. Kehoe, when is the constuction starting, he seems to be struggling to announce a start date.
3) BHX has been going downhill since the Economic downturn which is understandable,but the things are improving at other Airports with new routes & capacity increases on existing ones, no sign of that happening at BHX.
I wonder if the Shareholders are getting their returns from the investment made on Mr Kehoe!!
1) New International routes - none whatsoever apart from an odd Ryan Air, or from third class carriers who seem to survive for a few weeks only.
2) The long ongoing saga of the Runway Extension - if the funds are in place as per Mr. Kehoe, when is the constuction starting, he seems to be struggling to announce a start date.
3) BHX has been going downhill since the Economic downturn which is understandable,but the things are improving at other Airports with new routes & capacity increases on existing ones, no sign of that happening at BHX.
I wonder if the Shareholders are getting their returns from the investment made on Mr Kehoe!!
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If the Terminal merger was intended to save 50 jobs then I reckon that at say, £30,000 per person per year, it will take at least eight years before there are any savings whatsoever whether the scheme works or not.
On a different point, the Airport still says that January's passenger numbers increased by 0.2% yet the CAA stats say the increase was actually 0.7% and that seems to be the correct total.
On a different point, the Airport still says that January's passenger numbers increased by 0.2% yet the CAA stats say the increase was actually 0.7% and that seems to be the correct total.
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Unbelievably
others who attended stated they did NOT see a BHX stand there,if that is so its an absolute disgrace,on their own doorstep, and speaks volumes !!
Nigel
others who attended stated they did NOT see a BHX stand there,if that is so its an absolute disgrace,on their own doorstep, and speaks volumes !!Nigel
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NEC show
You are right guys! In fact I don't think BHX has been at that show since 2008! Just emphasises the current total lack of any understanding of marketing!
On the subject of PK.....will the shareholders ever wake up?!
On the subject of PK.....will the shareholders ever wake up?!
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Prospects
My guess is that with current management structure in place the same " will it, maybe, possibly" will still be on here in 12 months time and there will be no further developments on any runway extension and no new significant new routes or increaed frequencies ( and I am not talking about once a week summer flights or a loco stopping a flight and starting another, more like what has happended up the M6) Fat chance.
As usual BHX will attract a carrier and jobs just when the next recession starts and it will last 6 months. Always 2 years behind the pace. My view is that it is time for a change so that more of an impact can be made than dropping the Internation from the name and a termnal merger that was not really needed.
Here is a thought, in the winter close the eurohub and only use ex terminal 1, the declining traffic wont need it in the winter and the new structure makes it easy to do. I knew that there was a method in the madness.
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As usual BHX will attract a carrier and jobs just when the next recession starts and it will last 6 months. Always 2 years behind the pace. My view is that it is time for a change so that more of an impact can be made than dropping the Internation from the name and a termnal merger that was not really needed.
Here is a thought, in the winter close the eurohub and only use ex terminal 1, the declining traffic wont need it in the winter and the new structure makes it easy to do. I knew that there was a method in the madness.
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2010 annual figures & PK
The CAA have published their annual stats. Dublin is BHX's
number one route still for volume.
Good news for BHX and EK with the best % increase in the UK
although passenger % increases are pretty meaningless unless
you have the yields and the exact number of seat increases
compared to the previous year.
Dubai: -
Heathrow 1787561 +2%
Gatwick 629810 +10%
Manchester 565575 +8%
Birmingham 497362 +14%****
Glasgow 268541 +10%
Newcastle 163064 +13%
Other BHX mid & long-haul
Newark 100355 up 101 pax or 0% as the CAA put it
Islamabad 106089 up 7%
Tehran 50435 +132%
Ashkhabad 65135 +20%
BHX - Istanbul was up 5% but I don't think they will
be going double daily!!!!!
Curious Lady1
I don't suppose the shareholders will both too much unless the £££'s
figures go into the red. Pity his bonus is not linked to net new routes
in the financial year rather than based on penny-pinching.
