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Anyone know anything about the suggestion of a TBM850 being impounded at BHX (by virtue of snow ploughs) as suggested here:
http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...unded-bhx.html
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Just curious.
http://www.pprune.org/private-flying...unded-bhx.html
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Just curious.
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Seems like you are looking for routes based on spotterish requirements.
You want to see a B767 purely because there are too many B737's at BHX already. Is this why you want AA to bring the B777 to BHX rather than the more likely and more sustainable B757?
Viking hellas manages MAN-ATH-Erbil on an MD80/A320/B737, so Im sure a B737 could manage BHX-ATH-JED quite easily, and more sustainably too. If a B737 is the best for a said route, then that is what they will use.
You want to see a B767 purely because there are too many B737's at BHX already. Is this why you want AA to bring the B777 to BHX rather than the more likely and more sustainable B757?
Viking hellas manages MAN-ATH-Erbil on an MD80/A320/B737, so Im sure a B737 could manage BHX-ATH-JED quite easily, and more sustainably too. If a B737 is the best for a said route, then that is what they will use.
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Not spotterish requirements, but more large aircraft at BHX. Probably an A330 or A340 but it won't happen until a couple of years time.
Airlines wont operate a 'large aircraft' into BHX if there isnt the demand.
Regarding Jeddah for example, GVA with its wealthier surroundsins only attracts a 3 weekly A320, so why would BHX warrant an A330?
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PIA axe Glasgow route, but could expand other UK services
PIA axe Glasgow route, but could expand other UK services
http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...ml#post6178088
http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airpo...ml#post6178088
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Very surprised to see Malta back on for 2011 but I was told today that bookings for the month of March are quiet good. Also BHX is not the only UK airport to lose Porto. BRS has also lost it.
Very surprised to see Malta back on for 2011 but I was told today that bookings for the month of March are quiet good. Also BHX is not the only UK airport to lose Porto. BRS has also lost it.
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Progress??
£15m growth fund boost for Birmingham Airport runway plans - Latest Business News - Business News - Business - Birmingham Post
£15m growth fund boost for Birmingham Airport runway plans
A new Government Regional Growth Fund for economic development could contribute £15 million to kick-start Birmingham Airport’s runway extension.
Councils and business leaders in charge of the Birmingham-Solihull Local Enterprise Partnership want the RGF to meet almost half the £32 million cost of diverting the A45 Coventry Road to enable the 350-metre runway extension to be built.
Uncertainty about how the road diversion will be paid for is continuing to hold back the runway project, which is seen as a vital trigger for economic growth.
Centro, the passenger transport authority, will give £10 million toward the A45 cost, with the airport contributing £7 million. Birmingham City Council has promised to find £15 million, but public spending cuts faced by local government could put the pledge in doubt.
The proposal to include the A45 scheme in one of eight priority bids for the first round of LEP funding was criticised by West Midlands Friends of the Earth.
Spokesman Chris Crean said: “If the airport wants to extend its runway then it should pay the full cost itself, including moving the A45. We do not believe there is any justification for a commercial project like this being funded by the public purse.”
Mr Crean hit out at the allocation process for RGF bids, overseen by an interim assessment panel set up by the shadow LEP board.
He said: “Who are these people deciding which projects to bid for?
“There is no public scrutiny, no transparency and no democratic input into this.”
With the longer runway in place, Birmingham Airport will be able to compete with Heathrow, Gatwick and Manchester by offering non-stop flights to cities in China and India and to the west coast of America for the first time.
An application for financial assistance is one of eight bids from the partnership for RGF funding totalling £54 million.
A separate bid for financial assistance is expected to be submitted by Jaguar Land Rover.
The RGF will operate across England from 2011 to 2014 and replaces a cash fund previously administered by the regional development agencies.
Read More £15m growth fund boost for Birmingham Airport runway plans - Latest Business News - Business News - Business - Birmingham Post
£15m growth fund boost for Birmingham Airport runway plans
A new Government Regional Growth Fund for economic development could contribute £15 million to kick-start Birmingham Airport’s runway extension.
Councils and business leaders in charge of the Birmingham-Solihull Local Enterprise Partnership want the RGF to meet almost half the £32 million cost of diverting the A45 Coventry Road to enable the 350-metre runway extension to be built.
