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Correct me if I'm wrong but Thomson serve Florida quite well all the year round so my guess is that there is no need for a flag carrier on that route.
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Still problems with getting the Amritsar leg sorted I am told. It is now on sale for the 14th April - well the EVN-BHX sector is at least. Another case of don't hold your br......!
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Still problems with getting the Amritsar leg sorted I am told. It is now on sale for the 14th April - well the EVN-BHX sector is at least. Another case of don't hold your br......!
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I am sorry to say but I cannot ever see BHX gaining much traffic from LHR
1. rail link to London actually is working in reverse as people are travelling down as there are better connections and quite aften fares are cheaper
2. Transfer passengers at Heathrow is a very big part of the business onward to the world
3. Many of the big spenders are Central London or south of the Thames
and now also west of London (Oxford, Swindon etc) so do not want
to tavel up to BHX where there are very few F or J class seats available
Manchester is a bit different in that it has a very large business community in banking, Chemicals and now TV/film production and they are demanding more business and first class accomodation as per EK/SQ
Ian I think you are spot on.
Unfortunately its probably all down to economics. The West Mids has suffered the hardest in this recession so far compared to rest of the uk.
I have another theory. BHX is a great REGIONAL airport handling LESS than 10m pax per annum. Break through the 10m+ mark and BHX wiould look more attractive and will pop up on many airlines radar so to speak. The likes of MAN, STN, EDI etc handle more than 10m pax which makes them more attractive to airlines.
If you owned a shop, and the rent was the same, where would you prefer to have it? In a suburban high street or in a major shopping center like The Bull Ring or Trafford center? I know where I would choose. The most footfall wins every time.
BHX will turn the corner and business in the area is showing signs of improvement. hence Lufthansa.
I guess its patience. BHX needs to focus on more european connections first to give them a boost in pax then long haul carriers will come looking.
I am sorry to say but I cannot ever see BHX gaining much traffic from LHR
1. rail link to London actually is working in reverse as people are travelling down as there are better connections and quite aften fares are cheaper
2. Transfer passengers at Heathrow is a very big part of the business onward to the world
3. Many of the big spenders are Central London or south of the Thames
and now also west of London (Oxford, Swindon etc) so do not want
to tavel up to BHX where there are very few F or J class seats available
Manchester is a bit different in that it has a very large business community in banking, Chemicals and now TV/film production and they are demanding more business and first class accomodation as per EK/SQ
Ian I think you are spot on.
Unfortunately its probably all down to economics. The West Mids has suffered the hardest in this recession so far compared to rest of the uk.
I have another theory. BHX is a great REGIONAL airport handling LESS than 10m pax per annum. Break through the 10m+ mark and BHX wiould look more attractive and will pop up on many airlines radar so to speak. The likes of MAN, STN, EDI etc handle more than 10m pax which makes them more attractive to airlines.
If you owned a shop, and the rent was the same, where would you prefer to have it? In a suburban high street or in a major shopping center like The Bull Ring or Trafford center? I know where I would choose. The most footfall wins every time.
BHX will turn the corner and business in the area is showing signs of improvement. hence Lufthansa.
I guess its patience. BHX needs to focus on more european connections first to give them a boost in pax then long haul carriers will come looking.
Crewmeal:
TOM operate to SFB, as another poster has mentioned, weekly, summer only. They use high density 763s which are to all intents and purposes single class.
AA would want to operate minimum daily, summer only, in a three class low density aircraft, which also because of the runway restrictions at BHX would be payload restricted, and thus limit the opportunities for making extra money from belly hold cargo.
Also, SFB is not MIA. SFB serves Disneyworld and the other central Florida attractions. MIA serves a rather seedy (in parts) metropolis, far less attractive to the bucket and spade market from UK.
TOM operate to SFB, as another poster has mentioned, weekly, summer only. They use high density 763s which are to all intents and purposes single class.
AA would want to operate minimum daily, summer only, in a three class low density aircraft, which also because of the runway restrictions at BHX would be payload restricted, and thus limit the opportunities for making extra money from belly hold cargo.
Also, SFB is not MIA. SFB serves Disneyworld and the other central Florida attractions. MIA serves a rather seedy (in parts) metropolis, far less attractive to the bucket and spade market from UK.
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I don't think it will be too long (next couple of years?) before LTN is back at 10 million and EDI gets there too. As for BHX well we got close once (2007 was it?) but I fear it will be a long time till BHX gets even close again and will have to sit pretty further down the UK airport rankings.
Tunisair and Biman have new routes into MAN according to that thread. Something to talk about in lieu of any exciting new routes or indeed news at BHX
Tunisair and Biman have new routes into MAN according to that thread. Something to talk about in lieu of any exciting new routes or indeed news at BHX
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You do seriously have to wonder what the routes team at BHX is up to these days, as its been a fair old while since a wholesale new route/airline was announced.
MAN seems to have a new routes/frequencies each week so far this year (was easyjet to bilbao last week, Tunisair this week), and Andrew Harrison has stated in a memo that the routes team is out in asia canvasing airlines now, and that follow up/confirmation meetings have been aranged in London.
Maybe BHX is saving their efforts to attract as many Olympic charters for next year as possible?
MAN seems to have a new routes/frequencies each week so far this year (was easyjet to bilbao last week, Tunisair this week), and Andrew Harrison has stated in a memo that the routes team is out in asia canvasing airlines now, and that follow up/confirmation meetings have been aranged in London.