Pete
number one route still for volume.
Good news for BHX and EK with the best % increase in the UK
although passenger % increases are pretty meaningless unless
you have the yields and the exact number of seat increases
compared to the previous year.
Dubai: -
Heathrow 1787561 +2%
Gatwick 629810 +10%
Manchester 565575 +8%
Birmingham 497362 +14%****
Glasgow 268541 +10%
Newcastle 163064 +13%
Other BHX mid & long-haul
Newark 100355 up 101 pax or 0% as the CAA put it
Islamabad 106089 up 7%
Tehran 50435 +132%
Ashkhabad 65135 +20%
BHX - Istanbul was up 5% but I don't think they will
be going double daily!!!!!
Curious Lady1
I don't suppose the shareholders will both too much unless the £££'s
figures go into the red. Pity his bonus is not linked to net new routes
in the financial year rather than based on penny-pinching.
Pete
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I've been working at BHX for almost 20 years now, and in that 20 years what has changed with regards to development etc.......not a great lot I can tell you, This airport is still in the dark ages compared to others, and will be going nowhere unless something is done !!!
I'm sick of seeing 737's, Dash 8's etc all day everyday, we want and need the big boys here, Just glad the EK 777 is here.
The runway extension is holding us back, Airlines won't even bother considering us if they have to make fuel stops en-route, have weight restrictions etc..
Wake up BHX airport Management !!!!
Birmingham is the 2nd city and has a sh*te airport, Manchester Airport left us behind years ago !!!!
my 2 cents
Dave
I've been working at BHX for almost 20 years now, and in that 20 years what has changed with regards to development etc.......not a great lot I can tell you, This airport is still in the dark ages compared to others, and will be going nowhere unless something is done !!!
I'm sick of seeing 737's, Dash 8's etc all day everyday, we want and need the big boys here, Just glad the EK 777 is here.
The runway extension is holding us back, Airlines won't even bother considering us if they have to make fuel stops en-route, have weight restrictions etc..
Wake up BHX airport Management !!!!
Birmingham is the 2nd city and has a sh*te airport, Manchester Airport left us behind years ago !!!!
my 2 cents
Dave
If BHX are interested in growth then why didn't they divert the money from merging 2 terminals into the runway extension? Correct me if I'm wrong but from what I've read on here and elsewhere, BHX seem to be scraping around for £12m to divert the Covt Rd. The merger of 2 terminals cost £13m for what reason? to make more staff redundant and introduce a duty frre shop at the point of exit? Even at LHR hardly anyone bothers stopping off in the terminal 3 shop. Once you have passed customs then duty and VAT are added and the goods become more expensive than Asda!!
Good marketing BHX well done. I bet Sir Bob is turning in his grave.
Good marketing BHX well done. I bet Sir Bob is turning in his grave.
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Continental/United
Spoke to somebody at Continental today who described the 767 rumour as 'rubbish'. There are no plans to upgrade the service (although things can change) and whoever was putting that information out at the trade show did so without the knowledge/approval of Continental.
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Any plans for airlines to expand at BHX will be on hold while the oil price is over $100/barrel.
for example
United scraps expansion plans because of oil - Travel - News - msnbc.com
It is very likely that oil will never drop below $100/b again. If so most of the effort will be in keeping existing routes load factors up and triming timetables. I cannot see that the business case for expanding the runway could work at the current oil price. Just divide the cost by the like number of extra pax and you will get a large cost for each added pax. With BAA split up you have lots of London airports fighting for traffic.
for example
United scraps expansion plans because of oil - Travel - News - msnbc.com
It is very likely that oil will never drop below $100/b again. If so most of the effort will be in keeping existing routes load factors up and triming timetables. I cannot see that the business case for expanding the runway could work at the current oil price. Just divide the cost by the like number of extra pax and you will get a large cost for each added pax. With BAA split up you have lots of London airports fighting for traffic.