Uncertainty about how the road diversion will be paid for is continuing to hold back the runway project, which is seen as a vital trigger for economic growth.
Centro, the passenger transport authority, will give £10 million toward the A45 cost, with the airport contributing £7 million. Birmingham City Council has promised to find £15 million, but public spending cuts faced by local government could put the pledge in doubt.
The proposal to include the A45 scheme in one of eight priority bids for the first round of LEP funding was criticised by West Midlands Friends of the Earth.
Spokesman Chris Crean said: “If the airport wants to extend its runway then it should pay the full cost itself, including moving the A45. We do not believe there is any justification for a commercial project like this being funded by the public purse.”
Mr Crean hit out at the allocation process for RGF bids, overseen by an interim assessment panel set up by the shadow LEP board.
He said: “Who are these people deciding which projects to bid for?
“There is no public scrutiny, no transparency and no democratic input into this.”
With the longer runway in place, Birmingham Airport will be able to compete with Heathrow, Gatwick and Manchester by offering non-stop flights to cities in China and India and to the west coast of America for the first time.
An application for financial assistance is one of eight bids from the partnership for RGF funding totalling £54 million.
A separate bid for financial assistance is expected to be submitted by Jaguar Land Rover.
The RGF will operate across England from 2011 to 2014 and replaces a cash fund previously administered by the regional development agencies.
Read More £15m growth fund boost for Birmingham Airport runway plans - Latest Business News - Business News - Business - Birmingham Post
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With the longer runway in place, Birmingham Airport will be able to compete with Heathrow, Gatwick and Manchester by offering non-stop flights to cities in China and India and to the west coast of America for the first time
Firstly, AI managed to India on BHX's 'short' runway, but now dont seem so bothered about comming back, BHX cant even sustain 2 daily flights to the EAST coast USA, let alone a west coast connection.
It needs to keep the airlines that are piling out of BHX. Whilst its probably not BHX's fault, but loosing its bread and butter airlines such as Cyprus/Air Malta are not exactly promising signs, so maybe address these issues before chasing 'fantasy' routes?
wanna_be_there.
Sadly I think you are spot on as regards long haul, in point of fact, not even Manchester can support regular scheduled passenger operations to the US west coast, or for that matter non stop services to destinations in China, Japan etc.
The article is little more than the usual press nonsense cobbled together by ignorant journalists egged on by PR companies who are probabaly only marginally more knowledgeable.
However, as everyone knows, AI pulled the plug on BHX to preserve slots at the sacred cow that is LHR. Moreover Cyprus and Air Malta are hardly what you would call bread and butter airlines - operating quasi IT services as they do / did. BHX's "bread and butter" airlines are Flybe along with the major european carriers, such as LH, AF, KL, SK - and of course Emirates all of whose services have stood up extremely well through the recent economic downturn.
Sadly I think you are spot on as regards long haul, in point of fact, not even Manchester can support regular scheduled passenger operations to the US west coast, or for that matter non stop services to destinations in China, Japan etc.
The article is little more than the usual press nonsense cobbled together by ignorant journalists egged on by PR companies who are probabaly only marginally more knowledgeable.
However, as everyone knows, AI pulled the plug on BHX to preserve slots at the sacred cow that is LHR. Moreover Cyprus and Air Malta are hardly what you would call bread and butter airlines - operating quasi IT services as they do / did. BHX's "bread and butter" airlines are Flybe along with the major european carriers, such as LH, AF, KL, SK - and of course Emirates all of whose services have stood up extremely well through the recent economic downturn.
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December pax figures down 10.4%
Naturally a bit of the white stuff didn't help but 489972!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2010 8563921 -5.8% - could have been worse.
90000 less than Luton who were up but faired better I believe with the weather.
I skimmed through the individual routes and at first it was difficult to see where these pax were lost.
BRU up 30+%, FRA up MUC up, CPH up AMS, DUS flat, MXP up STR up HAJ up DXB up ISB, up, ASB up, CO flat, AMS flat, ALC up, LYS flat, HAM flat, MLA up FAO, flat, AGP flat, BTS up most the Polih routes up or flat.