Maybe BHX is saving their efforts to attract as many Olympic charters for next year as possible?
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United: Well, its CO for now but not much longer, rep said reviews of all regional UK flights being undertaken but BHX service is (quote) 'safe' and aircraft upgrade to 763 being 'considered'
Hmm, I suppose if the route is 'safe', thats why the route is going down to 5 weekly from November 2011?
Whilst the UK in general has cuts (MAN/EDI down to 1 daily), is it time to be worried for BHX?
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Hmm, I suppose if the route is 'safe', thats why the route is going down to 5 weekly from November 2011?
Whilst the UK in general has cuts (MAN/EDI down to 1 daily), is it time to be worried for BHX?
Whilst the UK in general has cuts (MAN/EDI down to 1 daily), is it time to be worried for BHX?
Ok whenever an airline does reduce frequency on a route it's not the best news but they know what they are doing, and if it helps them make better money from yields or more money by sending the aircraft elsewhere then thats what they will do.
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Can you state the days it has been chopped? I have found Wednesday from
the end of September but having checked a couple of booking engines I can't find the other day except the usual Thanksgiving period.
Glasgow down to six weekly from early October and Manchester daily from
the second week in September by the look of it.
If BHX is five weekly it is not too bad as it wasn't much better this winter
with cancellations. Wednesday in winter has not operated for two years,
usually re-starting the first week in March.
Pete
Can you state the days it has been chopped? I have found Wednesday from
the end of September but having checked a couple of booking engines I can't find the other day except the usual Thanksgiving period.
Glasgow down to six weekly from early October and Manchester daily from
the second week in September by the look of it.
If BHX is five weekly it is not too bad as it wasn't much better this winter
with cancellations. Wednesday in winter has not operated for two years,
usually re-starting the first week in March.
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Yeah fair point Cazza.
Olton, I just saw a GDS ref on a.net that showed 2 different decreases, so presumed that a second day is being cut somewhere along the line.
See below:
CO EWR-BHX OCT 1.0>0.9 (presume this is 6 weekly), then NOV 1.0>0.8 (presumably this is down to 5 weekly)
Olton, I just saw a GDS ref on a.net that showed 2 different decreases, so presumed that a second day is being cut somewhere along the line.
See below:
CO EWR-BHX OCT 1.0>0.9 (presume this is 6 weekly), then NOV 1.0>0.8 (presumably this is down to 5 weekly)
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Cheers, probably hasn't filtered through to the systems I am looking at.
Manchester 10 weekly not daily from mid September is that right?
5 weekly in winter at BHX would be not a surprise.
Pete
Cheers, probably hasn't filtered through to the systems I am looking at.
Manchester 10 weekly not daily from mid September is that right?
5 weekly in winter at BHX would be not a surprise.
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Cheers, probably hasn't filtered through to the systems I am looking at
MAN seems to gradualy drop down to daily from Sep-Nov, same as DUB.
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Maybe its dropping to 5 weekly but with a 763? 
With the Olympics next year wasnt it confirmed that the USA and China teams are basing themselves in Brum? I heard they were 18 months ago but quiet since then. What extra traffic is expected or planned if any for the event?
I know the Jamaican team have confirmed their base in Brum.
With LHR at almost full capacity, airlines laying on extra flights will be looking elsewhere to fly punters in. I guess the South East could absorb all these but at what charge? This could be a good advertising opportunity for BHX if they can get some of this adhoc traffic from London.
For once, BHXs close proximity to London could be an advantage and 120miles nearer to London than MAN.
With the Olympics next year wasnt it confirmed that the USA and China teams are basing themselves in Brum? I heard they were 18 months ago but quiet since then. What extra traffic is expected or planned if any for the event?
I know the Jamaican team have confirmed their base in Brum.
With LHR at almost full capacity, airlines laying on extra flights will be looking elsewhere to fly punters in. I guess the South East could absorb all these but at what charge? This could be a good advertising opportunity for BHX if they can get some of this adhoc traffic from London.
For once, BHXs close proximity to London could be an advantage and 120miles nearer to London than MAN.
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"Not necessarily. Just because a frequency of a route is reduced doesn't mean its getting the chop or not ''safe''. If that's the case then all airports should be worried in the winter... If you compare this cut in frequency to the above airports you mentioned im sure you will agree that BHX has been less effected than those in terms of total number of flights cut!
Ok whenever an airline does reduce frequency on a route it's not the best news but they know what they are doing, and if it helps them make better money from yields or more money by sending the aircraft elsewhere then thats what they will do."
Unfortunately there is a bit of a president reduced service leads to a pull out..BAs BHX-JFK went from daily then downwards then was pulled.
You would think that BHX would have enough to fill 5 weekly 757s but entirely depends if United are interested in a small regional like BHX...A 763 is way to many business class seats for the route.
You would expect UA to go to a 763 out of MAN when its reduced to just daily.
Ok whenever an airline does reduce frequency on a route it's not the best news but they know what they are doing, and if it helps them make better money from yields or more money by sending the aircraft elsewhere then thats what they will do."
Unfortunately there is a bit of a president reduced service leads to a pull out..BAs BHX-JFK went from daily then downwards then was pulled.
You would think that BHX would have enough to fill 5 weekly 757s but entirely depends if United are interested in a small regional like BHX...A 763 is way to many business class seats for the route.
You would expect UA to go to a 763 out of MAN when its reduced to just daily.