CDG, GVA and Dublin of couse all of which had loads of cancellations. I have yet to check domestics which I am sure will be shocking.
wanna_be_there
As ATNotts has said re the west coast, more a press fixation and I doubt many from around here will believe much will ever happen re LAX/SFO etc. Although I suppose very few 12-15 years ago saw double daily 77W's to Dubai happening either although I admit there are few airlines like them around now with the same expansive intentions as they had in the late 90's and certainly not westbound from Europe.
As for Cyprus and Malta, yes disappointing but combined a total loss of three flights a week in winter and four in summer, which should not hurt too much. Much more concerned with TK pax numbers but they still seem to be in for the long-haul and if this PK/TK tie-up goes ahead all should be well (hopefully not at the expense of PIA though).
Malta now has FR operating (well you can't win them all) and Monarch have increased Larnaca next winter, which totally covers the pax loss to Cyprus at least.
Jamie2k9
I hope FR stick with Malta it should do fine for them with no competition. I see Porto has gone from the drop-down - brutal!
BHX still has some gaps do you know if these are likely to be filled by changing some Dublin flights to BHX based aircraft or increased frequencies on existing routes or even dare I say it new ones?
Pete
2010 8563921 -5.8% - could have been worse.
90000 less than Luton who were up but faired better I believe with the weather.
I skimmed through the individual routes and at first it was difficult to see where these pax were lost.
BRU up 30+%, FRA up MUC up, CPH up AMS, DUS flat, MXP up STR up HAJ up DXB up ISB, up, ASB up, CO flat, AMS flat, ALC up, LYS flat, HAM flat, MLA up FAO, flat, AGP flat, BTS up most the Polih routes up or flat.
CDG, GVA and Dublin of couse all of which had loads of cancellations. I have yet to check domestics which I am sure will be shocking.
wanna_be_there
As ATNotts has said re the west coast, more a press fixation and I doubt many from around here will believe much will ever happen re LAX/SFO etc. Although I suppose very few 12-15 years ago saw double daily 77W's to Dubai happening either although I admit there are few airlines like them around now with the same expansive intentions as they had in the late 90's and certainly not westbound from Europe.
As for Cyprus and Malta, yes disappointing but combined a total loss of three flights a week in winter and four in summer, which should not hurt too much. Much more concerned with TK pax numbers but they still seem to be in for the long-haul and if this PK/TK tie-up goes ahead all should be well (hopefully not at the expense of PIA though).
Malta now has FR operating (well you can't win them all) and Monarch have increased Larnaca next winter, which totally covers the pax loss to Cyprus at least.
Jamie2k9
I hope FR stick with Malta it should do fine for them with no competition. I see Porto has gone from the drop-down - brutal!
BHX still has some gaps do you know if these are likely to be filled by changing some Dublin flights to BHX based aircraft or increased frequencies on existing routes or even dare I say it new ones?
Pete
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I wonder what expansions we could get from PIA.
PIA may upgrade their LBA service to a B777 possibly. At BHX I guess there would be services to KHI, LHE and others. There could be more daily flights. Only two months to wait and see!
PIA may upgrade their LBA service to a B777 possibly. At BHX I guess there would be services to KHI, LHE and others. There could be more daily flights. Only two months to wait and see!
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Major drop in pax.....Not withstanding the snow, as they also had diverts in.
Good job they are not a footy team. The manager would be up for the push now.......Maybe it should be considered!!
Good job they are not a footy team. The manager would be up for the push now.......Maybe it should be considered!!
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Ian Brooks,
Read the other 'BHX Petition' thread, many of us, as young teenagers, reached the stage whereas we were having wet dreams about girls, alas Hassaan appears to be having wet dreams about aircraft types, particularly B777's, in BHX!
Read the other 'BHX Petition' thread, many of us, as young teenagers, reached the stage whereas we were having wet dreams about girls, alas Hassaan appears to be having wet dreams about aircraft types, particularly B777's, in BHX!
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Dear Phileas
See OP's pax analysis.In 15 Years time, like many regional former airfields, with the exeption of MAN - the area will be given over to essential housing for two major cities Brum and COV.
Remember developement is the outcome of economic decisions, there's no right or wrong in this - The facility was not developed during the critical years of the '70's and '80's to accomodate long haul traffic. It's now "Take the Train - Ditch the plane" for Europe. -
Perhaps this will prove best in the long run and yes part of me is still a reggie spotter - but remember those hospitals, roads and schools.
Edit: Referring to one month's pax was unfair, but the underlying trend is downward - EMA has a place as a freight Hub: Again an ecomomic role developed through spending and a favourable location.
CAT III
Remember developement is the outcome of economic decisions, there's no right or wrong in this - The facility was not developed during the critical years of the '70's and '80's to accomodate long haul traffic. It's now "Take the Train - Ditch the plane" for Europe. -
Perhaps this will prove best in the long run and yes part of me is still a reggie spotter - but remember those hospitals, roads and schools.
Edit: Referring to one month's pax was unfair, but the underlying trend is downward - EMA has a place as a freight Hub: Again an ecomomic role developed through spending and a favourable location.
CAT III
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Qatar Airways & BHX Passenger No.'s for 2010
About Qatar Airways operating into BHX this year, anything come of that? I hope they do start operating here soon. Anyone have any news on that?
Also, how many passengers went through BHX in 2010?
Also, how many passengers went through BHX in 2010?
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Malta/2010/QR
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2010 pax try post 3810 - 2010 8563921 -5.8%
QR - Despite several new 77W's delivered during 2010 they are short of aircraft and although they have and will be opening new European routes with a mix of A319/A332's thus far they have also gone for upgrading existing A319 flights to A332's such as BCN & ARN. These A332's have then been replaced by the new 77W's.
Therefore you would think in the short-term it is unlikely but several credible sources claim BHX will be one of next UK services (possible after EDI) but they have not been daft enough to give a time-scale.
The other way to look at it is that BHX is not filling its two Emirates
flights at present so it might not be the right time for another ME carrier.
Although as I have said countless times QR would have the opportunity
to connect any BHX flight with Doha - Amritsar which is now daily. However that would probably see off Mahan Air or Turkmenistan. Probably not both as their should be a market for the price sensitive pax for one of them.
Malta
Now released Mon 0730/1455 and Friday 1605/2330 summer 2011.
A few other time changes but nothing significant with at least one gap each day in the schedule other than Sunday.
Slight correction to the other day, Porto remains in the drop-down
although not on the opening page, so does Dinard (finished 2 years
ago, Perpignan and Prague).
Pete
2010 pax try post 3810 - 2010 8563921 -5.8%
QR - Despite several new 77W's delivered during 2010 they are short of aircraft and although they have and will be opening new European routes with a mix of A319/A332's thus far they have also gone for upgrading existing A319 flights to A332's such as BCN & ARN. These A332's have then been replaced by the new 77W's.
Therefore you would think in the short-term it is unlikely but several credible sources claim BHX will be one of next UK services (possible after EDI) but they have not been daft enough to give a time-scale.
The other way to look at it is that BHX is not filling its two Emirates
flights at present so it might not be the right time for another ME carrier.
Although as I have said countless times QR would have the opportunity
to connect any BHX flight with Doha - Amritsar which is now daily. However that would probably see off Mahan Air or Turkmenistan. Probably not both as their should be a market for the price sensitive pax for one of them.
Malta
Now released Mon 0730/1455 and Friday 1605/2330 summer 2011.
A few other time changes but nothing significant with at least one gap each day in the schedule other than Sunday.
Slight correction to the other day, Porto remains in the drop-down
although not on the opening page, so does Dinard (finished 2 years
ago, Perpignan and Prague).
Pete
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It's not on Wikipedia yet. That makes BHX UK's sixth busiest airport as of 2010? Would have expected it to to better than that.
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Air Transat
Anyone got any info on Air Transat this summer? The Canadian Affair website has Air Transtat operating the Tue flight with an A330 but has a Thomas Cook 757 down for the Sat flight. I thought Thomas Cook had lost the contract and Monarch were taking over - is that still the case? And if so what aircraft are they planning on using? I was under the impression that the 757's were going and the A300's were being kept on a little longer until the 787's arrive. Where are they getting the aircraft from to cover all these new flights?